Ravens Defense

[The King]

All I keep hearing is how much of a force the "new" 46 Ravens Defense is going to be. The talk about the dominant line, Ray Lewis, Suggs and the beefed up secondary. Granted the Ravens D is always dominant but I just dont see this unit living up to the hype.

Ravens D (http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article.jsp?id=1139)

What does everyone think.... Best in the league or flop?

[OpIv37]

Their D will be very good once again this year, but I don't see how much better they can get. Plus, with Kyle Boller running the O, the D is likely to be on the field for large portions of the game. After 40 minutes of playing time, it doesn't matter how good your D is because your opponents will be able to run the ball right down your throat on every play (remember the '03 night game against the Fish?).

[kbeath]

They are going to be special. With there dfensive backfield. There D is going to be stupid! They got a healthier than last year Deion. And say what you want I know he is no NEON anymore but he is the best Nickle back in football period. They should be fun to watch defensively but Offensively they will prob still sux.

[The King]

I would not say Deion is the best nickel back by anymeans.

[ublinkwescore]

nah our d will still finish top three this year, and ahead of the ravens again.

[Rhettoric]

They are putting in a NEW system. I don't care how great their defensive roster is its going to take time for them to learn all the ins and outs of the 46 scheme. I think they will get better as the year goes on, but I don't see them being much better than they were last year. 2006 may be a different story though...

[OpIv37]

They are putting in a NEW system. I don't care how great their defensive roster is its going to take time for them to learn all the ins and outs of the 46 scheme. I think they will get better as the year goes on, but I don't see them being much better than they were last year. 2006 may be a different story though...

except that Ed Reed and Ray Lewis will both be up for new contracts before '06 and they just renewed Todd Heap- something will have to give.

[Devin]

I think if you have Lewis, Reed, and Suggs in any D scheme they will be a force. The 4-6 will be a new system but it may also throw offenses for a loop.

[OpIv37]

Either way, it won't matter much to us- we don't play the Ravens this year, unless by some miracle we end up meeting them in the playoffs.

[Voltron]

With the Talent they have they are still going to be nasty. I know Ray has lost a step but he is still one of the best. Their secondary is going to be pretty good too. I think that the 46 will actually help them because they are kind of soft in the middle of their line and the strength of the team (like the Bills) is the line backers.

[Jan Reimers]

Ray Lewis is somewhat overrated at this point in his career, and Deion is a joke. I don't think their D line is all that special, either.

[thebuffalobills4]

All I keep hearing is how much of a force the "new" 46 Ravens Defense is going to be. The talk about the dominant line, Ray Lewis, Suggs and the beefed up secondary. Granted the Ravens D is always dominant but I just dont see this unit living up to the hype.

Ravens D (http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article.jsp?id=1139)

What does everyone think.... Best in the league or flop?
all i know is that the ravens d is going to be in the top ten this yr.but all they care about is there d.they need to start working on their offence more than there d.they can't expect to win all their games with their d.
:goodpost:

[wchutalkinboutwillis]

I predict they'll be top 10 but a step back from last year. Lewis is still one of the best but he's beyond his prime. Isn't Deion like 38 yrs old? Playing DB? The guy is pure hype at this point in his career.

[kbeath]

I predict they'll be top 10 but a step back from last year. Lewis is still one of the best but he's beyond his prime. Isn't Deion like 38 yrs old? Playing DB? The guy is pure hype at this point in his career.Pure HYPE? 3 ints 1 ran back for TD in 25% of plays.
Do you watch football? Deion is THE BEST nickelback in the whole league. He came fresh out of retirement which hurt him physically, which is why he got injured. He had three picks and took one back to the house. Remember he only played in 25% of there offensive snaps last year and was very solid. Dont tell me age because he is still very fast and Darrell Green played Dback until he was over 40. He made one of the prettiest ints last year in the end zone over the shoulder.

[kbeath]

I would not say Deion is the best nickel back by anymeans.Great post!!!! How about naming one better!

[mysticsoto]

The Ravens might be better this year than some think. They do have some good/new WRs that could contribute much more - and Jamal Lewis is still there. Their D will keep them in games much like ours did last year. All the offense has to do is score once or twice and they will likely take the game!

[Crisis]

Great post!!!! How about naming one better!

Ricky Manning.

[The King]

Ray Lewis is somewhat overrated at this point in his career, and Deion is a joke. I don't think their D line is all that special, either.

Agreed I think Suggs and Reed are the stars of this Defense. I also think the defense is a little slow.

[wchutalkinboutwillis]

Pure HYPE? 3 ints 1 ran back for TD in 25% of plays.
Do you watch football? Deion is THE BEST nickelback in the whole league. He came fresh out of retirement which hurt him physically, which is why he got injured. He had three picks and took one back to the house. Remember he only played in 25% of there offensive snaps last year and was very solid. Dont tell me age because he is still very fast and Darrell Green played Dback until he was over 40. He made one of the prettiest ints last year in the end zone over the shoulder.
You obviously have an infatuation with Mr. Bling. 3 picks, 25% of plays? Let's start a parade.Who cares?? I only saw one of those picks and it was a lucky "right place at the right time" deal. He might be solid but he's only playing 25% of the plays for a reason. To put it another way, the best DB in the league plays at least 75% of the time. Now, let's talk about who the best DB in the league is because I wouldn't put Deion in the top 10. Unless, of course, we're strictly talking about DBacks that only play 25% of the snaps.

[DaBillzAhDaShiznit]

KBEATH,

You might want to reconsider your statement about Deion being the best nickel back in the NFL....if you want anyone to take you seriously. Not saying the Bills have a better nickel (honestly I would rather have Deion than K. Thomas), but dude.....Troy Brown is a better nickel back than Deion is. Honestly. The 25% of the plays stat has zero bearing on his ranking.
I like your defense, and I think it will be top 5 for sure, but I don't think Deion is one of the main reasons. Ed Reed is carrying the team like Ray used to. And Ray hasn't fallen off that much. I think they will miss Boulware though.

[Dicknoze69]

What about Aaron Glenn as the best nickleback ?

Deion's living off his name. He had a good game against us, but he needs to consistently produce to be the best 3rd CB.

[G. Host]

Deion can be beat but you need to be agressive - just run right at him until he gets "an injury" and goes out. He is only good at showboating and catching balls from WRs intimidated by him and his press now.

[mysticsoto]

KBEATH,

You might want to reconsider your statement about Deion being the best nickel back in the NFL....if you want anyone to take you seriously. Not saying the Bills have a better nickel (honestly I would rather have Deion than K. Thomas), but dude.....Troy Brown is a better nickel back than Deion is. Honestly. The 25% of the plays stat has zero bearing on his ranking.
I like your defense, and I think it will be top 5 for sure, but I don't think Deion is one of the main reasons. Ed Reed is carrying the team like Ray used to. And Ray hasn't fallen off that much. I think they will miss Boulware though.
Are you sure Kevin Thomas is our nickel? Or Jabari Greer?

[kbeath]

KBEATH,

You might want to reconsider your statement about Deion being the best nickel back in the NFL....if you want anyone to take you seriously. Not saying the Bills have a better nickel (honestly I would rather have Deion than K. Thomas), but dude.....Troy Brown is a better nickel back than Deion is. Honestly. The 25% of the plays stat has zero bearing on his ranking.
I like your defense, and I think it will be top 5 for sure, but I don't think Deion is one of the main reasons. Ed Reed is carrying the team like Ray used to. And Ray hasn't fallen off that much. I think they will miss Boulware though.Troy brown a better nickleback than Deion...You just showed how shallow your knowledge of football is. Deion is faster, can jump higher, catch almost as good and is far more experianced at db.
I really hope your not serious and aaron is close but come on people do better than that.

[kbeath]

You obviously have an infatuation with Mr. Bling. 3 picks, 25% of plays? Let's start a parade.Who cares?? I only saw one of those picks and it was a lucky "right place at the right time" deal. He might be solid but he's only playing 25% of the plays for a reason. To put it another way, the best DB in the league plays at least 75% of the time. Now, let's talk about who the best DB in the league is because I wouldn't put Deion in the top 10. Unless, of course, we're strictly talking about DBacks that only play 25% of the snaps.The man was injured so how can u talk about him playing a whole bunch of minutes. I wouldnt put him in the top 10 either but he is definatley the top Nickel. People said Manning ahahahhhhhaaaa come on people your what you call HATERS AND HOMERS. You are trying to disagree the man is as solid nickel corner as you can find.

[kbeath]

For those of you who think I am wrong Deion avg. more ints per game and Td's than Manning, Glenn, and Brown. And Troy Brown had 3 int and 1 Pass Defl. in 12 games hahahaha he is terrible. and Manning 4 ints in a whole season. Like I said Glenn is the best argument and still his ints per game and td per game are lower than Deion. And to the person who said "the ball went right to him" well damn that is prob. 90% of ints you still have to catch it and can you get it into the endzone. Deion CAN! If you just dont like him thats cool, I am not even a ravens fan but come on even and old
Deion is SOLID.

[The_Philster]

Are you sure Kevin Thomas is our nickel? Or Jabari Greer?It's Thomas...Greer comes in for dime situations.

[Voltron]

For those of you who think I am wrong Deion avg. more ints per game and Td's than Manning, Glenn, and Brown. And Troy Brown had 3 int and 1 Pass Defl. in 12 games hahahaha he is terrible. and Manning 4 ints in a whole season. Like I said Glenn is the best argument and still his ints per game and td per game are lower than Deion. And to the person who said "the ball went right to him" well damn that is prob. 90% of ints you still have to catch it and can you get it into the endzone. Deion CAN! If you just dont like him thats cool, I am not even a ravens fan but come on even and old
Deion is SOLID.
What are you his secret gay lover or something? :eek:

[wchutalkinboutwillis]

What are you his secret gay lover or something? :eek:
That's what I'm thinking. Once he said he wasn't even a Ravens fan.... That was the clincher. That really was the last piece to the puzzle. Yeah.

[Dicknoze69]

For those of you who think I am wrong Deion avg. more ints per game and Td's than Manning, Glenn, and Brown. And Troy Brown had 3 int and 1 Pass Defl. in 12 games hahahaha he is terrible. and Manning 4 ints in a whole season. Like I said Glenn is the best argument and still his ints per game and td per game are lower than Deion. And to the person who said "the ball went right to him" well damn that is prob. 90% of ints you still have to catch it and can you get it into the endzone. Deion CAN! If you just dont like him thats cool, I am not even a ravens fan but come on even and old
Deion is SOLID.

You ever heard of small sample size ? Deion may have had the most INT's per game, but it's also because he played the least. Your argument is similar to when a guy hits 3 HR opening day in baseball, and all of a sudden he is on pace for a million homers.

For him to be judged the best, he needs to play more. 5 games isn't an accurate enough picture. He very well may be the best, but I'm not giving him any award based on his name.

[wchutalkinboutwillis]

9 games played. 8 tackles. 3 picks. 2 passes defended. He's obviously the best. I just don't understand how he didn't make the pro-bowl. :shocked:

[colin]

they look good on paper, but i think we exceeded them in big play ability on D last season.

they they play pitts, cincy, and cleveland 2 times a year, those teams generally don't have good Os and over time have helped inflate the stats and reputation of the ravens D. we didn't do much against pitts last year, but our D just destroyed the browns and cleveland, particularly with big plays.

[mysticsoto]

they look good on paper, but i think we exceeded them in big play ability on D last season.

they they play pitts, cincy, and cleveland 2 times a year, those teams generally don't have good Os and over time have helped inflate the stats and reputation of the ravens D. we didn't do much against pitts last year, but our D just destroyed the browns and cleveland, particularly with big plays.
We exceeded everyone on turnovers...weren't we #1 in that category? Is the rank of defense solely based on yards allowed? Seems like they should come up with a formula that incorporates QB rushes, sacks, turnovers, yards allowed, points allowed, etc and not just focus on 1 thing!

[The King]

For those of you who think I am wrong Deion avg. more ints per game and Td's than Manning, Glenn, and Brown. And Troy Brown had 3 int and 1 Pass Defl. in 12 games hahahaha he is terrible. and Manning 4 ints in a whole season. Like I said Glenn is the best argument and still his ints per game and td per game are lower than Deion. And to the person who said "the ball went right to him" well damn that is prob. 90% of ints you still have to catch it and can you get it into the endzone. Deion CAN! If you just dont like him thats cool, I am not even a ravens fan but come on even and old
Deion is SOLID.

Deion used to be a ballhawk yes... But what stats dont show are missed tackles or the times Deion just flat out didnt go after his man. Deion can not hit and he cannot chase anyone down. He was great at what he did but he was/is not a complete defensive back.

[kbeath]

What are you his secret gay lover or something? :eek:You all may very well have one of the best D's.
Oh thats pretty clever...You are so right I am Deions Gay lover.... ARe you seriously that gay. What are you lookin for a date and hope I jump out the closet so you can shoot me an IM or a little cute rainbow colored email. Your secrets out! ahhhhhh what are you going to do?:sorry:
Deion at one time was far and away the best Coverage Corner to ever, EVER PLAY THE GAME. Yes he is no longer that player but I am sayin if and that is an IF he stays healthy all season he will be the best Nickel corner in Football. It seems as though alot of Homer ass Bills fans dont see that he still has some left in his tank. I love player haters, hes flashy and doesnt play for you all so you hate on him without even watching him. I am from Bmore so there games were always on he was very effective in man coverage against the nickel reciever. You all can say what you want, you either dont know or dont want to know that Deion is still a very solid DBack. Oh yeah and for all the Bills fans that make up stuff and then bash the wrong stuff,
Things I never said yet some of you keep implying I did that-
Deion is the Best Corner in the League
His Stats prove he is the Best
He is great against the run
He is in his prime
The ravens have the best D (although it may be)
The bills defense sucks
IS THERE ANY NON HOMER BILLS FANS THAT RELIZE THAT DEION IS A SOLID CORNER AND WITH A FULL YEAR COULD BE THE BEST 3RD CORNER IN THE AFC?

[DaBillzAhDaShiznit]

Troy brown a better nickleback than Deion...You just showed how shallow your knowledge of football is. Deion is faster, can jump higher, catch almost as good and is far more experianced at db.
I really hope your not serious and aaron is close but come on people do better than that.

No, I don't honestly think Troy Brown is better than Deion...but I honestly think that the two are closer in talent today than you think they are. I mean come on, Troy Brown is a WR for God's sake.

He had 3 picks in 12 games. Not bad for an older WR.

My point is that Deion is not a complete Nickel back at this point in his life. A ball hawk? Maybe, but not scary like he once was.

Let's see how he does this year.

[The King]

My point is that Deion is not a complete Nickel back at this point in his life. A ball hawk? Maybe, but not scary like he once was.

Let's see how he does this year.

Perfectly stated.

[kbeath]

No, I don't honestly think Troy Brown is better than Deion...but I honestly think that the two are closer in talent today than you think they are. I mean come on, Troy Brown is a WR for God's sake.

He had 3 picks in 12 games. Not bad for an older WR.

My point is that Deion is not a complete Nickel back at this point in his life. A ball hawk? Maybe, but not scary like he once was.

Let's see how he does this year.
Hey I do think that is fair to say that he is no longer scary but what is a complete Nickelback from your perspective. I dont know a team that he would not start for as a nickelback. That tells me that he is one of the best. Period.
Not that he is dominate like he used to be but isnt a ball hawk who doesnt get beat down field what you want from your nickelback. Most of the 3rd wr in the NFL arent going to fly down the seam they are usually the 3rd read which is a flash or slant or in or out which fits his style perfect. PS thank you for a decent opinion and not some rediculous nieve comment.

[Bill Brasky]

what is ridiculous is that there have been more dominant D's in the past few seasons, yet the freakin media can't stop taking "Raven's D Viagra"

[kbeath]

what is ridiculous is that there have been more dominant D's in the past few seasons, yet the freakin media can't stop taking "Raven's D Viagra"true true

[DaBillzAhDaShiznit]

Hey I do think that is fair to say that he is no longer scary but what is a complete Nickelback from your perspective. I dont know a team that he would not start for as a nickelback. That tells me that he is one of the best. Period.
Not that he is dominate like he used to be but isnt a ball hawk who doesnt get beat down field what you want from your nickelback. Most of the 3rd wr in the NFL arent going to fly down the seam they are usually the 3rd read which is a flash or slant or in or out which fits his style perfect. PS thank you for a decent opinion and not some rediculous nieve comment.

You won't get any argument from me that Deion would be the third CB for almost any team in the league. For those teams where he wouldn't, it would be a real close call, and maybe different once this season starts. We will have to see where he is physically. If he is close to 100% and can stay there all season, I thing your case is much stronger.

A complete nickelback, to me, is a guy who can play the pass well (Deion Can), read checkdowns and get a jump on slant routes and hooks (Deion does very well) give solid run support (Deion is very average to below average here) and be a solid tackler (never Deion's strong point).
The coaches know much more than I, and have determined that the potential liability for run support and tackling is outweighed by his pass coverage skills.

So, Deion is not a complete nickelback, but there are alot of guys who are worse than him playing in the NFL. The big question mark, again, is durability.

[kbeath]

You won't get any argument from me that Deion would be the third CB for almost any team in the league. For those teams where he wouldn't, it would be a real close call, and maybe different once this season starts. We will have to see where he is physically. If he is close to 100% and can stay there all season, I thing your case is much stronger.

A complete nickelback, to me, is a guy who can play the pass well (Deion Can), read checkdowns and get a jump on slant routes and hooks (Deion does very well) give solid run support (Deion is very average to below average here) and be a solid tackler (never Deion's strong point).
The coaches know much more than I, and have determined that the potential liability for run support and tackling is outweighed by his pass coverage skills.

So, Deion is not a complete nickelback, but there are alot of guys who are worse than him playing in the NFL. The big question mark, again, is durability.I agree..........finally. Good work with the comprimise.
heheh

[kbeath]

Now how come debills can admit to deion being decent but somany others just hate?

[Voltron]

You all may very well have one of the best D's.
Oh thats pretty clever...You are so right I am Deions Gay lover.... ARe you seriously that gay. What are you lookin for a date and hope I jump out the closet so you can shoot me an IM or a little cute rainbow colored email. Your secrets out! ahhhhhh what are you going to do?:sorry:

It's called sarcasm :rolleyes:... based on the fact that you are not a ravens fan yet you go out of your way to defend a guy who is all but washed up.

He was brought in to keep ticket sales and TV ratings up.

[wchutalkinboutwillis]

Deion used to be a ballhawk yes... But what stats dont show are missed tackles or the times Deion just flat out didnt go after his man. Deion can not hit and he cannot chase anyone down. He was great at what he did but he was/is not a complete defensive back.
Absolutely. The guy WAS very talented but his abilities were centered around speed and instinct. Those are two key traits but once he realized the ball wasn't in his hands, he pretty much gave up on the play. He was also a complete wimp when it came time to tackle somebody. He's a master of self promotion but he does it without pissing a lot of people off. That's why most are willing to overlook his weaknesses.

[colin]

i think sanders is a guy who will kill you if a bad pass goes his way, and might be able to disrupt plays where the 3rd WR is a target, but he is exploitable on a big match up (he cannot stop short safe plays to strong WRs) and essentially leaves only 10 tacklers on a draw.

he's a situational asset to the ravens, but if you go 3 wide on third and 5 and go off tackle on a draw if the d is running up field to pass rush you might just get a big play.

the ravens are one of the few teams with the LB speed to account for that, but some good play calling will target deon with a run.

i'd really like to play the ravens again, with the re match at the ralph.

[kbeath]

It's called sarcasm :rolleyes:... based on the fact that you are not a ravens fan yet you go out of your way to defend a guy who is all but washed up.

He was brought in to keep ticket sales and TV ratings up.
So you understand sarcasm but cant take a joke:nuk:
What makes him washed up 3 ints in 4 games is washed up. Just cause a player is not in his prime makes him washed up..righhhht. Well I guess half the league is washed up too.

[alohabillsfan]

I love the personal attacks! Great post keep it coming! :lmao:

[The King]

I love the personal attacks! Great post keep it coming! :lmao:

**** off.

[kbeath]

**** off.I rather get **** ed on. (top)