Terry vs. Preston

[Mr. Cynical]

Let's see.... TD said the #1 priority was to address to OL. So he picks a WR and a TE with his first two picks. Ok.

What position on the line is the most in need? LT. He COULD have picked Adam Terry instead of Parrish (he picked Parrish and #55 and Terry went at #64), and now we're getting Preston as the "answer".

Adam Terry
OT (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/position?id=46&action=login&appRedirect=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.espn.go.com%2Fnfldraft%2Fdraft05%2Ftracker%2Fposition%3Fid%3D46) | (6'8", 330, 5.31)

Overall: Terry played in four games as a backup left tackle in his true freshman season in 2000 before taking over as the fulltime starter at left tackle for the Orange in 2001. He was a fulltime starter at that position from that point on and he finished with 34-consecutive starts to his credit. Terry still needs to improve his bulk and strength but his stock is skyrocketing following an impressive senior season. His technique is improved, he has the frame to get bigger and, most importantly, he is a very good athlete for a player with his frame. Terry may need time to develop physically but his upside as a potential starting left tackle in the NFL makes him an attractive second round prospect.

But instead we got....

Raymond Preston
C (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/position?id=91&action=login&appRedirect=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.espn.go.com%2Fnfldraft%2Fdraft05%2Ftracker%2Fposition%3Fid%3D91) | (6'5http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/nfl/trans/1_8.gif", 311, 5.37)

Overall: Preston red-shirted in 2000 and he appeared in two games of the 2001 season. He took over as a starter in 2002 and has been the fulltime starter the past three seasons. Preston is a blue-collar player that never stops working and rarely makes mistakes, but his potential is limited by his lack of natural ability. He doesn't run well enough to consistently reach his blocks at the second level and he isn't quick enough to prevent penetration in pass protection against elite one-gap DT's. That said; Preston's work ethic, size and sound technique are enough to give him a chance to compete for a roster spot as a reserve in the NFL. In our opinion, he's worth taking a chance on in the seventh round but not any earlier.


TD is a :homer:

[daxquix]

LMAO. These guys havent played 1 day in the NFL yet. We dont know how its gonna work out!

I bet if Tom could go back he would draft Tom Brady 5-6 years ago and people would be "THATS A DUMB MOVE" and it would turn out great. We just dont know untill they play!

[Mr. Cynical]

I don't care if Parrish is the next coming of Harrison. What good is it if JP is getting sacked all the time or running for his life? The OL is the weakest part of the team and he had a chance to grab a monster for an LT spot, the weakest part of the weakest part of the team.

[DraftBoy]

Terry was not a 2nd round prospect, he was a 3rd round prospect who Baltimore reached for bc they didnt have a 3rd round pick. Jesus had he taken Terry people would of complained about him over reaching for a player.

[cordog]

Mr. C,

How long have you been a scout/GM in the NFL?

[daxquix]

I don't care if Parrish is the next coming of Harrison. What good is it if JP is getting sacked all the time or running for his life? The OL is the weakest part of the team and he had a chance to grab a monster for an LT spot, the weakest part of the weakest part of the team.
Again ... how do we know how our OL will be this year. For all we know McNally may have 5 guys who he thinks are going to dominate this year .... do you have some insider information we dont?

[daxquix]

Mr. C,

How long have you been a scout/GM in the NFL?
Stole the words out of my mouth.

[Mr. Cynical]

Mr. C,

How long have you been a scout/GM in the NFL?
I see the Ostrich Club is back in full swing. Never criticize TD - he is a genius and never makes mistakes except for GW. :rolleyes:

[justasportsfan]

TD is a :homer:
what football team do you GM for?

[cordog]

I see the Ostrich Club is back in full swing. Never criticize TD - he is a genius and never makes mistakes except for GW. :rolleyes:

Whatever dude, im just saying, you have no clue. Its not about ripping td, its about being realistic. These guys havent even picked out numbers yet and your saying TD made the wrong choice. No one knows how they will turn out, and yes that means even the great Mr. Cynical.

[gonzo1105]

Terrence McGee once upon a time was at best supposed to be a reserve with hardly a chance of being drafted and Buffalo used a 4th on him too.

