Defend TD's picks here...

[Mr. Cynical]

What a ***** joke. Face it, he blew it this year. He didn't get the TH trade done, and picked a 5'9" WR when we don't have a legitimate LT nor C for that matter.
Tell me how his picks make ANY ***** SENSE. :madcloud:


:monkeyp:TD

[lordofgun]

I expect him to address some needs with the next 4 picks. Draft's not over.

[Dozerdog]

:cry:

[Mr. Cynical]

I expect him to suck my left nut the rest of the way. He really fked up, plain and simple. And just when I was gaining confidence in him too. :sigh:

[The Spaz]

:baby:

[Devin]

I love it and hate it. The kid could be a great speedy 3rd reciever and give JP a very fast offense. The TE pick isnt bad either.

I think TD will draft DL/OL/DB depth and pick up 2-4 cuts after June 1st.

Lets face it a 2nd round OL wasnt gonna solve our problems and be the diff between 5-11 or 10-6.

Trust me, all is not lost.

[lordofgun]

I expect him to suck my left nut the rest of the way. He really fked up, plain and simple. And just when I was gaining confidence in him too. :sigh:
Just like with the McGahee and Evans picks?

[Mr. Cynical]

Just like with the McGahee and Evans picks?
Apples and oranges. Was Parrish a projected top 5 pick? No. At least there was a high reward to go with the risk.

[Dozerdog]

:rofl:

[lordofgun]

Apples and oranges. Was Parrish a projected top 5 pick? No. At least there was a high reward to go with the risk.
McGahee and Evans weren't projected top 5 picks either. They were both "risk" picks with their blown knees and TD took both of them higher than they were projected.

[lordofgun]

Anyway, I prefer to defend TD's picks in my own thread. :tongue:

[Philagape]

TD and the FO have thousands of pages of notes and reports, countless hours of video, interviews with prospects, a nationwide network of professional scouts, FIRST-HAND knowledge of what our needs are, and thousands of man-hours spent preparing for this. What does anyone on this board have compared to that?

[The Spaz]

TD and the FO have thousands of pages of notes and reports, countless hours of video, interviews with prospects, a nationwide network of professional scouts, FIRST-HAND knowledge of what our needs are, and thousands of man-hours spent preparing for this. What does anyone on this board have compared to that?

Not a damn thing.:clap::beers:

[Mr. Cynical]

:cry:
:rofl:Typical. :yawn:

You have yet to provide any insight or defense of his picks so I guess you agree with me.

[Dozerdog]

TD and the FO have thousands of pages of notes and reports, countless hours of video, interviews with prospects, a nationwide network of professional scouts, FIRST-HAND knowledge of what our needs are, and thousands of man-hours spent preparing for this. What does anyone on this board have compared to that?
A Billszone draft guide :mad:

[lordofgun]

A Billszone draft guide :mad:
:rofl:

[Philagape]

A Billszone draft guide :mad:

Oh. never mind :ontome:

[Mr. Cynical]

McGahee and Evans weren't projected top 5 picks either. They were both "risk" picks with their blown knees and TD took both of them higher than they were projected.
Wrong. McGahee *was* a projected top 5 before the injury. Therefore the only question was if he would come back to form. That was the risk, but the reward was potentially there as well. He is a superstar so you take that chance.

What does Parrish give us at this point? Still haven't heard a good defense, given our current needs. Not to mention TH is still on the team.

[mybills]

What a ***** joke. Face it, he blew it this year. He didn't get the TH trade done, and picked a 5'9" WR when we don't have a legitimate LT nor C for that matter.
Tell me how his picks make ANY ***** SENSE. :madcloud:


:monkeyp:TD
YOU ARE SO WRONG!!! HE's 5'9" AND 3/4 :D

[Marvelous]

I like both picks. heres why

-Parrish is very popular where i live and i thought TD was gonna reach on a lineman. After Spencer & Baas were gone i figured value or bpa etc.. Maybe We will can use him on PR's to protect ot star CB.. I think we could get some good picks in the 4th & 5th... I don't blame TD for the Henry crpa as much as most because i am offended at the lack of value he seems to warrant..

-TE, He sure does come from a school that coaches TE's great. We needed a TE upgrade and perhaps Modrak/TD were higher on him then most fans are. He probably had a good visit with us.. I was hoping for a day 1 TE. I lkiked teh tackle Terry from the Cuse but oh well. The threads says "defend the picks" so.. imo it coulda been worse...

[Dozerdog]

Typical. :yawn:

You have yet to provide any insight or defense of his picks so I guess you agree with me.

