The Official 2005 NFL Draft Thread

[Crisis]

I hope the Phins pick Rodgers. He has bust written all over him.

[BillsRockSOMUCH]

Another Tedford QB....If the Fins take him...:lolpoint: Fins

PS- Someone should sticky this.

[The King]

I think Campbell will be the best QB in this draft years to come. He is a beast.

[Crisis]

Three best QBs in draft IMO:

1. Smith
2. Campbell
3. McPherson

It's also a very weak class though.

[BillsRockSOMUCH]

Three best QBs in draft IMO:

1. Smith
2. Campbell
3. McPherson

It's also a very weak class though.
I like McPherson, interesting prospect.

I also heard some rumors that the Fins may take Braylon at 2.

[DraftBoy]

I think McPherson may be the best QB in the draft.

[Crisis]

Fins will get a great player if they get Edwards, but it'll be like the Cards getting Boldin. They'll still suck with a great receiver.

[The King]

Three best QBs in draft IMO:

1. Smith
2. Campbell
3. McPherson

It's also a very weak class though.

Very true. I do think you'll see Campbell go much earlier than predicted. He was an early second prediction I bet hes gone by 23. Dont be suprised to see Rogers drop quite a bit.

[DraftBoy]

Rodgers gets past the top 7 picks he may fall to near pick 20. Also no need to sticky this thread the simple amount of replies that will happen nearly every minute will be more than enough to keep it at the top of the board all day.

[RetroRaiders81]

I would be surprised if the Dolphins don't pick Edwards.

[The King]

Its very wierd without the damn avatars!!!!

[The King]

Do the fins have anyone to replace Surtain?

[DraftBoy]

Not at this moment but they got alot a good shot at getting a decent CB in rd 2 and they got Will Poole from last year but he's not of Surtain quality

[DraftBoy]

Sal Palontonia said that 49ers are listening to offer right now for the #1 overall from several teams and if they dont get a good offer they will take Alex Smith and then when Miami is on the clock they will entertain offers to trade Alex Smith away. Thats big news, some teams he mentioned; Dallas, Washington, Minnesotta, Miami, Tampa Bay, and San Diego....A thought crossed my mind with this, SD could easily get a deal done if they so choose to move Rivers to SF and their first for #1 overall, but its just a thought.

[The King]

You think they would get Edwards over one of the top tiered CB's in the draft?

They have Booker Chambers Thompson and Gilmore.

[The King]

Sal Palontonia said that 49ers are listening to offer right now for the #1 overall from several teams and if they dont get a good offer they will take Alex Smith and then when Miami is on the clock they will entertain offers to trade Alex Smith away. Thats big news, some teams he mentioned; Dallas, Washington, Minnesotta, Miami, Tampa Bay, and San Diego....A thought crossed my mind with this, SD could easily get a deal done if they so choose to move Rivers to SF and their first for #1 overall, but its just a thought.


A good move for SD I think. I am suprised to see dallas involved with talks.

[DraftBoy]

You think they would get Edwards over one of the top tiered CB's in the draft?

They have Booker Chambers Thompson and Gilmore.


Of those WR's only one is legit in Chambers the rest of avg and we both know that. Plus if they wanna take Antrell Rolle here Id be more than happy. I think they wanna deal down with Tampa and take a CB there.

[DraftBoy]

A good move for SD I think. I am suprised to see dallas involved with talks.


Dallas has 2 1sts in the top 20 and they need a QB or WR bad.

[DraftBoy]

We got 40 mins to kill, whats everybody eating today during the draft. I gotta order my pizza in 20 mins so I can go pick it up and be back right at draft time. I got that and my fridge full of beer.

[Slim]

Dallas has 2 1sts in the top 20 and they need a QB or WR bad.


they dont need a QB they have alot banked on Drew Henson

[DraftBoy]

they dont need a QB they have alot banked on Drew Henson


The ownership does Parcells doesnt have jack banked in the kid, a big reason why they brought in Blowsoe this offseason. Henson wont be ready for atleast another 2 seasons and I dont think Billy Boy is gonna wanna wait that long.

[The King]

they dont need a QB they have alot banked on Drew Henson

But no confidence.

[DraftBoy]

But no confidence.


Exactly! :goodpost:

Geez im pumped for today

[The King]

I just dont see Edwards or Smith being a Parcels kind of player. Dallas can get a good reciever at their spot. LB should be their biggest concern with Safety second. I will follow Dallas pretty closely this season, I hope to see them do some good drafting today.

[DraftBoy]

Well I dont either to be honest but Jerry Jones runs that team and he doesnt give two craps about Parcells imo

[Crisis]

Dolphins on crack:
http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=75935&page=1&pp=15

[DraftBoy]

Dolphins on crack:
http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=75935&page=1&pp=15


That dude needs to Puff Puff Pass! :smoke: :homer:

[The King]

I bet SF eats up all their clock time.

[The King]

For those of you stuck at work like me ESPN has a draftcaster.
Seeems like the next best thing.

[DraftBoy]

Im also gonna be trying to give my input on every pick as its made but I may get caught up with company I have over but Im gonna try my best.

[DraftBoy]

I bet SF eats up all their clock time.


Oh yea no doubt

[The King]

How do you feel about

Oshiomogho Atogwe S Stanford.

This guy is tough, a great leader who is all business on the field. He is projected as a top 5 safety.