[DMBcrew36]

I see the Ostrich Club is back in full swing. Never criticize TD - he is a genius and never makes mistakes except for GW. :rolleyes:They OBVIOUSLY have a strategy over at OBD for how the team will be constructed for this coming season. You on the other hand, sit here and criticize when you're just some lame-o who watches from TV and has no merit whatsoever

[Mr. Cynical]

Whatever dude, im just saying, you have no clue. Its not about ripping td, its about being realistic. These guys havent even picked out numbers yet and your saying TD made the wrong choice. No one knows how they will turn out, and yes that means even the great Mr. Cynical.
It's not about saying Parrish isn't going to be good. It's saying that Terry is highly rated and fills our most urgent need. Yes, ratings aren't always right, so in reality nobody "has a clue". My beef is that he picked a position that we don't have an urgent need for and could have had someone who could be a star at our weakest position.

[DraftBoy]

It's not about saying Parrish isn't going to be good. It's saying that Terry is highly rated and fills our most urgent need. Yes, ratings aren't always right, so in reality nobody "has a clue". My beef is that he picked a position that we don't have an urgent need for and could have had someone who could be a star at our weakest position.


So then can we assume you would prefer us having reached for Terry at 55? And you would not of have complained at all about us reaching for a player who is not worth the value? Can we say that about you?

[Mr. Cynical]

They OBVIOUSLY have a strategy over at OBD for how the team will be constructed for this coming season. You on the other hand, sit here and criticize when you're just some lame-o who watches from TV and has no merit whatsoever
Just like they OBVIOUSLY had a strategy for GW and Drew? Yeah, I can see how they always know what they are doing. Have another beer - maybe you'll feel better.

[DMBcrew36]

It's not about saying Parrish isn't going to be good. It's saying that Terry is highly rated and fills our most urgent need. Yes, ratings aren't always right, so in reality nobody "has a clue". My beef is that he picked a position that we don't have an urgent need for and could have had someone who could be a star at our weakest position.
You use free-agency and guys from within to address current need. You use the draft to build for the future.

[The Spaz]

Just like they OBVIOUSLY had a strategy for GW and Drew? Yeah, I can see how they always know what they are doing. Have another beer - maybe you'll feel better.

He needs another beer and you need to go back to :dishes: :up:

[DMBcrew36]

Just like they OBVIOUSLY had a strategy for GW and Drew? Yeah, I can see how they always know what they are doing. Have another beer - maybe you'll feel better.Bringing in Greg Williams is TOTALLY different than drafting players. And we aren't the only ones who were fooled by the appeal of Bledsoe. Dallas seems to think he's still worth something.


edit: and Yes, I do need another beer. That's the best thing i've heard from you yet.

[Mr. Cynical]

So then can we assume you would prefer us having reached for Terry at 55? And you would not of have complained at all about us reaching for a player who is not worth the value? Can we say that about you?
And what is the basis for you saying it would have been such a great reach? Your opinion? Draft reports? From what I've read, he was rated a solid 2nd round pick with huge upside. So to answer your question another way, I would have been happy with taking him at #55 because it would have filled our most urgent spot and would not have been over paying.

[DraftBoy]

And what is the basis for you saying it would have been such a great reach? Your opinion? Draft reports? From what I've read, he was rated a solid 2nd round pick with huge upside. So to answer your question another way, I would have been happy with taking him at #55 because it would have filled our most urgent spot and would not have been over paying.


Draft Reports I read said he was a 3rd round prospect i dont know how many different times Ive tried to quote you to say that and yet you havent responded to it. Does my opinion factor in of course it does as does yours. I dont just rely on the draft mags or sites, I do my own research. Our most ugent spot was OT and there was not one there at 55 worth a pick. I maintain BAL reached for him at the end of the 2nd. Terry was a 3rd round prospect and how can you sit there and compare two players from completely different posistions, talk about an unfair comparison.

[Mr. Cynical]

Draft Reports I read said he was a 3rd round prospect i dont know how many different times Ive tried to quote you to say that and yet you havent responded to it. Does my opinion factor in of course it does as does yours. I dont just rely on the draft mags or sites, I do my own research. Our most ugent spot was OT and there was not one there at 55 worth a pick. I maintain BAL reached for him at the end of the 2nd. Terry was a 3rd round prospect and how can you sit there and compare two players from completely different posistions, talk about an unfair comparison.I've already posted a report saying he is a 2nd rounder [ESPN]. If you want to post a report showing him as a 3rd rounder at best, let's see it.