Need - QB - Filled last year with this year's pick

Need- 3rd WR - Filled

Need- 2 Gimpy TE's - Filled

Need OL- Plenty still available


Cynical- all you did last year was complain about Bledsoe, WRs dropping balls,
and we have a couple of TEs on crutches.

Two of your biggest whines in 2004 were addressed, yet it's not good enough.


I guess we should continue to overpay to make splashy "feel good" moves.

[The Spaz]

Parrish is a playmaker both 17 yards yards per run and catch.

[lordofgun]

Parrish - WR -Round #2 - 55th Overall





Roscoe Parrish
Wide Receiverhttp://www.billszone.com/mtimages/2005draft/wr/parrish_1.jpg
University of Miami Hurricanes

Round #2 Selection - Buffalo Bills

Parrish was regarded as a home run threat every time he touched the ball at Miami. He has a rare combination of breakaway speed, a quick burst, an impressive change of pace and good catching ability. Parrish can elude tacklers in the open field or in traffic, and has a knack for making tacklers miss. He has been called by Hurricanes head coach Larry Coker as "the most exciting player I've ever coached."

[chubluv]

YOU ARE SO WRONG!!! HE's 5'9" AND 3/4 :D


:roflmao:

[DraftBoy]

Defend the pick? Easy...

WR Roscoe Parrish 2nd round-
With OT Khaliff Barnes off the table, there is nobody here at a need posistion worth selecting. Next OL to go was Terry at #64 to Baltimore and that was a reach pick as Terry is a 3rd round prospect. Losman has no #3 target and there is no guarantee Reed, Aiken or anybody is gonna step forward. Also Moulds has a trend of having an up then down year, you cannot at any costs have that happen this year and be left with only a sophmore as your go to guy with a 1st year starting QB. He's 5'9...Ok Evans in 5'10 he ran a better 40 than Evans, and is known for making more plays at the U. Kid played against some of the top DBs in th country week in and week out and simply dominated. Is it NFL level? Nope but you wont know till you try. He'll be our slot receiver this year and be unbelievable underneath with his speed and shiftyness in the open field. Whether you consider this a need posistion or not it was an amazing pick considering nobody else was avail who was of need at that point.

TE Kevin Everett-I was weary of this pick at first bc I really wanted Elton Brown here. But since he is still avail headed to the 4th I cant complain much. Everett is a developmental player who can do it all. Block and Catch and Break tackles. He needs to improve his blocking slightly but in 2 years he'll be our starter and another weapon for JP Losman. There was no player taken after this pick that I would rather have. Colmer has injury problems on the OL and Snyder doesnt impress me.

Not getting the TH deal done is inexcusable and the only remedy for me would be a 4th tommorow and a 3rd next season. But for that I dont like the draft to begin with. But Day 1 grade; B-, we took care of our biggest need and that was making sure Losman had weapons. We can take care of the OL tommorow still alot of good prospects like E. Brown, J. Brown, and C. Kemouteau to name a few.

[Bling]

TD and the FO have thousands of pages of notes and reports, countless hours of video, interviews with prospects, a nationwide network of professional scouts, FIRST-HAND knowledge of what our needs are, and thousands of man-hours spent preparing for this. What does anyone on this board have compared to that?

That sure stopped the Bengals from drafting Akili Smith. Sometimes the scouts turn out wrong.


and please, like you didn't second guess a coaches move, and moan about it to these boards.

[Mr. Cynical]

Parrish - WR -Round #2 - 55th Overall

Roscoe Parrish
Wide Receiver
University of Miami Hurricanes

Round #2 Selection - Buffalo Bills

Parrish was regarded as a home run threat every time he touched the ball at Miami. He has a rare combination of breakaway speed, a quick burst, an impressive change of pace and good catching ability. Parrish can elude tacklers in the open field or in traffic, and has a knack for making tacklers miss. He has been called by Hurricanes head coach Larry Coker as "the most exciting player I've ever coached."
[ESPN]

Parrish is extremely undersized and, as a result, he may never develop into an outside starter. However, Parrish has the potential to develop into a sure-handed and shifty slot receiver that can also contribute as a punt return specialist. As a result, Parrish grades out as a second or early-third round prospect in the 2005 NFL draft.

Yeah, looks like we got a steal and really addressed out needs, especially since our punt returns were already in the top of the league.

[mybills]

If Blindsoe didn't throw over our wr's heads - or BEHIND them- or UNDER them.........

He made ERIC MOULDS look bad!

That doesn't mean we NEED wr's.