Do you think he is a first year starter? A LBer prospect? Where do you see him landing?

[Sportsuser101]

How do you feel about

Oshiomogho Atogwe S Stanford.

This guy is tough, a great leader who is all business on the field. He is projected as a top 5 safety.

Do you think he is a first year starter? A LBer prospect? Where do you see him landing?
I like Atogwe. Brought up a good point about a possible LB. I'm guessing you mean inside linebacker because of his size. He doesn't have the hands you look for at safety and is a superb tackler. Good job with that. Never really thought of him as a LBer. Wonder if other teams thought about him at LBer.

[Typ0]

SF is on the clock!

[Sportsuser101]

Looks like Henry is going to be an Eagle for a 3rd round pick. AZ has apparently dropped out.

[Sportsuser101]

lol Torry Holt thinks he was drafted in 1998.

[The King]

Looks like Henry is going to be an Eagle for a 3rd round pick. AZ has apparently dropped out.


Where did you hear this?

[That Guy]

It's on ESPN.com's Draftcast...

[Sportsuser101]

Where did you hear this?
Gary Horton from ESPN draft cast.

[That Guy]

The guy there actually said it's guaranteed that Henry WILL be an Eagle at the end of the day.

[The King]

ahh yes

[That Guy]

So much for getting accurate value for Henry....

[The King]

Good to see the draft starting on time.

[pyrrhonist]

Today, all that matters to me (Even ahead of who the Bills take) is where this man goes:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/football/ncaa/specials/bowls/2004/01/01/rose.michigan/p1_braylonrose2_all.jpg

Go Wolverines! :bf1:


Ok, I'm also concerned about where Travis is going. I feel he deserves to be traded today, and not left hanging.

Come on, 49ers!

[SABURZFAN]

Good to see the draft starting on time.



yeah...i could have slept another 15-20 minutes. :mad:

[That Guy]

Alex Smith it is, I think it's the best choice they could've made.

[The King]

Alex Smith to SanFran.

[pyrrhonist]

What a shocker! Alex Smith goes #1.

He sure doesn't seem to be worthy of a #1 overall.

[Dozerdog]

Boy, that pick came out of nowhere!!!

[The King]

So now MIA has a tough decision. Take the best available... position of need... or trade down.

[That Guy]

I think this is a trade down here...

[pyrrhonist]

Trade down, Miami! Trade with--Minnesota!

To paraphrase Princess Leia:

"Help me, Mike Tice...you're Braylon's only hope" :peace:

[The King]

If there is a trade you gotta assume its for Edwards. I think the phins have to take Brown though. Its not worth the sacrifice.

[DraftBoy]

San Francisco takes the safe pick here and dont look for them to trade him anywhere from here. This kid will be good in a year or 2 do not expect him to come in next season and pull a Big Ben. The 49ers have way too many holes and they need to work around him. Not to mention he was shotgun spread'em offense and he's gonna have to learn to take more snaps under center, but its a good pick.

My pick: WR Braylon Edwards

[The King]

I would hate to see Edwards in our division that makes me very nervous. I dont know if Mcgee can stay with him.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

yeah...i could have slept another 15-20 minutes. :mad:
I did!

H. Goldberg just sounded like he was telling us that the Fish are going to take B.Edwards. I'd be happier if they took a RB.

[The Spaz]

They go to commercial with 2 minutes left!?:down:

[The King]

Yeah if the fins cant deal they are going to take the best available. Edwards.

[DraftBoy]

Dolphins will take Braylon Edwards

[The Spaz]

I saw that coming.

[Mad Bomber]

Ronnie Brown goes to the fish

[The King]

Few!!!

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Ronnie Brown to Miami. Goldberg had me worried, but I really thought that Saban couldn't afford to pass on the RB. He may like to throw the ball, but he knows that in the NFL you have to run in order to be able to throw.

[The King]

Gotta assume Edwards is off the board now. If I am CLE I will try to trade out of my second round pick and get Campbell later in the first.

[DraftBoy]

This was the greatest pick for the phins if your a Bills fan not only do the Maimi fans not get what they wanted in a trade down but they dont get a big play QB or WR they need. Now the posistives Ronnie Brown is the most completel back in the draft. He will be the best back in the draft. Brown can run with power, with speed (4.3) and can catch out of the backfield. Questions will be raised about whether or not he can handle the 30-35 carries a game Miami will put on him but it should be a good pick.

MY PICK: WR Braylon Edwards

[The King]

Terrence McGee can change his underwear now.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Gotta assume Edwards is off the board now. If I am CLE I will try to trade out of my second round pick and get Campbell later in the first.
I would try to do that too if I were CLEV. They have so many needs---especially on defense--that the more picks they can get the better. I wonder if WASH would be willing to trade up to get the WR they want here.

[DraftBoy]

Cleveland and SF dicussing a deal to send Smith to Cleveland and SF takes Rodgers at #3.

[The Spaz]

Cleveland and SF dicussing a deal to send Smith to Cleveland and SF takes Rodgers at #3.

They also said that would have been the deal if Edwards went #2.

[The King]

TD is looking like a genuis right now. The 3 running backs may be off the board by AZ pick. They may have to deal with us.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Terrence McGee can change his underwear now.:roflmao:

R.Brown is good, as DraftBoy pointed out, but Edwards and Chambers would have posed some really tough match-up problems.

[The King]

:rotflmao:

R.Brown is good, as DraftBoy pointed out, but Edwards and Chambers would have posed some really tough match-up problems.


I wouldve hated to see that twice a year.

[The King]

All along I have thought CLE had the most interesting pick in this draft. If CLE trades for Smith they are dumbasses.

[superbills]

But it remains to be seen who will throw to these guys. Jay Feel-me can't get it done and a rookie will get mauled behind that aweful o-line. They've still got huge problems.

[superbills]

Edwards. Good pick

[LifetimeBillsFan]

CLEV is really in a tough spot: there is no truly dominant offensive or defensive lineman in this draft and that's what they need most. Also, they have gotten rid of or lost every one of their starting DBs from last season.


Oh, well, they take Braylon Edwards.


At the very least they get themselves a pretty good WR for the future.

[The King]

Cleveland: Braylon Edwards


look for a trade.. I dont see them keeping him, too many defensive holes.

[superbills]

They still need a QB - meaning they have questions marks all over that position. Dilfer, McCown, Harris, mot sure nay of these guys can get it done.

[The Spaz]

Cleveland: Braylon Edwards


look for a trade.. I dont see them keeping him, too many defensive holes.

They will keep him their GM had him #1 player in the draft. Thye also don't have any receivers.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Cleveland: Braylon Edwards


look for a trade.. I dont see them keeping him, too many defensive holes.
And NO offensive line! Having K.Winslow II and B.Edwards to go along with R.Droughns is fine, but you need to protect your QB and open some holes to get use out of them.... Last year the Browns couldn't keep their QBs or RBs healthy because their offensive line was so horrible.

A trade wouldn't surprise me, but it's even harder to make a trade of a draft pick after the draft than it is before.

[DraftBoy]

Braylon Edwards was the top player on my board. Is one of the most acrobatic pass catchers in the NCAA. Will be an immediate impact player for Romeo Crennel. They needed a QB but I see them taking a QB in round 3 and maybe a RB in round 2 or 4. I would be a huge fan of Cleveland if they took QB Adrian McPherson and RB Ryan Moats or JJ Arington.

MY PICK: WR Braylon Edwards (1 for 3)

[SABURZFAN]

Cleveland: Braylon Edwards


look for a trade.. I dont see them keeping him, too many defensive holes.



i don't think so.they have a WR now who is battle-tested for the winters in cleveland.they need to get a QB who can get it to him.

[ryjam282]

they got some OL in FA this year

[Voltron]

How many people did Edwards bring with him? :eek:

[Voltron]

Oh yeah and :wave:


Afternoon all :D

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Da Bears can't be happy that Edwards is off the board--they need a WR to go with M.Muhammad--but I don't know if they will go with M.Williams here.

With A.Thomas probably gone as a FA and T.Jones having lost time to a turf toe--which can become an increasingly recurring injury--they might go with a RB here, but they want their RBs to be pass-catchers as well as runners. C.Williams improved a lot last year as a pass receiver, but isn't that great in that department. I don't know how good a receiver C.Benson is.

What they could really use is a strong-armed QB. R.Grossman can't seem to stay healthy and C.Krenzel showed last year that he isn't the answer. But, there isn't a strong-armed QB in this draft that you'd take this early.

[ryjam282]

We absolutely need them to take a RB here....

[ryjam282]

yes!!!

[The Spaz]

Cards are ****ed the Bucs love Cadillac Williams!!!!!! TD **** them in the ass now!!!!:snicker:

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Oh, yeah!!! CHI takes C.Benson! Good pick for them and for us! D.Green now has a choice: take a chance that JJArrington last until their pick in Round 2 or trade that pick for T.Henry.

[DraftBoy]

Benson to chicago continues to mark the run of safe picks by the top teams. Possible injury problems having a ton of carries in college. I dont like the kid at all personally. He's small at 5'10 and not a speed back (4.55). But he should be a better pick than Curtis Ennis. One thing that rubbed me the wrong way was that Cedric Benson shaved his dreads to try and impress NFL scouts and thats not what I would want to see in a prospect.

MY PICK: RB Cedric Benson (2 of 4)*


*Basically as Paul T walks up to the podium I say out loud who I think the pick will be and so far Ive picked only 2 right. I said Edwards for the 1st three till I hit it.

[ryjam282]

I think TD is in the drivers seat right now....Let's just hope that TB takes Cadillac...then we are gold.

[DraftBoy]

Oh, yeah!!! CHI takes C.Benson! Good pick for them and for us! D.Green now has a choice: take a chance that JJArrington last until their pick in Round 2 or trade that pick for T.Henry.


They could still get Cadillac no guarantees TB takes him.

[The Spaz]

I'm 4 for 4 BTW.:beers:

[The Spaz]

Bucs take Cadillac the Titans take Mike Williams also this is based on no trades.

[ryjam282]

I hope you are 5 for 5 or 6 for 6 at least...We need Cadillac to go here. Or else it's over....


He was just on the phone so......very McGahee like

[Dozerdog]

Cedric Benson looked like he was upset on that ESPN interview, didn't he?

[That Guy]

Cedric sure was strange in his interview. It seemed like one of those interviews that FOX shows during their pre-game show about somebody being exploited, or unhappy with their contract or something.