What other research can you do besides read reports from other people? Unless you coached him or played with him that is all you can do as a fan.

I am not comparing them as players - I am comparing them as picks in relation to our needs. Two different things. And if you want to talk reach - show me a report that projected Preston in the 4th. Most I've read have said 5th or lower.

[DraftBoy]

Draft Notebook which is done by a professional scouting service doesnt even have Terry rated as one of the top 5 OT in the draft.

http://www.draftnotebook.com/prospect_ratings.htm

What other research can you do? You can watch video tape, I tivo'd alot of Auburn, Georgia, and LSU games to watch the players and teams, there are clips all over the internet if you bother to watch them.

Im not gonna say Preston was a reach at our pick in the 4th bc it was the perfect place to take a OC. Brown or Wilkerson being the only other two on the board I would consider (and I think you can agree with that). Brown went 2 picks later and Wilkerson's knee concerns have made him drop steadily here. So Preston as a reach not really, bc for the most part anybody attempting to project players beyond the top 20 are usually not correct. Like Anttaj Hawthorne who was a 1st-2nd round prospect who just went in the 6th round.

[frank74]

Mr. C,
i agree with you man. i don't think preston was a horrible pick, but the fact of the matter is that we do not have a LT and i don't think mcnally knows something we don't. when he came to buffalo he said, "don't expect any miracles." so, if that was the case, then why do we continue to neglect the OL. And what about depth, doesn't anyone see that we have no depth. If williams goes down or teague, then what? say what you want, believe what you wish but realize that once again, the OL has been neglected!

[HurryUpTom]

Draft Notebook which is done by a professional scouting service doesnt even have Terry rated as one of the top 5 OT in the draft.

http://www.draftnotebook.com/prospect_ratings.htm

What other research can you do? You can watch video tape, I tivo'd alot of Auburn, Georgia, and LSU games to watch the players and teams, there are clips all over the internet if you bother to watch them.

Im not gonna say Preston was a reach at our pick in the 4th bc it was the perfect place to take a OC. Brown or Wilkerson being the only other two on the board I would consider (and I think you can agree with that). Brown went 2 picks later and Wilkerson's knee concerns have made him drop steadily here. So Preston as a reach not really, bc for the most part anybody attempting to project players beyond the top 20 are usually not correct. Like Anttaj Hawthorne who was a 1st-2nd round prospect who just went in the 6th round.
Aren't you the one saying that Terry would have been a reach?

What about "So Preston as a reach not really, bc for the most part anybody attempting to project players beyond the top 20 are usually not correct."

Please use some consistency in your comments ... if you're going to say that projecting players beyond the top 20 is incorrect, than how can you say " I maintain BAL reached for him at the end of the 2nd".

[Mr. Cynical]

Mr. C,
i agree with you man. i don't think preston was a horrible pick, but the fact of the matter is that we do not have a LT and i don't think mcnally knows something we don't. when he came to buffalo he said, "don't expect any miracles." so, if that was the case, then why do we continue to neglect the OL. And what about depth, doesn't anyone see that we have no depth. If williams goes down or teague, then what? say what you want, believe what you wish but realize that once again, the OL has been neglected!
Good point about McNally's comment. I guess TD just doesn't want to listen to anyone but himself, because I can't believe McNally (given his comments) wouldn't have wanted TD to pick an OL with our #2. Obviously it is ultimately TD's call, but it really doesn't make sense. His other risky picks, e.g., WM, at least made sense because of the superstar potential.

[Mr. Cynical]

Aren't you the one saying that Terry would have been a reach?

What about "So Preston as a reach not really, bc for the most part anybody attempting to project players beyond the top 20 are usually not correct."

Please use some consistency in your comments ... if you're going to say that projecting players beyond the top 20 is incorrect, than how can you say " I maintain BAL reached for him at the end of the 2nd".
Good point.

[cordog]

Donahoe said they did not have Terry ranked near 55. TD didnt like him. Thats all there is to it. Time will tell if it was a mistake or not.