Granted, one is good. Moulds at 33? yrs old will be leaving next year, and when I saw the highlights of Roscoe I was reminded of Peerless Price's speed. BUT, do we really NEED that more than tackles/protection? Who cares who receives the ball if Losman's getting nailed? :cynic:

[DraftBoy]

[ESPN]

Parrish is extremely undersized and, as a result, he may never develop into an outside starter. However, Parrish has the potential to develop into a sure-handed and shifty slot receiver that can also contribute as a punt return specialist. As a result, Parrish grades out as a second or early-third round prospect in the 2005 NFL draft.

Yeah, looks like we got a steal and really addressed out needs, especially since our punt returns were already in the top of the league.


I like how you only bold the parts that you like, next time why not just doctor it more and delete the parts you dont agree with?

[Philagape]

That sure stopped the Bengals from drafting Akili Smith. Sometimes the scouts turn out wrong.


and please, like you didn't second guess a coaches move, and moan about it to these boards.

Sometimes WE'RE wrong too. I trust the scouts more than you or me.

I second-guess results. I'm not an expert, but I know wins and losses.

[Philagape]

[ESPN]

Parrish is extremely undersized and, as a result, he may never develop into an outside starter. However, Parrish has the potential to develop into a sure-handed and shifty slot receiver that can also contribute as a punt return specialist. As a result, Parrish grades out as a second or early-third round prospect in the 2005 NFL draft.

Yeah, looks like we got a steal and really addressed out needs, especially since our punt returns were already in the top of the league.

Parrish is extremely undersized and, as a result, he may never develop into an outside starter. However, Parrish has the potential to develop into a sure-handed and shifty slot receiver that can also contribute as a punt return specialist. As a result, Parrish grades out as a second or early-third round prospect in the 2005 NFL draft.


Two can play that silly game.

[Mr. Cynical]

Need - QB - Filled last year with this year's pick

Need- 3rd WR - Filled

Need- 2 Gimpy TE's - Filled

Need OL- Plenty still available


Cynical- all you did last year was complain about Bledsoe, WRs dropping balls,
and we have a couple of TEs on crutches.

Two of your biggest whines in 2004 were addressed, yet it's not good enough.


I guess we should continue to overpay to make splashy "feel good" moves.
Last year's QB pick had nothing to do with him picking Parrish and Everett. Just because he traded our #1 this year for Losman does not mean he gets a free pass to waste our only high pick on a short WR who at best is going to play slot and when our punt returns are already top notch. Wasted pick.

TE's are a dime a dozen unless you are talking about Gonzo or Gates. Everett isn't even in the same universe as those two. Wasted pick.

And yes, the OL is still a problem, along with a disgruntled backup RB who has said he will not play again in a Bills uniform.

And I have no idea how my complaining about Bledsoe last year has anything to do with this at all. And I never complained about WR drops. Show me where I "constantly" said that. I put it on Drew 99% of the time.

So no, two of my biggest whines in 2004 were not addressed. Losman was a move from LAST year, and our Oline still sucks without a stud LT and more competent C.

[Mr. Cynical]

I like how you only bold the parts that you like, next time why not just doctor it more and delete the parts you dont agree with?Thats right...Log didn't bold the parts he liked. :rolleyes:

[Bling]

Parrish - WR -Round #2 - 55th Overall





Roscoe Parrish
Wide Receiverhttp://www.billszone.com/mtimages/2005draft/wr/parrish_1.jpg
University of Miami Hurricanes

Round #2 Selection - Buffalo Bills

Parrish was regarded as a home run threat every time he touched the ball at Miami. He has a rare combination of breakaway speed, a quick burst, an impressive change of pace and good catching ability. Parrish can elude tacklers in the open field or in traffic, and has a knack for making tacklers miss. He has been called by Hurricanes head coach Larry Coker as "the most exciting player I've ever coached."


It's easy to average 17 ypg, when you get the ball 3 times a game, and the only time you have good games is against Mary's Home of the Blind.

[Mr. Cynical]

If Blindsoe didn't throw over our wr's heads - or BEHIND them- or UNDER them.........

He made ERIC MOULDS look bad!

That doesn't mean we NEED wr's.

Granted, one is good. Moulds at 33? yrs old will be leaving next year, and when I saw the highlights of Roscoe I was reminded of Peerless Price's speed. BUT, do we really NEED that more than tackles/protection? Who cares who receives the ball if Losman's getting nailed? :cynic:
:bf1:

Thankfully someone here understands.

[The Spaz]

It's easy to average 17 ypg, when you get the ball 3 times a game, and the only time you have good games is against Mary's Home of the Blind.

When he gets the ball he produces right?

[djjimkelly]

i like both picks

parrish - for one simple reason, the rule change on the 5 yard chuck rule. just think at this point parrish will be our 3rd or 4th wr in all sets i cant think of too many 3rd or 4th cbs that can match up with his speed and burst. i think he will end up being a serious mismatch that we can exploit other teams with for EXAMPLE( santana moss in 3 wr sets with the jets and antwan randle el with steelers in 3 wr sets) now do i think this kid is going to the hall of fame. hell no! however i do like the fact that the TOMS have added a player that any time he touches the ball it could be 6!

everett- i was hoping for this guy to be one of our targets a few weeks back. he is very raw and is athletic and he too is a mismatch for d's. u know it cracks me up that in a time where ANTONIO GATES comes from nowhere with great athletic ability we have to curse the guy that sort of fits into that mold. let me remind bills fans that just 10 - 15 years ago we had a guy named keith mckeller who fit thsi exact same mold and i think they named the K GUN o after him. now once again am i being delusional and appointing this guy to the hall of fame. but i like the pick and the thought is behind this pick!

[Dozerdog]

Parrish is extremely undersized and, as a result, he may never develop into an outside starter. However, Parrish has the potential to develop into a sure-handed and shifty slot receiver that can also contribute as a punt return specialist. As a result, Parrish grades out as a second or early-third round prospect in the 2005 NFL draft.


Two can play that silly game.
:rofl:

[DraftBoy]

Thats right...Log didn't bold the parts he liked. :rolleyes:


So what somebody calls you out on something and you play the blame game?

[Dozerdog]

Last year's QB pick had nothing to do with him picking Parrish and Everett. Just because he traded our #1 this year for Losman does not mean he gets a free pass to waste our only high pick on a short WR who at best is going to play slot and when our punt returns are already top notch. Wasted pick.

TE's are a dime a dozen unless you are talking about Gonzo or Gates. Everett isn't even in the same universe as those two. Wasted pick.

And yes, the OL is still a problem, along with a disgruntled backup RB who has said he will not play again in a Bills uniform.

And I have no idea how my complaining about Bledsoe last year has anything to do with this at all. And I never complained about WR drops. Show me where I "constantly" said that. I put it on Drew 99% of the time.

So no, two of my biggest whines in 2004 were not addressed. Losman was a move from LAST year, and our Oline still sucks without a stud LT and more competent C.


You're right. Your whines will never get addressed.

[Philagape]

TE's are a dime a dozen unless you are talking about Gonzo or Gates. Everett isn't even in the same universe as those two. Wasted pick.


Go back to 2003 and tell me Gates was going to be in the same universe as Gonzo.

[Bling]

Sometimes WE'RE wrong too. I trust the scouts more than you or me.

I second-guess results. I'm not an expert, but I know wins and losses.

So what's the point of this message board? Why do we need to discuss picks if we know management is always right? Why is this message board even a hit? I know where you're coming from.



Who's also to say that Donahoe actually knows him? He's got 300+ people to look at. Maybe he didn't make the decision, one of his lower buddies did. Maybe he looked at the speed, and said we could use some of that, and didn't really pay attention to who he is till 5 minutes before they drafted him? :D

[Philagape]

So what's the point of this message board? Why do we need to discuss picks if we know management is always right? Why is this message board even a hit? I know where you're coming from.



Who's also to say that Donahoe actually knows him? He's got 300+ people to look at. Maybe he didn't make the decision, one of his lower buddies did. Maybe he looked at the speed, and said we could use some of that, and didn't really pay attention to who he is till 5 minutes before they drafted him? :D

Anyone has the right to post here, and I have the right to tear down their credibility :D

[DraftBoy]

Last year's QB pick had nothing to do with him picking Parrish and Everett. Just because he traded our #1 this year for Losman does not mean he gets a free pass to waste our only high pick on a short WR who at best is going to play slot and when our punt returns are already top notch. Wasted pick.

TE's are a dime a dozen unless you are talking about Gonzo or Gates. Everett isn't even in the same universe as those two. Wasted pick.

And yes, the OL is still a problem, along with a disgruntled backup RB who has said he will not play again in a Bills uniform.

And I have no idea how my complaining about Bledsoe last year has anything to do with this at all. And I never complained about WR drops. Show me where I "constantly" said that. I put it on Drew 99% of the time.

So no, two of my biggest whines in 2004 were not addressed. Losman was a move from LAST year, and our Oline still sucks without a stud LT and more competent C.

How about we pay attention to trends like Moulds trends to have a big season and then a down one the year following, or the trend for rookie players to exp the Sophmore slump. Also are you saying we shouldnt give JP all the weapons we can around him. Also who would you take who was of better value than Parrish, certainly not Terry bc he is of lesser value as a 3rd round prospect not a 2nd-3rd rounder like Parrish was. All other OL were well below Parrish. As for Everett if you read a good bit of scouting reports say that this kid could be a good #1 in a few years. So instead of playing the TE merry go around maybe we should settle of one, dont ya think? Lastly there is still plenty of OL left as it is a deep draft. Im as pissed as you are about the TH deal not getting done but thats one strike with two good picks today. Atleast save the *****ing until tommorow afternoon when all the picks are on the table, so truce?

[HurryUpTom]

Anyone has the right to post here, and I have the right to tear down their credibility :D
As you said, you know wins and losses ... as such, I'd be reluctant to use Tom Donahoe and the current front office to justify picks.

Did Tom pick better than I would have? No doubt. But that's not the criteria. How did he do versus the rest of the league? I don't think he did/has done that well.

[AndreReed83]

Isn't our punt returner Nate Clements? As good as he may be at it, I seriously would be fine with replacing him at it. Why risk injury to our best DB when our Special Teams will still be great without Nate returning punts? I seriously think Parrish will make our punt return better actually. Nate didn't exactly finish the year off in a stellar manner, if I remember correctly. Couple of fumbles. I like the Parrish pick. And I LOVE the Everett pick, I think he will turn into a very solid, balanced TE for us.

[DraftBoy]

Isn't our punt returner Nate Clements? As good as he may be at it, I seriously would be fine with replacing him at it. Why risk injury to our best DB when our Special Teams will still be great without Nate returning punts? I seriously think Parrish will make our punt return better actually. Nate didn't exactly finish the year off in a stellar manner, if I remember correctly. Couple of fumbles. I like the Parrish pick. And I LOVE the Everett pick, I think he will turn into a very solid, balanced TE for us.


Couldnt say it much better, but apparently lots of guys like the idea of our Pro Bowl CB out there standing around waiting to get decapitated.

[Bling]

Also are you saying we shouldnt give JP all the weapons we can around him.

Best arguement for the pick today. That is a good point....even though you picked a horrible WR, it's a good point for why TD picked him. I'd want my new QB to have a lot of weapons...Just hope your OL picks up.

[HurryUpTom]

How many PR's got injured last year and what was their rate of injury per down versus other positions?

They have the damned fair catch rule ... if he's the best returner, the increased chance to break one to the house is way more important than a miniscule increased risk of injury.

[AndreReed83]

As you said, you know wins and losses ... as such, I'd be reluctant to use Tom Donahoe and the current front office to justify picks.

Did Tom pick better than I would have? No doubt. But that's not the criteria. How did he do versus the rest of the league? I don't think he did/has done that well.

Tom has made numerous picks that have outdone many other teams picks. He also makes some great rookie free agent pick ups. Peters, Baker, etc.

[DraftBoy]

Best arguement for the pick today. That is a good point....even though you picked a horrible WR, it's a good point for why TD picked him. I'd want my new QB to have a lot of weapons...Just hope your OL picks up.


You guys cannot even begin to compare 2nd round picks, we didnt take that bum Matt Roth who is gonna be a bust

[Philagape]

As you said, you know wins and losses ... as such, I'd be reluctant to use Tom Donahoe and the current front office to justify picks.

Did Tom pick better than I would have? No doubt. But that's not the criteria. How did he do versus the rest of the league? I don't think he did/has done that well.

Based on results, he's had a mixed bag. Bringing in Bledsoe cost us for sure, but drafting Willis, Evans, McGee and signing Spikes, Fletcher, Adams got us a few wins, ya think?

[Bling]

Isn't our punt returner Nate Clements? As good as he may be at it, I seriously would be fine with replacing him at it. Why risk injury to our best DB when our Special Teams will still be great without Nate returning punts? I seriously think Parrish will make our punt return better actually. Nate didn't exactly finish the year off in a stellar manner, if I remember correctly. Couple of fumbles. I like the Parrish pick. And I LOVE the Everett pick, I think he will turn into a very solid, balanced TE for us.

So you went 2nd round pick on a 3rd WR, and a PR? Don't you pick PR off the FA Rookie wire? You don't draft PRs that high unless he poses a 2nd WR spot.

So when Moulds leaves, are you guys happy with 2 speedsters, but no physical players? Lee Evans has great hands and great leaping ability, but what happens when's he doubled? You guys confident 3 catches a game will make more catches in the NFL than college? Especially when you play Houston and Louisana Tech star CBs.

[HurryUpTom]

Tom has made numerous picks that have outdone many other teams picks. He also makes some great rookie free agent pick ups. Peters, Baker, etc.
Numerous picks? The 2001 draft was outstanding, but isn't doing much for us now (2 starters, which I'd say is less than what you'd expect 4 years after a draft). After that, I'd say the other drafts have been average at best based on performance until now.

[Mr. Cynical]

So you went 2nd round pick on a 3rd WR, and a PR? Don't you pick PR off the FA Rookie wire? You don't draft PRs that high unless he poses a 2nd WR spot.

So when Moulds leaves, are you guys happy with 2 speedsters, but no physical players? Lee Evans has great hands and great leaping ability, but what happens when's he doubled? You guys confident 3 catches a game will make more catches in the NFL than college? Especially when you play Houston and Louisana Tech star CBs.
:10:

[AndreReed83]

How many PR's got injured last year and what was their rate of injury per down versus other positions?

They have the damned fair catch rule ... if he's the best returner, the increased chance to break one to the house is way more important than a miniscule increased risk of injury.

I couldn't more strongly disagree. The true risk here isn't just injury to a punt returner. It's an injury to a SHUTDOWN CB. And again, I remember Nate not doing so well later in the year. Had some fumbles. Stick Parrish out there. Get him some more extended playing time then just 3rd WR. Or if he doesn't make it this year as 3rd WR, he can get some playing time period.

[Dozerdog]

Go back to 2003 and tell me Gates was going to be in the same universe as Gonzo.
I don't even think he played very much organized football in college ( I could be wrong). He was basketball all the way.

[Bling]

You guys cannot even begin to compare 2nd round picks, we didnt take that bum Matt Roth who is gonna be a bust

Did I mention the Dolphins pick anywhere?

and sorry, but at least my guy was considered somewhat of a steal. Roschoe was a reach. Get back to me in 5 years when Roth actually starts for us. Hell our 3rd round pick (which I bet you didn't even know) Channing Crowder was a better pick than Roschoe Parrish. And I hate UF more than I do UM.

[Dozerdog]

:rofl:

You know you're in trouble when Bling is in your corner...LOL

[HurryUpTom]

Based on results, he's had a mixed bag. Bringing in Bledsoe cost us for sure, but drafting Willis, Evans, McGee and signing Spikes, Fletcher, Adams got us a few wins, ya think?
He didn't draft Spikes, Fletcher, or Adams.

Willis hasn't helped us as much as Steinbach would have, as such I'd say that pick cost us wins.

Evans was a good pick - looks like he'll be exactly what you'd want from a top-15 pick. McGee looks really good too.

But I wouldn't say that he's won a lot of games here, so I can't say that his draft picks have helped us win too many games.

[djjimkelly]

tell me that TE was'nt a need with our top 2 TE's coming off knee injuries. and god what TE was rated higher that we could of picked i think everett is a very prudent pick. also tell me who from THE U doesnt play well in nfl over last 5-10 years.

[Bling]

:rofl:

You know you're in trouble when Bling is in your corner...LOL

:headscrat

Sorry if I'm making little sense guys. I was suppose to be asleep 2 hours ago. I'm going to look like schmit for golf tomorrow.

Later.

[djjimkelly]

and anyone knocking their catch total's have u guys ever seen brock berlin throw the ball lol add to these guys totals immediately. stop looking at just stats and look at the total package. i can think of the game vs louisville where parrish single handed took over the game with his PR's

[AndreReed83]

So you went 2nd round pick on a 3rd WR, and a PR? Don't you pick PR off the FA Rookie wire? You don't draft PRs that high unless he poses a 2nd WR spot.

So when Moulds leaves, are you guys happy with 2 speedsters, but no physical players? Lee Evans has great hands and great leaping ability, but what happens when's he doubled? You guys confident 3 catches a game will make more catches in the NFL than college? Especially when you play Houston and Louisana Tech star CBs.

Well, actually, yes. I'm fine with whatever this team does, because basically, I have no control over it. So even if I don't like it (even though I like our moves in this case) I just have to look in the mirror as say, "TOUGH!" First, I think Moulds won't leave for a few years. That gives us time to develop a true replacement for him somewhere. The physical presence doesn't necessarily have to be another WR. It can be TE or even FB/RB. And I wouldn't just label Evans as a speedster. I saw him make quite a few catches that he had to fight for. And actually, YES, I'm confident Parrish can make more then 3 catches a game facing inside CB's or even LB's as a 3rd Wr. Good pick, in my opinion.

[Philagape]

I don't even think he played very much organized football in college ( I could be wrong). He was basketball all the way.

Exactly. And now he's arguably the best TE. Therefore, I'm not going to be so quick to dismiss Everett.

[ArcticWildMan]

I'll reserve final judgement until tomorrow. As long as we grab a linesman or two I'll be happy.

WR and TE were both need positions and TD addressed them. He'll handle the remaining needs tomorrow I'm sure.

[dasaybz]

I'm a little skeptical with taking a 5'9 170 lb WR with our first pick, and a TE that needs some polish. But, we need more weapons on this team for JP to get the ball to, and hopefully Roscoe ends up being a Santana Moss type player. Tom has done a good job with his previous drafts here, so I trust him ... and I think we'll see a bunch of fat guys being drafted tomorrow.
As for the Henry thing ... nobody wanted to dance, so what's Tom gonna do, just give the guy away? Shelton was the ONLY deal that I heard was concrete ... and TD just didn't want to budge on that. I guess we'll see what goes down tomorrow.

[Dozerdog]

Let's not forget the money angle either.

Henry has 1 year at 1.2million. Shelton makes 3 Million. Even if they are equall value, (which it isn't) the bills are instantly $1.75 closer to the cap.

Wait till shelton gets cut

[dasaybz]

Let's not forget the money angle either.

Henry has 1 year at 1.2million. Shelton makes 3 Million. Even if they are equall value, (which it isn't) the bills are instantly $1.75 closer to the cap.

Wait till shelton gets cutThat's a good point also, who the hell knows what June 1st cuts there are going to be. We got Milloy a couple years ago, and a stud OLineman may get cut this year ... we'll just have to be patient.

[Akhippo]

I think surrounding JP with as many talents as possible is a must. If we could of only gotten some lineman from Miami also.

I couldnt really find anybody that was available with our pick that blew me away. Were only looking for a third wideout and a backup tight end anyway. The only real need was a LT. And like it was said earlier, how many pro bowl tackles can you get not in the first. If they can snag a center and another OL on sunday Ill be happy.

As far as the trades, you cant help that AZ is dumb. Instead of swapping seconds and also getting Henry, a proven back, they keep the second and pick a back. That make no sense. Get a back and keep your second, or just pick a back. TD was right to push that trade.

[ryjam282]

Need - QB - Filled last year with this year's pick

Need- 3rd WR - Filled

Need- 2 Gimpy TE's - Filled

Need OL- Plenty still available


Cynical- all you did last year was complain about Bledsoe, WRs dropping balls,
and we have a couple of TEs on crutches.

Two of your biggest whines in 2004 were addressed, yet it's not good enough.


I guess we should continue to overpay to make splashy "feel good" moves.

Great post. I couldn't agree more. We instatly filled 2 of our needs.




Defend the pick? Easy...

WR Roscoe Parrish 2nd round-
With OT Khaliff Barnes off the table, there is nobody here at a need posistion worth selecting. Next OL to go was Terry at #64 to Baltimore and that was a reach pick as Terry is a 3rd round prospect. Losman has no #3 target and there is no guarantee Reed, Aiken or anybody is gonna step forward. Also Moulds has a trend of having an up then down year, you cannot at any costs have that happen this year and be left with only a sophmore as your go to guy with a 1st year starting QB. He's 5'9...Ok Evans in 5'10 he ran a better 40 than Evans, and is known for making more plays at the U. Kid played against some of the top DBs in th country week in and week out and simply dominated. Is it NFL level? Nope but you wont know till you try. He'll be our slot receiver this year and be unbelievable underneath with his speed and shiftyness in the open field. Whether you consider this a need posistion or not it was an amazing pick considering nobody else was avail who was of need at that point.

TE Kevin Everett-I was weary of this pick at first bc I really wanted Elton Brown here. But since he is still avail headed to the 4th I cant complain much. Everett is a developmental player who can do it all. Block and Catch and Break tackles. He needs to improve his blocking slightly but in 2 years he'll be our starter and another weapon for JP Losman. There was no player taken after this pick that I would rather have. Colmer has injury problems on the OL and Snyder doesnt impress me.

Not getting the TH deal done is inexcusable and the only remedy for me would be a 4th tommorow and a 3rd next season. But for that I dont like the draft to begin with. But Day 1 grade; B-, we took care of our biggest need and that was making sure Losman had weapons. We can take care of the OL tommorow still alot of good prospects like E. Brown, J. Brown, and C. Kemouteau to name a few.


Good post. Parrish will go over the middle and is a CLONE of Peerless. He has the wheels and the shiftyness that is needed. He will be a MONSTER in the slot.




It's easy to average 17 ypg, when you get the ball 3 times a game, and the only time you have good games is against Mary's Home of the Blind.

Please defend that answer, Roscoe had some big games, and also keep in mind that with Brock Berlin and a very subpar OL the Canes didn't have the best offense in the world either. Roscoe was the go to guy for Brock. He is a GREAT punt returner and will help out this team immediately.

[Mahdi]

The bottom line for our draft so far is the Bills draft board. TD probably had some o-linmen on it. But by the time we picked they were gone. Therefore you take the best player avaiable according to your board. And thats what they did. Whats the point in taking an OL with your highest selection that you are not high on and pass up players that you have rated higher? I see them addressing needs with second day picks. I think we have to remember that we do have one of the best OL coaches in the league and he should be able to spot that late round talent.

[HHURRICANE]

The bottom line for our draft so far is the Bills draft board. TD probably had some o-linmen on it. But by the time we picked they were gone. Therefore you take the best player avaiable according to your board. And thats what they did. Whats the point in taking an OL with your highest selection that you are not high on and pass up players that you have rated higher? I see them addressing needs with second day picks. I think we have to remember that we do have one of the best OL coaches in the league and he should be able to spot that late round talent.
I agree. If we really want him we will get Shelton anyway. Does anyone know if the Bills would sign Henry to an extension? I know this is far fetched but I watched McGahee sustain one of the most brutal knee injuries in college football and I am still nervous he is one play away from being done. Let's not forget that this has been a 2 year recovery and he, although very impressive, has permanately lost some speed.

[The Spaz]

has permanately lost some speed.

Not according to Willis for for the first time since the knee injury he has been working on speed training and when he was asked if he is as fast as he was he said close. He nay have lost some speed but he was a 4.3 guy so maybe he is a 4.4 big deal IMO.

[Mahdi]

McGahee took some pretty vicious shots last year and he was fine. With today's medical capabilities theres no reason to believe his knee isnt back to normal or even stronger.

[DraftBoy]

Did I mention the Dolphins pick anywhere?

and sorry, but at least my guy was considered somewhat of a steal. Roschoe was a reach. Get back to me in 5 years when Roth actually starts for us. Hell our 3rd round pick (which I bet you didn't even know) Channing Crowder was a better pick than Roschoe Parrish. And I hate UF more than I do UM.


Do you really want to get into a pissing contest about who knows more about this draft class, bc I guarantee you'll lose.

[buffmaniac]

Never draft for need. That's when you reach and make a bad pick i.e. Erik Flowers.

Bills obviously were not enamored with any OL who was available at their picks. Besides McNally has a knack for taking late round guys and making them into starters. I guess we'll see.

As for Parrish and Everett. I have no idea about either guy. Only time will tell whether they were good picks or not, but I do like the speed that they add to our offense.

[ShadowHawk7]

Defend the pick? Easy...

WR Roscoe Parrish 2nd round-
With OT Khaliff Barnes off the table, there is nobody here at a need posistion worth selecting. Next OL to go was Terry at #64 to Baltimore and that was a reach pick as Terry is a 3rd round prospect. Losman has no #3 target and there is no guarantee Reed, Aiken or anybody is gonna step forward. Also Moulds has a trend of having an up then down year, you cannot at any costs have that happen this year and be left with only a sophmore as your go to guy with a 1st year starting QB. He's 5'9...Ok Evans in 5'10 he ran a better 40 than Evans, and is known for making more plays at the U. Kid played against some of the top DBs in th country week in and week out and simply dominated. Is it NFL level? Nope but you wont know till you try. He'll be our slot receiver this year and be unbelievable underneath with his speed and shiftyness in the open field. Whether you consider this a need posistion or not it was an amazing pick considering nobody else was avail who was of need at that point.

TE Kevin Everett-I was weary of this pick at first bc I really wanted Elton Brown here. But since he is still avail headed to the 4th I cant complain much. Everett is a developmental player who can do it all. Block and Catch and Break tackles. He needs to improve his blocking slightly but in 2 years he'll be our starter and another weapon for JP Losman. There was no player taken after this pick that I would rather have. Colmer has injury problems on the OL and Snyder doesnt impress me.

Not getting the TH deal done is inexcusable and the only remedy for me would be a 4th tommorow and a 3rd next season. But for that I dont like the draft to begin with. But Day 1 grade; B-, we took care of our biggest need and that was making sure Losman had weapons. We can take care of the OL tommorow still alot of good prospects like E. Brown, J. Brown, and C. Kemouteau to name a few.

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Great post defending them, I think Everett will be an impact faster than you think, but other than that I agree w/ u.

[Tatonka]

You guys cannot even begin to compare 2nd round picks, we didnt take that bum Matt Roth who is gonna be a bust


yeah.. TD would never use a 2nd round pick to draft an average white DE or three..

[Ebenezer]

after this draft....:hanging:

[Mr. Cynical]

yeah.. TD would never use a 2nd round pick to draft an average white DE or three..
:lol:


after this draft....:hanging:
:rofl: