All Bills coaches ranked from dumbest to smartest.

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  • TigerJ
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 22575

    All Bills coaches ranked from dumbest to smartest.

    Here's an offseason discussion starter. Coaches ranked, dumbest to smartest, with comments.

    1. (Dumbest) John Rauch - used OJ Simpson as a decoy in his offence.

    2. Hank Bullough - The Yogi Berra of football coaches, had trouble speaking English even though he was a native born American.

    3. Harvey Johnson - He was strictly an interim coach on two separate occasions. Not much was expected of him, and predictably, he didn't deliver much.

    4. Wade Phillips - Even if he believed it was true, it was the height of idiocy to tell the press that Chris Watson was more of a "punt catcher."

    5. Kaye Stephenson - The short Stephenson era was characterized by general ineptitude.

    6. Gregg Williams - "This team, right now, can win the Super Bowl." He hired inexperienced assistants who didn't threaten him, and then the first experienced assistant he hired was Kevin Gilbride.

    7. Buster Ramsey - Admittedly, I know virtually nothing about him, but his short tenure indicates he probably wasn't too good.

    8. Jim Ringo - As a head coach, he was a very good offensive line coach.

    9. Chuck Knox - He wasn't a bad coach, but didn't have a lot of football imagination.

    10. Joe Collier - Replacing a resigning Lou Saban, he nearly led the Bills to a Super Bowl in his first year. Alas, his second season started out poorly and he was quickly, maybe too quickly fired. He had a solid defensive mind.

    11. Mike Mularkey - To be perfectly honest, it's not really fair to rate him yet, but to this point he hasn't made many major gaffes. He appears to have hired a highly qualified staff of assistants, and to my untrained eyes looks to have the team moving in the right direction.

    12. Lou Saban - He knew how to build a winner. Unfortunately he didn't know how to stay in one place for very long. He was the "Larry Brown" of football coaches, always having to move around. He coached the Bills twice, leading the Bills to back to back AFC championships in 1964 and 1965. Then he came back to rescue the Bills from the Rauch debacle. He figured out that the way to use OJ Simpson was to give him the ball, and led the Bills to the playoffs in 1974.

    13. Marv Levy - With a masters degree in English literature from Harvard University, one could hardly call the guy "dumb." His genius lay in several areas. He was a fine administrator. He had a knack for handling prima dona personalities and getting them to buy into a team concept, and he knew his limitations. He knew he wasn't a brilliant Xs and Os guy, so he brought in people who were, then let them do their job. One also has to give him credit for learning from his mistakes. He was not a great head coach when he served in that capacity for the KC Chiefs. He was able to change and put things together when he came to Buffalo.

    I think that's the whole list. If I left someone out feel free to correct me or express a different oppinion about the right order.
    I've made up my mind. Don't confuse me with the facts.

    I'm the most reasonable poster here. If you don't agree, I'll be forced to have a hissy fit.
  • Turf
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 8378

    #2
    Interesting thread. I don't think I have enough energy to change anything. Maybe Knox ought to be moved up. Actually most Bills head coaches I recall were useless except for Saban, Knox, and Levy.
    Lou Saban: You can get it done, you can get it done. And what’s more, you’ve gotta get it done.

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    • AndreReed83
      Dink or dunk, Mularkey just plain stunk.
      • Mar 2004
      • 1621

      #3
      I think Phillips is a pretty good coach actually. Although he did make some dumb choices as the head coach, he would have done far better then G. Williams with the same players, in my opinion.


      "Look it up Thurman!!!" ~Marv Levy~
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      • The_Philster
        Registered User
        • Jul 2002
        • 52180

        #4
        Originally posted by TigerJ
        4. Wade Phillips - Even if he believed it was true, it was the height of idiocy to tell the press that Chris Watson was more of a "punt catcher.".
        Let's not forget he also wrote off the 2000 season with about 3 games to play..we were tied with the Colts going into a matchup with them...he said we were out of it...we lost to the Colts that night and they won out and made the playoffs
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        • YardRat
          Well, lookie here...
          • Dec 2004
          • 86266

          #5
          It speaks volumes about the Bills coaching history that a guy with one year under his belt is already ranked in the top three.
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          • TigerJ
            Registered User
            • Jul 2002
            • 22575

            #6
            Originally posted by YardRat
            It speaks volumes about the Bills coaching history that a guy with one year under his belt is already ranked in the top three.
            That's probably wishful thinking on my part. I could see Knox being ranked a bit higher, and maybe even Wade. I always thought Wade's limited success was more due to left over momentum from the Levy years than anything he did. If Knox were moved up a bit, then Mularkey would be moved down a couple notches.
            I've made up my mind. Don't confuse me with the facts.

            I'm the most reasonable poster here. If you don't agree, I'll be forced to have a hissy fit.

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            • Earthquake Enyart
              Legendary Zoner
              • Jul 2002
              • 27521

              #7
              Knox was way better than Collier or Mullarkey.

              Ringo and Stephenson were way worse.

              Rauch
              Johnson
              Stephenson
              Ringo
              Bullough
              Williams
              Mullarkey
              Ramsey
              Wade
              Collier
              Knox
              Saban
              Levy

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              • Historian
                2020-2023 AFC East Champions!
                • Dec 2002
                • 61873

                #8
                Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
                Knox was way better than Collier or Mullarkey.
                I agree with that. He cut his teeth with Weeb in the AFL. His Bills teams were pretty good in an era where Ralph simply didn't want to spend money.

                Ringo and Stephenson were way worse.
                Ringo was a HOF player, and a great line coach, but a terrible HC. I'll give Stevenson a bit of a pass, as he lost Kelly, Cribbs, and a host of others to the USFL. I used to love his line..."I saw a lot of character out there today." after every loss.

                Rauch
                Johnson
                Stephenson
                Ringo
                Bullough
                Williams
                Mullarkey
                Ramsey
                Wade
                Collier
                Knox
                Saban
                Levy
                This would be my list:

                Johnson
                Bullough
                Williams
                Rauch
                Ringo
                Pitts
                Stephenson
                Ramsey
                Mullarkey (and climbing!)
                Collier
                Wade
                Knox
                Saban
                Levy

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                • Earthquake Enyart
                  Legendary Zoner
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 27521

                  #9
                  I vividly remember going to a Raider game in the Stephenson era. Before the game, Al Davis would stalk the field as the players were warming up. Stephenson tried to look tough, standing at the 50 with his arms crossed as Davis walked by... It was silly.

                  The Bills were way down, then right at the end, they blocked a punt and ran it in, the next KO, the Raider dropped it and the BIlls got another quick TD... They scored 2 or 3 TD's in about 1 minute to tie it up. Then the Raiders drove it down the field to get the FG to win as time expired.

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                  • Historian
                    2020-2023 AFC East Champions!
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 61873

                    #10
                    I was there, EE.

                    November 20, 1983.

                    Raiders 27
                    Bills 24

                    The Bills were 7-4 going into that game, then lost to the Raiders, Rams, 49ers and Falcons to finish out of the hunt at 8-8.

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                    • djjimkelly
                      Registered User
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 7045

                      #11
                      i think wade was a pretty solid coach if not for the fluite RJ fiasco he might have stayed our coach for a long time

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                      • Jan Reimers
                        Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
                        • May 2003
                        • 17353

                        #12
                        I loved Jim Ringo as a player - he was one of the best ever to come out of Syracuse - but I'd rank him down with Johnson, Bulloch and Ramsey on the ineptitude scale. Roush was one of those guys who was so clever that he outsmarted himself in his use of OJ.
                        Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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                        • TigerJ
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 22575

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Billsology
                          I agree with that. He cut his teeth with Weeb in the AFL. His Bills teams were pretty good in an era where Ralph simply didn't want to spend money.



                          Ringo was a HOF player, and a great line coach, but a terrible HC. I'll give Stevenson a bit of a pass, as he lost Kelly, Cribbs, and a host of others to the USFL. I used to love his line..."I saw a lot of character out there today." after every loss.



                          This would be my list:

                          Johnson
                          Bullough
                          Williams
                          Rauch
                          Ringo
                          Pitts
                          Stephenson
                          Ramsey
                          Mullarkey (and climbing!)
                          Collier
                          Wade
                          Knox
                          Saban
                          Levy

                          I see you list a "Pitts." I assume you mean Elijah Pitts. When did he serve as a head coach. I checked through the Chrionological history pretty closely on the official site and didn't see him listed as a head coach. Did he coach a couple games when Levy was out for health reasons?
                          I've made up my mind. Don't confuse me with the facts.

                          I'm the most reasonable poster here. If you don't agree, I'll be forced to have a hissy fit.

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                          • Historian
                            2020-2023 AFC East Champions!
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 61873

                            #14
                            Originally posted by TigerJ
                            I see you list a "Pitts." I assume you mean Elijah Pitts. When did he serve as a head coach. I checked through the Chrionological history pretty closely on the official site and didn't see him listed as a head coach. Did he coach a couple games when Levy was out for health reasons?
                            Yes. While Levy was having his prostrate surgery.

                            He was interim head coach on:

                            10/23/95 at New England (L) 14-27
                            10/29/95 at Miami (L) 6-23
                            11/5/95 Indianapolis (W) 16-10

                            Marv returned on 11/12/95 at home against Atlanta

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                            • Historian
                              2020-2023 AFC East Champions!
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 61873

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Jan Reimers
                              I loved Jim Ringo as a player - he was one of the best ever to come out of Syracuse - but I'd rank him down with Johnson, Bulloch and Ramsey on the ineptitude scale.
                              As a head coach, yea, he clearly wasn't cut out to be the head man.

                              As an offensive line coach, he may well be the best ever at the position.

                              He built and coached The Electric Company.

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