[ryjam282]

Poor guy was just so overwhelmed....I think that is why. He wasn't that upset, just the realization ig of a dream....It is a big thing, I was the same way when I went to the Angels....Not that high of course...But, it is a big overwhelming thing.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

[QUOTE=DraftBoy]Possible injury problems having a ton of carries in college. I dont like the kid at all personally. He's small at 5'10 and not a speed back (4.55). But he should be a better pick than Curtis Ennis. One thing that rubbed me the wrong way was that Cedric Benson shaved his dreads to try and impress NFL scouts and thats not what I would want to see in a prospect. [QUOTE]

I agree. I didn't like the way that he just whined about how the coaches, etc. tried to humiliate him when they interviewed him. Doesn't sound like the kind of guy who has the kind of attitude that will be receptive to the way that a lot of coaches teach.

I wasn't a fan of his when he was at Texas and I think that he might not be the kind of threat that a team picking this high would hope to be getting at this spot in the 1st Round.

[jbisset]

anyone heard any rumors regarding TH?

[superbills]

It's the Caddy!

[ryjam282]

It's definitely him....He is on the phone now.

[ryjam282]

Denny Green just crapped his lunch...I love it....

Once again, TD is the MAN!!!!!

[The Spaz]

Bam yes the cards are officially ****ed in the :moon::snicker:

[DraftBoy]

Cedric Benson looked like he was upset on that ESPN interview, didn't he?


My problem was with his comment about who he was and he said he didnt know

[That Guy]

anyone heard any rumors regarding TH?
Right now it's still TH to Philly for a 3rd rounder..

[ryjam282]

Nothing has been signed I am sure, it could all change now....

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Alright! C.Williams to TB! Now, let's see what D.Green wants to do..... :roflmao:

[That Guy]

Wow it just now hit me that all 3 RBs are gone now...

[LifetimeBillsFan]

My problem was with his comment about who he was and he said he didnt know
Yeah. That was very strange. As a retired therapist, all I can say is that that sends up a lot of "red-flags" for me--definitely not the kind of thing you would want to hear from a kid in his position at this point in time.

[DraftBoy]

RB Cadillac Williams is the #2 RB in this draft he is a dynamic player and should be an impact player for the Bucs immediately. I thought they could of used a QB or WR more here but this was the safe pick which seems to be the theme early on.

MY PICK: RB Cadillac Williams (3 of 5)

[The Spaz]

5 for 5 hopefully 6 for 6 with Titans taking WR Mike Williams.:up:

[That Guy]

5 for 5 hopefully 6 for 6 with Titans taking WR Mike Williams.:up:
Yeah that's where I am right now..

[That Guy]

Obviously, Auburn is a little better than Texas at teaching their guys how to do a reassuring interview..

[fanman]

Aaron Rodgers is really falling - who knows how far he could go

No defenders taken yet - everyone thinks the titans are going defense, because they lost their #1 CB. They also lost their #1 WR and could surprise and take MW

[The Spaz]

Aaron Rodgers is really falling - who knows how far he could go

No defenders taken yet - everyone thinks the titans are going defense, because they lost their #1 CB. They also lost their #1 WR and could surprise and take MW


All I have to say is Norm Chow USC Mike Williams USC.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

The Titans desperately need a CB, though. I think the go with A. Rolle.


M.Williams wouldn't be a bad pick for them, but he's a lot like D.Bennett and isn't the speed-receiver that they really need with T.Calico having injury problems. A.Rolle is a guy who could step into the starting lineup on their D this season.

[That Guy]

Pacman Jones to TENN

[ArcticWildMan]

Jones was a no brainer for the Titans.


Minny is dancing in the streets right now. Mike Williams just was gift wrapped for them.

[The Spaz]

Damn I'm not perfect anymore. On a side not does he not look like rapper Little John :rofl::lol:

[That Guy]

Mike Williams to Minnesota?

[ryjam282]

Wow, pac man, surprising...I thought that Antrelle would go first.

[That Guy]

Damn I'm not perfect anymore. On a side not does he not look like rapper Little John :rofl::lol:
I was just thinking that..

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Well, I was right about it being a CB... I just had the wrong one. It's Pac=Man Jones.


Good pick for them. He's a little small, but very good. Kiper made a good point about his return skills--I forgot that D.Mason did some returning for Tenn. A.Jones is a good fit at a need position for them.

[ryjam282]

I think Mike Williams is a lock to Minny...

[That Guy]

On another side note... Lil Jon in high school:

http://www.russellrush.com/lil-john_high-school.jpg

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Mike Williams to Minnesota?
I'd be shocked if they didn't take him. He's not as fast as R.Moss, but has the height and play-making ability to be a pretty good replacement for him--especially since he has a whole lot better personality and character.

[The Spaz]

I think Mike Williams is a lock to Minny...

Yeah should be Willaims but it could also be Williamson.

[The Spaz]

On another side note... Lil Jon in high school:

http://www.russellrush.com/lil-john_high-school.jpg

OMFG look at his lips he has DSL's and he's a man.:rofl::lol:

[Crisis]

Cadillac is as dumb as a box of rocks.

Him on his bet with Ronnie Brown - "He may have won the war but the battle isn't over."

[DraftBoy]

CB Pacman Jones is an all around player. He can tackle, make plays, run with any WR, and he makes up for his size with his vertical leap. He can return punts, return kicks, and play gunner if needed. He has a checkerd past and it could be reason to worry but he has no major problems on his record.

My Pick: CB Antrell Rolle (3 of 6)

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Cadillac is as dumb as a box of rocks.

Him on his bet with Ronnie Brown - "He may have won the war but the battle isn't over."
Doh! :roflmao:

[That Guy]

Mel Kiper Cutting Off Torry Holt As He's About To Talk Count: 3

[That Guy]

Vikings fans don't look happy at all lol

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Minny goes for speed with T.Williamson. Man, did his stock rise since the end of the season! But, that's what his kind of speed will do for you.

[Crisis]

Mike Williams falling. IMO he'll be the best receiver out of the three.

[lordofgun]

Arizona on the clock.

I think they'll trade down. They must be getting tons of calls about Mike Williams.

[Dozerdog]

You can't coach speed!

[ryjam282]

Mike Williams is going to be a steal at the 10th pick to Washington....or even Dallas. I don't think that Arizona takes him, they will take Rolle......Just who then wanted.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Arizona on the clock.

I think they'll trade down. They must be getting tons of calls about Mike Williams.
Maybe. Right now they have a chance to get the CB that they really want and need in A.Rolle, so they just might keep this pick.

[That Guy]

Street & Smith's draft list (which was published way long ago) had Williamson as the 5th-best wide receiver and as the 30th overall pick.

[Crisis]

Arizona wouldn't take Williams, they already have 3 young good receivers in Boldin, Fitzgerald, and Johnson

[DraftBoy]

Wow! Troy Williamson who I think was the top WR in the draft potentially goes about 7 pick earlier than I had him marked. Williamson can do it all! Hehas 4.3 speed, runs good routes already, and has good leaping ability. I think he'll come in and be an impact player. He is a little smaller than you want at 6'1 but I think he'll be fine. Minnesotta just shocked us all though not that we should of expected it since they usaully manage to do something.

My Pic: WR Mike Williams (3 of 7)

[DraftBoy]

Arizona wouldn't take Williams, they already have 3 young good receivers in Boldin, Fitzgerald, and Johnson


Boldin has been hurt and Johnson has yet to step up

[ryjam282]

Heck, I wouldn't put this past TD...He trades Henry and our 2nd for Arizona's first and he takes Mike Williams....HMMMM!!!

[Crisis]

I'd cream myself it that happened. I won't hold my breath though.

[That Guy]

Heck, I wouldn't put this past TD...He trades Henry and our 2nd for Arizona's first and he takes Mike Williams....HMMMM!!!
While I never know what to expect from TD.... I would still doubt that one lol..

[Philagape]

Mel Kiper Cutting Off Torry Holt As He's About To Talk Count: 3

Torry got his revenge ... he was talking up Williamson while Kiper was snottily dismissing him

[ryjam282]

I doubt it would happen but, who knows...

[Crisis]

Kiper must be pissed that his #1 overall player might not make it out of the top 10!

[gonzo1105]

Torry Holt is a horrible pick for the table. So far he has called Dante Culpeper Dante Pepper, Troy Williamson Troy Williams, and just recently he was talking about Freddie Jones catching passes for the Cards when he isn't even with them anymore.

[Dozerdog]

It's going to be Rolle, Carlos Rogers, or Aaron Rogers here with the Card's pick

[That Guy]

Kiper must be pissed that his #1 overall player might not make it out of the top 10!
I can't wait 'til he gets picked so he can just shut up about him..

[ParanoidAndroid]

So far, Tory Holt has it all over Kiper. What a dufus.

[The Spaz]

Kiper must be pissed that his #1 overall player might not make it out of the top 10!

He cares but not that much he's getting :dollar:

[feelthepain]

Cards will take ROLLE!

[Crisis]

I think the Cards are eyeing Rolle or Rodgers. They need a QB badly down there.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Torry got his revenge ... he was talking up Williamson while Kiper was snottily dismissing him
Kiper snottily dismisses anyone who doesn't agree with him. That's why I don't particularly like him. He knows a lot about the players in the draft, but he thinks that his opinion is the only one that counts.

[That Guy]

Rolle it is

[ryjam282]

The U baby.....Another first rounder....

[LifetimeBillsFan]

I thought that the Cards would go with A.Rolle and they did. They really needed a CB desperately and now they have a guy who should be a good one.

[feelthepain]

Cards are getting better, I'm glad for Green...good coach,class act.

[fanman]

Mike and Mike are are talking about arizona's desperate need for a RB and how they can wait untill the third round to trade for TH.

This is right where TD wants them. Everyone's been talking about how this is a poker game. Well its time for TD to bluff. Trade TH for nothing less than a 2nd. Hopefully AZ bites and doesn't call the bluff

I got my hopes up that we'd get a second for him and I hope this talk about a third is BS

[Philagape]

Torry's got a nice voice .... he just needs experience. He's got a future after he retires

[That Guy]

I think Torry is just nervous... a lot of players are like that when given analysis roles during their careers..

[Dozerdog]

Skins will go for Mike Williams

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Torry Holt is a horrible pick for the table. So far he has called Dante Culpeper Dante Pepper, Troy Williamson Troy Williams, and just recently he was talking about Freddie Jones catching passes for the Cards when he isn't even with them anymore.
He really is bad. He knows what he wants to say, but he just can't get it out of his mouth correctly--and that's bad when you are supposed to be a commentator. Holt obviously knows what he's talking about, but I think that he is just too nervous and having a hard time figuring out how to get a word in edge-wise with Kiper trying to dominate the discussion.

[That Guy]

I know Washington was thinking about Jason Campbell later in the draft... anyone think Aaron Rodgers here?

[DraftBoy]

I like Torry Holt alot up there he seems to know alot about which he is talking aside from names but his analysis has been spot on.

[feelthepain]

Is Boomer on drugs???He's said some dumb stuff today he just mentioned A.Rgers as an option for the Chargers?!?!?!?! Wake up BOOM!!

[DraftBoy]

Come on TD move Nate here for the #9!!

[ArcticWildMan]

Come on TD move Nate here for the #9!!


Why? There isn't anybody worth trading for (need wise) that is worth a #9 pick

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Skins will go for Mike Williams
I agree. They need a WR bad at this stage and I think that they are delighted that he is still there for them. They could also use a CB and C.Rogers is going to be a good one--I like him a lot--but I think the chance to get a WR of M.Williams' caliber is too much to pass up here.

Besides which, Lil' Danny Snyder wants to acquire players that he can make a splash with and a WR is a "sexier" sell than a CB.

[That Guy]

Randy Mueller says Carlos Rogers is probably gonna be the pick for Washington

[fanman]

I know Washington was thinking about Jason Campbell later in the draft... anyone think Aaron Rodgers here? Possible - If they don't take A. Rodgers here, he won't make it past GB at 24

[DraftBoy]

Why? There isn't anybody worth trading for (need wise) that is worth a #9 pick

Carlos Rogers would be an amazing pick here, he is younger and more consistent

[DraftBoy]

Randy Mueller says Carlos Rogers is probably gonna be the pick for Washington

ESPN Draft Cast?

[The Spaz]

OMFG Sean Taylor hasn't been with the Redskins off season program, WTF is his problem. He must think he is too good for his teammates.

[ArcticWildMan]

Then why would the Skins trade? They could take him themselves.

[That Guy]

ESPN Draft Cast?
Yes... this wasn't a guarantee though.. just a 'probably'.. He was positive about Antrel Rolle and Pacman..

[DraftBoy]

He wants a new contract apparently and Santana Moss has been MIA too

[Crisis]

They prolly got tired of man boobs.

[DraftBoy]

Yes... this wasn't a guarantee though.. just a 'probably'.. He was positive about Antrel Rolle and Pacman..

I'm on it too Ive been trying to post a question to confirm or deny the Clements to WAS rumor but apparently they dont like my questions

[ryjam282]

Come on TD move Nate here for the #9!!


Never gonna happen.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Carlos Rogers would be an amazing pick here, he is younger and more consistent
I think he is going to become a top CB in the NFL in a couple of years. I can't remember seeing him have a bad game in college.

[The Spaz]

He wants a new contract apparently and Santana Moss has been MIA too


One season after his rookie year and wants a new contract?:rofl::lol:

[That Guy]

I'm on it too Ive been trying to post a question to confirm or deny the Clements to WAS rumor but apparently they dont like my questions
Yeah, none of my three questions have gotten through yet.... they were good questions too. I swear.

[Crisis]

One season after his rookie year and wants a new contract?:rofl::lol:

I'd wanna get paid more if I had to go to work everyday and see Gregg Williams.

[ArcticWildMan]

Skins take Rogers. Now the Clements trade rumors can end.

[McGaheehee]

...and Aaron Rodgers continues to free fall.

What are the chances of the Bills moving up?

Btw, hey all!

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Well, ESPN DraftCast had it right: Carlos Rogers to WASH.


They got themselves a good replacement for F.Smoot. He has the potential to be a shutdown CB.

[Crisis]

Anyone think Detroit might jump on Rodgers since Harrington has been pretty bad?

[DraftBoy]

Skins take Rogers. Now the Clements trade rumors can end.


Skins still got another 1st, and ARZ needs a CB too still the rumors never end

[That Guy]

"Antonio Winfield"

[DraftBoy]

Anyone think Detroit might jump on Rodgers since Harrington has been pretty bad?

Nope they will go OLB with Johnson, I see Mike Williams falling to SD as a steal.

[Philagape]

EA Sports has a picture of Ronnie Brown stiff-arming Spikes to the ground :mad:

link (http://www.easports.com/games/madden2006/draft/home.jsp)

[That Guy]

Yeah, I'd say Derrick Johnson is the easy pick here..

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Anyone think Detroit might jump on Rodgers since Harrington has been pretty bad?
I don't think that they want to completely give up on Harrington yet--they have a lot invested in him.

They need defense and might consider M.Williams to replace C.Rogers, depending on Rogers' health.


Lions go with M.Williams!!!

[McGaheehee]

Anyone think Detroit might jump on Rodgers since Harrington has been pretty bad?
You read my mind.. i think they will... THEY PICK MIKE WILLIAMS!!!

[ryjam282]

WOW, didn't see that one coming...Very strange.

[ArcticWildMan]

Skins still got another 1st, and ARZ needs a CB too still the rumors never end

And we trade him for who? Now you're just giving away a pro-bowl CB for a draft pick.

[That Guy]

Wow. Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, Mike Williams.


Joey Harrington has no excuses.

[The Spaz]

Wow holy **** wtf are the Lions doing?

[ArcticWildMan]

WOW!!! Harrington better have a pro-bowl year now or he's going to be lynched!!!

[McGaheehee]

Can anyone else say "All Pass Offense" Detroit? Best WR core in the NFL. Williams, Williams, Rodgers and Az Ahkim. Just sick.

[Sportsuser101]

Joey Harrington will be on my fantasy team this year..

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Either the Lions have reports that C.Rogers injury situation is such that he will never recover or the Lions feel that, with R.Williams, M.Williams and C.Rogers at WR, they can out-score other teams every game because it will be so hard to cover all three of them.

[ArcticWildMan]

I like the pick. Detroit has balls!!

[DraftBoy]

This was prolly the worst pick they could of made. Why? They got a 1000 yd HB in Kevin Jones, unless there is something more about WR Carlos Rogers injuries that we dont know about this pick is a bad one.

[fanman]

That's "best available" drafting - not sure I would have done that but hey, he was the best player there

[DraftBoy]

And we trade him for who? Now you're just giving away a pro-bowl CB for a draft pick.

Calm down I was just messing around there is no way you can send NC to any of those teams now he's worth more.

[Ed]

Well Charles Rogers hasn't done anything in two years, so I guess it's not that crazy...

[Dozerdog]

Great pick by the Lions.


Mr Reality must be happy. If Haqrrington fails with this, they have Garcia.

Remember- the past two seasons the Lions were decimated at WR with injury. They need OL and DL, and those picks are plentiful in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds

[ryjam282]

I smaell a trade coming for him....He won't be a Lion.

[fanman]

If Rodgers, Williams, and Williams (sounds like a law firm) can stay healthy, Marriucci will redefine west coast offense. that will be exciting to watch.

Of course they could still deal him...

[ArcticWildMan]

This was prolly the worst pick they could of made. Why? They got a 1000 yd HB in Kevin Jones, unless there is something more about WR Carlos Rogers injuries that we dont know about this pick is a bad one.


It's high risk but it's also high reward. How could we cover all three of their rcvrs if we played them? They have the potential to blow games wide open with an offense like that.

[DraftBoy]

Great pick by the Lions.


Mr Reality must be happy. If Haqrrington fails with this, they have Garcia.

Remember- the past two seasons the Lions were decimated at WR with injury. They need OL and DL, and those picks are plentiful in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds


Not really is a bad year for DL, and OL players are possible like Bass in round 2. I dunno I just dont like this pick unless they plan to move Mike Williams to TE which is not gonna happen. This pick to me makes no sense but it does send Joey Harrington an ultimatum.

[footballhottie]

crap!!!!!! i just woke up what did i miss!!!

[TigerJ]

Mike Williams is a different kind of receiver from the other guys on Detroit's roster. It's a little bizarre considering all the other areas they could have addressed, but Harrington sure has weapons.

[DraftBoy]

It's high risk but it's also high reward. How could we cover all three of their rcvrs if we played them? They have the potential to blow games wide open with an offense like that.


Well I wouldnt be as worried about covering all three at the same time as much as I would about getting in Harrington's face. Plus they may be able to score alot but they are gonna allow alot with that bad D they got there. Its just a bad pick imo.

[fanman]

They'll be in cap hell with three #1 WR's

[Sportsuser101]

This screwed up everybodies mock except of course mine. I had Mike going to the Lions all along....

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Jerry Jones just ate his shorts...I'm sure that he would have loved to have gotten M.Williams. Even though the CBs that he probably wanted are gone, B.Parcells is probably very happy now because he can go for defense or O-line.

With the top CBs gone, I think he will go with D.Johnson to help strengthen his LB corps. An alternative would be DE S.Merriman or DT T.Johnson. Dallas needs to be able to stop the run, so the DT wouldn't surprise me.

[ArcticWildMan]

Not really is a bad year for DL, and OL players are possible like Bass in round 2. I dunno I just dont like this pick unless they plan to move Mike Williams to TE which is not gonna happen. This pick to me makes no sense but it does send Joey Harrington an ultimatum.

If Detroit can field even a mediocre offensive line, Harrington will have a pro-bowl season with that many weapons. If he falters, Garcia will step in. Detroit is stacked and might just have made a pick that will enable them to turn the corner.

[Philagape]

crap!!!!!! i just woke up what did i miss!!!

The Bills traded Losman to Miami for Ricky Williams.







:D

[DraftBoy]

Ware here is a risk as I liked Merriman better. Ware has been rising like crazy so we'll see if Parcells is smart with this pick. They may take Spears at 20.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

They'll be in cap hell with three #1 WR's
Yeah, but they will be fun to watch!

Unless, of course C.Rogers is really hurt so bad he won't come back.

Dallas goes Demarcus Ware, DE Troy State. I guess Parcells is trying to recreate his past: as Kiper just said, with NE he took a college DE and made him an OLB--W.McGinest, but before then he took another college DE and made him an OLB that some of you may have heard of named Lawrence Taylor.

[DraftBoy]

If Detroit can field even a mediocre offensive line, Harrington will have a pro-bowl season with that many weapons. If he falters, Garcia will step in. Detroit is stacked and might just have made a pick that will enable them to turn the corner.

Still cant stop anybody and thats what wins in the NFL defense.

[McGaheehee]

crap!!!!!! i just woke up what did i miss!!!
You just missed the Lions redefining the words "air game".

They just went all in, betting the upcoming season on outscoring every team they play by picking Mike Williams and putting together the best WR core in the league...

of course, they have no D... no Line... no Secondary....

so you can see why were all shocked.

[ArcticWildMan]

Still cant stop anybody and thats what wins in the NFL defense.


All it takes is one magical year (ala the Rams) to get a ring. The Lions have the potential to have teams reeling all season long and figuring out ways to shut them down.

[DraftBoy]

Still dont see it the Rams had an amazin OL to keep the pass rush off Warner, the Lions dont have that.

[DraftBoy]

Plus Harrington has not shown the goods yet, and Garcia while reliable isnt as good as he once was

[ArcticWildMan]

Our 3rd ranked D didn't get us into the playoffs. If we had a little more offense, we would have made it.

[Crisis]

Even IF the Lions make it to the playoffs, and thats a big IF...Their WRs dont compare to the Eagles secondary.

[DraftBoy]

Our 3rd ranked D didn't get us into the playoffs. If we had a little more offense, we would have made it.


We had unbalanced team. Same problem with Detroit awesome O bad D.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

SD has a nice opportunity to improve their defense or offensive line here. S.Merriman would be a good fit in their 3-4 defense. So would D.Johnson. I'm sure they are probably disappointed that T.Williamson and M.Williams are gone--if they were talking trade earlier, I'd bet they wished that they pulled the trigger on a trade-up deal now.

[ArcticWildMan]

Was drafting an O-linesman going to help them make the playoffs? I doubt it.

Like I said. It's high risk but the reward potential is off the charts.

[McGaheehee]

Even IF the Lions make it to the playoffs, and thats a big IF...Their WRs dont compare to the Eagles secondary.
Ok, so dont get me wrong, im a Bills fan through and through.. but the Lions winning the NFC North isnt that far fetched: the Vikes are gonna suck. the Packers are getting older, and the Bears... well, ya... so its NOT that far fetched. Its nowhere in the bag, but I wouldnt be TOO shocked if the Lions make the playoffs.

[Sportsuser101]

Ok, so dont get me wrong, im a Bills fan through and through.. but the Lions winning the NFC North isnt that far fetched: the Vikes are gonna suck. the Packers are getting older, and the Bears... well, ya... so its NOT that far fetched. Its nowhere in the bag, but I wouldnt be TOO shocked if the Lions make the playoffs.
Your joking right? The Vikings are gonna suck? They are 1 of the best teams in the league after their offseason.

[ArcticWildMan]

We had unbalanced team. Same problem with Detroit awesome O bad D.

Unbalanced? LMAO!! We had a pro bowl RB, a previous pro-bowl rcvr and what was without a dobt the best rookie rcvr in the league. We had a dud for a QB that drug the rest of the team down. We had one missing piece (QB). Hardly "unbalanced".

[Crisis]

Unbalanced? LMAO!! We had a pro bowl RB, a previous pro-bowl rcvr and what was without a dobt the best rookie rcvr in the league. We had a dud for a QB that drug the rest of the team down. We had one missing piece (QB). Hardly "unbalanced".

Evans wasn't the best rookie WR in the league.

Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, and Mark Clayton are all up there with him.

[Sportsuser101]

Evans wasn't the best rookie WR in the league.

Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, and Mark Clayton are all up there with him.
It was between Clayton and Evans imo but I'll give it to Clayton.

[The Spaz]

Unbalanced? LMAO!! We had a pro bowl RB, a previous pro-bowl rcvr and what was without a dobt the best rookie rcvr in the league. We had a dud for a QB that drug the rest of the team down. We had one missing piece (QB). Hardly "unbalanced".

Where were we ranked offenseively?

[DraftBoy]

Unbalanced? LMAO!! We had a pro bowl RB, a previous pro-bowl rcvr and what was without a dobt the best rookie rcvr in the league. We had a dud for a QB that drug the rest of the team down. We had one missing piece (QB). Hardly "unbalanced".


How about an OL as a missing component. That makes 4-5 missing peices, you think having Losman being under center would gotten us the playoffs?? Not a chance.

[McGaheehee]

Your joking right? The Vikings are gonna suck? They are 1 of the best teams in the league after their offseason.
Losing Moss, and having Mike Tice as your head coach does not make you a playoff team :)

[LifetimeBillsFan]

S. Merriman to SD. He will be a good fit for them.


Houston has the OT of their choice fall into their lap. It's just a question of which one do they prefer: A.Barron or J.Brown? They've been able to run the ball pretty well, so I think that they go with J.Brown from Oklahoma to protect their QB.

[ArcticWildMan]

How about an OL as a missing component. That makes 4-5 missing peices, you think having Losman being under center would gotten us the playoffs?? Not a chance.

No but give me a veteran that had half a game and we would have.

[Crisis]

Losing Moss, and having Mike Tice as your head coach does not make you a playoff team :)

What about picking up Darren Sharper, Fred Smoot, Troy Williamson, Pat Williams, and Napoleon Harris?

[DraftBoy]

No but give me a veteran that had half a game and we would have.

You wanna give us a name, hell if we had an OT or OG on the left side we would of won them all but without a name my opinion doesnt mean jack.