[Mr. Cynical]

Donahoe said they did not have Terry ranked near 55. TD didnt like him. Thats all there is to it. Time will tell if it was a mistake or not. I won't argue with that. Time will tell....along with the amount of grass stains on JP's back (kidding). I'm hoping for the best. But right now, all indicators point to it being a wrong decision IMO.

[Dozerdog]

Mr C wants to solve everything with one boad stroke each year.

I think He's Mike Brown Jr.

[Mr. Cynical]

Mr C wants to solve everything with one boad stroke each year.

I think He's Mike Brown Jr.
What major problem did he solve with Parrish?

[Mr. Cynical]

Mr C wants to solve everything with one boad stroke each year.

I think He's Mike Brown Jr.
Or let me ask you this... if both Terry and Parrish pan out, who would be more helpful to the Bills?

[HurryUpTom]

Donahoe said they did not have Terry ranked near 55. TD didnt like him. Thats all there is to it. Time will tell if it was a mistake or not.What is Tom Donahoe supposed to say? There is more thought that goes into the draft than just who the best available player is. You also have to consider the likelihood to get a similar player at the same spot in a later round, how his chemistry will fit in with your team, and many, many other items.

For instance, let's say that Donahoe had Terry ranked higher, but the dropoff after Parrish was greater than the dropoff after Terry. Now, what would you expect Donahoe to say to the press, "Well, Terry was actually the better player, but we're hoping that we'll get someone almost as good later." Now that will be comforting to your incoming 2nd rounder.

It's just like his comment before the draft that he still felt good about Reed as a receiver ... and then went out and drafted a WR in the second.

People read way, way, way too much into what Donahoe, and other GMs, say to the press.

[Dozerdog]

What major problem did he solve with Parrish?
If Parrish pans out- then great! I don't see an issue with the pick.

[Mr. Cynical]

It's just like his comment before the draft that he still felt good about Reed as a receiver ... and then went out and drafted a WR in the second.
Not only a WR but a slot WR to boot.

[Mr. Cynical]

If Parrish pans out- then great! I don't see an issue with the pick.
The issue is that our hole at LT is alot more threatening than our slot WR position. If we go into the season without a legit LT (and that means someone not currently on the team, then IMHO it is going to be a long season for JP and the offense.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Good point about McNally's comment. I guess TD just doesn't want to listen to anyone but himself, because I can't believe McNally (given his comments) wouldn't have wanted TD to pick an OL with our #2. Obviously it is ultimately TD's call, but it really doesn't make sense. His other risky picks, e.g., WM, at least made sense because of the superstar potential.
If you had read the article on offensive linemen and coaches by P.Kirwin from NFL.com that I posted twice last week, you would have seen the following statement:

"There's a whole group of these O-line coaches who don't want any high draft picks. Renowned line specialists like Alex Gibbs and Jim McNally would prefer second-day picks that they choose themselves."
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8387948

Since anyone reading the article would realize that Kirwin had obviously gotten some input from people familiar with McNally (indeed, possibly McNally, himself), it is quite likely that this statement was an accurate reflection of what McNally's thinking on this point actually is.That being the case, how can you possibly make the statement underlined in the quote above? Do you know more about what Coach McNally's thinking is about this than P.Kirwin did when he wrote his article? If so, please present some supporting information for your statement.

In my opinion, whether I agree with McNally's described approach or not (and, BTW, I don't necessarily subscribe to it), it would appear that P.Kirwin's article offers some insight into McNally's thinking on this issue. That being the case, it should come as no surprise to anyone who read the article that the Bills did not take an offensive lineman on Day One of the draft and chose to pass on A.Terry (and a lot of other highly rated O-linemen) when they could have taken him.

Given the fact that everyone who knows anything about the Bills knows that the weakest part of the team is its offensive line, do I agree with the way that the team has addressed the problem in this draft? NO! As a matter of fact, I do not! I would have done things very differently were I in TD's shoes. But, this is the philosophy of the Bills' offensive line coach and what he wants the team to do. And, since I can't argue with his overall record of success doing things that way, I'm going to have to accept that there may be a method to his apparent madness.

I'm not particularly happy with the Bills' picks in this draft and, yes, I was screaming at the TV and computer when they made their picks. But, that's a very different thing from stating unequivocally, as you have done, that the Coach McNally must have wanted the Bills to take an offensive lineman in the 2nd Round when all evidence points to the contrary--you may want to believe what you have said, but your desire to believe it does not make it a fact.

[Mr. Cynical]

I'm not particularly happy with the Bills' picks in this draft and, yes, I was screaming at the TV and computer when they made their picks. But, that's a very different thing from stating unequivocally, as you have done, that the Coach McNally must have wanted the Bills to take an offensive lineman in the 2nd Round when all evidence points to the contrary--you may want to believe what you have said, but your desire to believe it does not make it a fact. I wrote:

"I guess TD just doesn't want to listen to anyone but himself, because I can't believe McNally (given his comments) wouldn't have wanted TD to pick an OL with our #2."

Where did I state it was unequivocal or fact? Please read more carefully next time before you put words into my mouth.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

I wrote:

"I guess TD just doesn't want to listen to anyone but himself, because I can't believe McNally (given his comments) wouldn't have wanted TD to pick an OL with our #2."

Where did I state it was unequivocal or fact? Please read more carefully next time before you put words into my mouth.
My apologies.

Like you, I am not particularly happy with the way that the Bills have proceeded in this draft and I missed that and let my short-temper today get the best of me. Sorry!

Still, I think that the point is that, whether we like it or not, McNally doesn't want to work with those first day picks that we all--myself included--want the Bills to take. We can scream about that, but he's the one who is telling TD what he wants and is the one who has to work with those guys. The only thing that gives me some hope here is that I've seen him produce by doing this before, so I can continue to hope and believe that he will do so with the Bills.

It doesn't make me comfortable, either, but that's just the way it is.

[Mr. Cynical]

My apologies.

Like you, I am not particularly happy with the way that the Bills have proceeded in this draft and I missed that and let my short-temper today get the best of me. Sorry!

Still, I think that the point is that, whether we like it or not, McNally doesn't want to work with those first day picks that we all--myself included--want the Bills to take. We can scream about that, but he's the one who is telling TD what he wants and is the one who has to work with those guys. The only thing that gives me some hope here is that I've seen him produce by doing this before, so I can continue to hope and believe that he will do so with the Bills.

It doesn't make me comfortable, either, but that's just the way it is. No worries. It's all good. :cheers:

I just think that this just wasn't a good draft in most respects and many "experts" seem to feel the same. However, I'm okay with waiting to see them play before saying anything about the players themselves. They could turn out well. But the only way I will feel better about taking Parrish in the 2nd instead of Terry (or another OL) is if they all bust and Parrish does well.....or if TD pulls a rabbit out of his arse and gets a legit LT before the season starts via some trade.

The fact remains that LT is our most dire need and we still do not have an answer. We didn't "need" another WR...if Parrish does well, that's icing. But if a guy like Terry succeeds you have a major problem fixed. Now we'll never know.

[askabry]

You'll never know?

Wow. Sage words. Let's continue to draw comparisons between someone that was a reach at the bottom of the second round, our pick at 55, and the pick at 122. Because, of course, that makes all the sense in the world.

[Mr. Cynical]

You'll never know?

Wow. Sage words. Let's continue to draw comparisons between someone that was a reach at the bottom of the second round, our pick at 55, and the pick at 122. Because, of course, that makes all the sense in the world.
If you can't understand the correlation of picking Parrish in the 2nd instead of Terry and then picking Preston to "fix" what is the most pressing need on the team, I don't know what else to say.

[cordog]

What is Tom Donahoe supposed to say? There is more thought that goes into the draft than just who the best available player is. You also have to consider the likelihood to get a similar player at the same spot in a later round, how his chemistry will fit in with your team, and many, many other items.

For instance, let's say that Donahoe had Terry ranked higher, but the dropoff after Parrish was greater than the dropoff after Terry. Now, what would you expect Donahoe to say to the press, "Well, Terry was actually the better player, but we're hoping that we'll get someone almost as good later." Now that will be comforting to your incoming 2nd rounder.

It's just like his comment before the draft that he still felt good about Reed as a receiver ... and then went out and drafted a WR in the second.

People read way, way, way too much into what Donahoe, and other GMs, say to the press.

Wow, all i said was TD didnt have Terry ranked near 55 and you turn it into a conspiracy theory. How am I reading too much into it? He said they didnt have terry ranked near 55. They obviously didnt like Terry as much as some armchair GMs around here did or THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN HIM!

[Mr. Cynical]

Wow, all i said was TD didnt have Terry ranked near 55 and you turn it into a conspiracy theory. How am I reading too much into it? He said they didnt have terry ranked near 55. They obviously didnt like Terry as much as some armchair GMs around here did or THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN HIM!
I agree that they didn't have him ranked as high as Parrish, or else they would have taken him. The question is why they didn't rank him that high. I still haven't seen any evidence suggesting he wasn't worth a #2. And even if Parrish graded out higher than Terry, I still think you need to consider the impact of an LT vs. a slot WR for our team. From that perspective, I'd give up a little on the ranking comparisons. But it's all water under the collapsing bridge now so... :;

[Novacane]

So then can we assume you would prefer us having reached for Terry at 55? And you would not of have complained at all about us reaching for a player who is not worth the value? Can we say that about you?


I've seen draft guides that say Parrish was a reach.

[SABURZFAN]

i can't believe we let justin miller-CB-Clemson get by.so he makes a little noise...BIG DEAL!!!!!

[SABURZFAN]

I've seen draft guides that say Parrish was a reach.


don't get the wanna-be-know-it alls going.

[askabry]

You're so right; there isn't anything else to say. As Mel Kiper would put it, you clearly don't understand what the draft is about. And that is to say, it's all about what represents a value pick.


Terry didn't represent value and I for one would have been disappointed to take a third round guy in that slot. We got what looks like a productive, impact player ... somebody that could make defenses react this year.

There's no way I would have started Terry this year at LT with a rookie QB. If nothing else, seeing Parrish will hopefully mean the end of seeing Josh Reed drop passes all year long on third down.

[Mr. Cynical]

You're so right; there isn't anything else to say. As Mel Kiper would put it, you clearly don't understand what the draft is about. And that is to say, it's all about what represents a value pick. What you don't seem to understand is that value is relative. If both Parrish and Terry turn out to be worth their 2nd round picks, the relative value of having a solid LT is far greater than having a solid slot WR relative to the Bills' needs.

[colin]

If you remember, we had a bad O line in 02, drew was our QB, but our O was very very good. they faltered late in the year, and henry put the rock on the carpet on a regular basis, but it was still a potent O. The biggest weakness in most people's opinion was that our O went for the big play too much, and was under pressue because of a terrible D and special teams that gave us about the fewest posessions and worst average start in the nfl that year.

fast forward 1 and 2 years and we have an O that seem to be more efficient, a touch smarter, and much much better D and special teams, but the biggest change is A LACK OF WEAPONS.

the fall off from 02 to 03 was because we lost our best TE, a pass catching fullback, our 2nd best WR, and put a guy like Reed who is an OK role player into a position where he just can't do well.

while a great O line would be super, you can't just add 3 or four guys the calibre of Price, Reimersma, and Centers and expect to dominate in the scrum, it takes time and patience.

the way this team is thinking this draft: we can't get a guy for the line who will be much better than what we have, certainly not to the extent it warrents a day 1 pick, but we can get some weapons that we have lacked since 02.

with losman making plays with his legs, steady play from our line, mcgahee getting better and better, and our top 4 WRs compares with who we had in 02, and we now have some ability at TE, we should get some more big plays and yards from our O.

pluggin in a couple of day one tackles and guards might make us slightly more robust at the line, but if you remember when our TEs went down last year we went from using them (friggin campbell had 3 TDs in one game against Miami for cripes sakes) to having the D bunched up on us and shutting us down.

Now we can go 3 wide or double TE and have at least 2 guys who just won't be matched up by the D.

throw in a QB with very high athletic ability, and we should make it hard to play us.

this was pitts O with kordel under Mularkay, but we will have a lesser O line and more weapons. NE runs a weapons rich and relatively O line poor O too, with tiny little WRs and athletic tight ends, we are taking a page from each of the best teams in the AFC's books

[Bert102176]

look at all these players that were selected a few rounds before they were projected to go, hell Clarrett went in the 3rd he should have been a 5th or 6th rounder, I would have like Terry too but we didn't get him so we deal with what we got I really like the Everrett pick though

[mysticsoto]

i can't believe we let justin miller-CB-Clemson get by.so he makes a little noise...BIG DEAL!!!!!
I can't believe it either! He could have given us good depth AND insurance if we lose NC.

The worst part is we could have forced the Jets to pick a lower ranked CB. Instead, we let him go and the Jets grab him. Boy would it suck if he intercepts a couple of JP's balls this year to let us know what we lost in not grabbing him!!!

[Earthquake Enyart]

I'm going to wait and see what Mark Weiler says about all of this before I get too excited.

[The Spaz]

I can't believe it either! He could have given us good depth AND insurance if we lose NC.

I can believe it there must be reasons why everyother team passed on him multiple times until the Jets took him.

[The Spaz]

I'm going to wait and see what Mark Weiler says about all of this before I get too excited.

:rofl::lol:

[Dozerdog]

Cyn- Trust me- if a worthy LT was there at 55, TD would have picked one.

Adam Terry is a flashy name, but he can't run block very well.


Lots of noise for a guy with half a game.

[TedMock]

Cyn- Trust me- if a worthy LT was there at 55, TD would have picked one.

Adam Terry is a flashy name, but he can't run block very well.


Lots of noise for a guy with half a game.

Word out here (Maryland) is that they're going to try Terry at guard first.

[ddaryl]

I think the Bills feel Peters, Gusmudsen, Teague, McFarland, and Gandy all will be better at LT then either Terry or Shelton.

[BuffaloRanger]

fast forward 1 and 2 years and we have an O that seem to be more efficient, a touch smarter, and much much better D and special teams, but the biggest change is A LACK OF WEAPONS.

the fall off from 02 to 03 was because we lost our best TE, a pass catching fullback, our 2nd best WR, and put a guy like Reed who is an OK role player into a position where he just can't do well.



NO! The falloff happened because Idiot TD let those guys walk. He refused to re sign them. TD refused to resign 35% of the offense. That's why there was the falloff.

Drafting for need is not a bad thing. It's much better than drafting the best player available. If a QB was the best player available would the Bills have to pick him? Of course not. Teams should draft the best player available at a need position. WR wasn't a need. Oline was AND STILL IS BY THE WAY.

[BuffaloRanger]

QUESTION: What do fans on this board and Tom Donahoe have in common?

ANSWER: Neither has guided a NFL team into the playoffs in the last 7 years!

If the Bills do not make the playoffs this season, TD HAS TO BE FIRED!! NO MORE EXCUSES!

[mysticsoto]

I can believe it there must be reasons why everyother team passed on him multiple times until the Jets took him.
I don't know...everything that I've read on him seems pretty good. He has things to work on like anyone else but...


Here's what nfldraftcountdown.com said about him:

Listed as #6 best:

<table align="center" border="0" height="175" width="70%"> <tbody><tr bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"><td colspan="3">Strengths: Playmaker in the secondary...Has great ball skills and a knack for making the big play...Very good speed and quickness...Fluid hips in coverage...Excellent athletic ability...Has a lot of experience despite being just a true junior...A threat to score every time he touches the ball...Physical and likes to hit...Also a dynamic return man.</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> <td colspan="3">Weaknesses: Only average size...Had a down year as a sophomore...Gambles too much in an effort to make the big play...Inconsistent and will lose his concentration...Had some off the field problems...Can be too confident for his own good.</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top"> <td colspan="3">Notes: Has just about everything the NFL is look for in a top cornerback...Not a finished product by any means, but a playmaker like this won't last long come Draft Day '05.</td></tr></tbody> </table>

billsreport.com listed him as #5 best with 3 stars


And his profile from nfl.com:

An exciting big-play specialist. 4.43 in the 40-yard dash … 36-inch vertical jump … 330-pound bench press … 260-pound power clean.
Positives: Has a lean, but muscular frame with good arm definition, tight waist, good bubble and knotted calves … Has excellent timed speed and is fluid and light on his feet … Looks graceful working in space, showing fluid change of direction agility and very good acceleration coming out of his breaks … Tough competitor with a winning temperament … Shows good ball recognition skills and has no problems taking the plays from the board to the field (earned conference academic honors) … Can diagnose the play without hesitation and has good instincts locating the ball … Shows good plant-and-drive skills with a very good burst to close … Has the ability to close on receivers, showing quickness coming out of his breaks … Gets good elevation going up for the ball and has the hands and aggressive nature to take the ball away from receivers … Has good hip swivel and body control in transition, possessing a fluid backpedal … Shows good zone awareness and the speed to quickly cover ground, but could whip his head around quicker on turns … Can snatch or pluck the high throws and displays the ability to secure the ball away from the body's frame … Opens his hips properly and has the burst to stay with receivers on long routes … Despite a lack of ideal power, he can deliver crunching open-field tackles and is good at attacking the ball and causing fumbles.

Negatives: Showed marked improvement in 2004 after having a poor season as a tackler in 2003 … Makes a good effort to take the receivers and ball carriers down, but is more of a collision type tackler and lacks proper wrap-up technique … Quick to spot the ball, but will get a little over aggressive and this causes him to out-run the play … Does give good effort in run support, but is best making tackles on the move, as he lacks the strength and bulk to face up to blockers at the point of attack … Needs to use his hands better to shed … When he tries to fill the rush lane, he lacks the "sand in his pants" to take on the offensive linemen … When he goes low to make the tackle, he will usually miss … Good striker, but lunges at the opponent rather than get position before making the hit (will knock the ballcarrier back when he gets a good bead on him, though) … Has good man coverage skills, but needs to stay on the receiver's up-field shoulder on climbing drags and slants.

[Billsouth]

If you remember, we had a bad O line in 02, drew was our QB, but our O was very very good. they faltered late in the year, and henry put the rock on the carpet on a regular basis, but it was still a potent O. The biggest weakness in most people's opinion was that our O went for the big play too much, and was under pressue because of a terrible D and special teams that gave us about the fewest posessions and worst average start in the nfl that year.

fast forward 1 and 2 years and we have an O that seem to be more efficient, a touch smarter, and much much better D and special teams, but the biggest change is A LACK OF WEAPONS.

the fall off from 02 to 03 was because we lost our best TE, a pass catching fullback, our 2nd best WR, and put a guy like Reed who is an OK role player into a position where he just can't do well.

while a great O line would be super, you can't just add 3 or four guys the calibre of Price, Reimersma, and Centers and expect to dominate in the scrum, it takes time and patience.

the way this team is thinking this draft: we can't get a guy for the line who will be much better than what we have, certainly not to the extent it warrents a day 1 pick, but we can get some weapons that we have lacked since 02.

with losman making plays with his legs, steady play from our line, mcgahee getting better and better, and our top 4 WRs compares with who we had in 02, and we now have some ability at TE, we should get some more big plays and yards from our O.

pluggin in a couple of day one tackles and guards might make us slightly more robust at the line, but if you remember when our TEs went down last year we went from using them (friggin campbell had 3 TDs in one game against Miami for cripes sakes) to having the D bunched up on us and shutting us down.

Now we can go 3 wide or double TE and have at least 2 guys who just won't be matched up by the D.

throw in a QB with very high athletic ability, and we should make it hard to play us.

this was pitts O with kordel under Mularkay, but we will have a lesser O line and more weapons. NE runs a weapons rich and relatively O line poor O too, with tiny little WRs and athletic tight ends, we are taking a page from each of the best teams in the AFC's books



VERY WELL SAID. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE :bf1: :goodpost:

[Mr. Cynical]

Drafting for need is not a bad thing. It's much better than drafting the best player available. If a QB was the best player available would the Bills have to pick him? Of course not. Teams should draft the best player available at a need position. WR wasn't a need. Oline was AND STILL IS BY THE WAY.
Great analogy with the QB example. The only way you pick a player that is not a need position is if that player is a superstar that you just can't pass up. I don't think anyone here or anywhere else for that matter puts Parrish in that category.

[Mr. Cynical]

Cyn- Trust me- if a worthy LT was there at 55, TD would have picked one.

Adam Terry is a flashy name, but he can't run block very well.


Lots of noise for a guy with half a game.
I want to believe that you're right, and in all probability you are right. They are the "pros". But I just can't see it from my end....what can I say.

As for Terry's run blocking, assuming he isn't that great at it....I wouldn't care that much given I would be putting him at LT. Pass protection is more important at that position.

Anyway, hopefully Terry is a bust so there's no regrets. :up: