Worst Bills in Franchise History

[Crisis]

In recent memory...

Rob Johnson
Chris Watson
Jake Arians

I'm sure some of the older fans can add some oldies to the list. I remember gulping everytime Arians lined up for a kick, even XPs.

[Jayhawk]

I'll say to get it over with

Drew Bledsoe

[bigbub2352]

ronnie harmon billy joe herbert al edwards

eric flowers, dan brandenburg, brad lamb,

bucky brooks, sean doctor, corey bender,

lonnie johnson, shannon clavelle,

corey moore, tyrone robinson,

avion black, robert hicks,

taverse tillman, corey louchey,

tony cline, kwame cavil,

justin armour, john fina, dusty zeigler, todd collins, dan o'leary, ray jackson,

just to name a few..... i also definetly agree with your guys picks as well....

[Mr. Miyagi]

Taverse Tillman wasn't that bad. And John Fina? No way.

Add Eddie Robinson on that list.

[bigbub2352]

gabe northern, j.d. williams, mark kelso, jerry ostrosky, sean bryson. antwan smith, kevin williams, charles rodgers, josh reed, sheldon jackson,

[bigbub2352]

fina was a bum he ended kellys career, but i agree to eddie robinson,

[generalmills]

Leif Larson
and from this current team Mike Puccilo

[bigbub2352]

weren't u they guy who wanted to rumble mr miyagi ha ha ...

[bigbub2352]

leif larsen wow he was awesome i forgot about him

[Mr. Miyagi]

gabe northern, j.d. williams, mark kelso, jerry ostrosky, sean bryson. antwan smith, kevin williams, charles rodgers, josh reed, sheldon jackson,
Dude you're just naming all the Bills that weren't superstars now. :shakeno:

How could you put Gabe Northern, Kevin Williams, Antwain Smith or Josh Reed on the same list as the "worst Bills of all time" with Rob Johnson and Chris Watson? WTF?

[Mr. Miyagi]

weren't u they guy who wanted to rumble mr miyagi ha ha ...
Yup and I swear I'll still kick /you 's ass if I ever see him. :chuk:

[generalmills]

weren't u they guy who wanted to rumble mr miyagi ha ha ...

me?? not that im aware of. I'm not a fan of Mr. Fugi and I sometimes get frustrated with small electronics that come out of that area of the world but no... i dont think i have ever had a problem with mr miyagi

[bigbub2352]

russell copeland, nate turner, dwight drane, jason gildon, james jett, greg zolman,

[Mr. Miyagi]

me?? not that im aware of. I'm not a fan of Mr. Fugi and I sometimes get frustrated with small electronics that come out of that area of the world but no... i dont think i have ever had a problem with mr miyagi
I have no problem with generalmills either. I love your cereal. :hungry:

[Mr. Miyagi]

russell copeland, nate turner, dwight drane, jason gildon, james jett, greg zolman,
Gildon was a Bill for about 22 minutes. Never even made the 53 man roster. I don't think that counts.

[bigbub2352]

what does it matter how long they were with the team mr. myagi, u might not know who u r talkin to, they were still bills i am just tryin to have some fun

[bigbub2352]

tell me what counts

[bigbub2352]

give me your rules big guy

[Mr. Miyagi]

what does it matter how long they were with the team mr. myagi, u might not know who u r talkin to, they were still bills i am just tryin to have some fun
WTF? Who am I supposed to be talking to? King of Egypt?

[bigbub2352]

king of cheese

[Mr. Miyagi]

king of cheese
It's obvious now. You're 13. :up:

[bigbub2352]

not u general mills, i have watched mr miyagi post **** about me plenty of times for no reason so i just want to see what is so big and bad in wisconsin

[bigbub2352]

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[Mr. Miyagi]

not u general mills, i have watched mr miyagi post **** about me plenty of times for no reason so i just want to see what is so big and bad in wisconsin
:rofl: You're still sore about that? It wasn't about you man.

[bigbub2352]

i wasnt sore i am just jokin around nothin personal, i am a bills fan nothin more, well small business owner too but thats it... didn't u see the ha ha

[bigbub2352]

got your message i was just kiddin too brother...

[Mr. Miyagi]

got your message i was just kiddin too brother...
Glad to hear it. :up:

But I still don't think Gildon counts. :box:

[bigbub2352]

cool.. what about marcus spriggs or jerry crafts, or even gale gilbert

[mysticsoto]

If you base this on cost...then my guess is Rob Johnson is the worst Bill in franchise history. Otherwise...maybe Todd Collins was even worse???

[pleasesavedrew]

Rob Johnson, Phillip Crosby, Jake Arians, Eddie Robinson, and Erik Flowers

[Mr. Miyagi]

Rob Johnson, Phillip Crosby, Jake Arians, Eddie Robinson, and Erik Flowers
Can't believe we forgot all about good ol Erik. Good call.

[bigbub2352]

eric flowers cost all most as much as rob johnson, without the signig bonus, i remeber when they drafted flowers chris berman said who is this guy we don't even have tape on him, he was doomed from the start, but rob johnson was definetly the most painful to watch by far

[bigbub2352]

i had him in one of my lists in the first page

[bigbub2352]

what about carwell gardner

[generalmills]

what about carwell gardner

nope. carwell was very good... I'd like to have him in the backfield on goal line situations right now.

[feelthepain]

Ummm,uhhh lets see......gee there were so many,Do I have to choose?? Ok, all of them!

[TedMock]

My vote goes to Erik Flowers. Talk about bust.

I have seen some names on these lists that I don't understand. I won't name all, but Carwell Gardner was a good blocking back, Antowain Smith isn't even on the list of worst RB's we've had let alone all time Bills. He averaged over 700 yards and 6 TD's for us. Nothing to write home about, but not on the "bad player" list either. Jerry Ostroski? He was our #1 backup at every OL position. The guy played fairly well at several spots. I wish we had backups with his versatility now. I'm sure there are more, those are just a few I recall people typing in.

[K-Gun]

Jeff Wright.

I like the guy don't get me wrong, but he was our NT and he was smaller than Bruce Smith. He was the weak spot...

[Historian]

Erik Flowers
Speedy Neal
Tom Ruud
Reuben Gant
Al Cowlings

[thebuffalobills4]

Yup and I swear I'll still kick /you 's ass if I ever see him. :chuk:
nice joke. :tip:

[thebuffalobills4]

Ummm,uhhh lets see......gee there were so many,Do I have to choose?? Ok, all of them!
i wonder if their any dophin players that sucked,lets see their is you,ray lucas,jay fiedler,2004 dophins,and everyone else......... :biggrin:



bills fans- :haha: -you getting ran over by tko,no wonder you suck and are on my list on dophin players that sucked. :lmao:

[mysticsoto]

i wonder if their any dophin players that sucked,lets see their is you,ray lucas,jay fiedler,2004 dophins,and everyone else......... :biggrin:



bills fans- :haha: -you getting ran over by tko,no wonder you suck and are on my list on dophin players that sucked. :lmao:

I cracked up when I saw a headline somewhere that said, "Ray Lucas' best receiver: Nate Clements!!!"

[LVGrown]

gabe northern, j.d. williams, mark kelso, jerry ostrosky, sean bryson. antwan smith, kevin williams, charles rodgers, josh reed, sheldon jackson,



How could you put Antwain Smith in that category? He was a part of the running back by committee because the coaches wouldn't go with one guy. Sure he didn't cut it in New England either, but he was a solid player while here. I don't think Josh Reed deserves to be on that list either.

[The_Philster]

Leif Larsonand from this current team Mike PucciloPucillo is gone, thank God

As far as some of the names
Antowain Smith...take away that running back by committee system and shoot Bishop Harris before he screwed up his running style and he'd have been what we hoped he'd be.
Phillip Crosby..he was playing well enough before his injury that they could've had him as the starter and let Gash go
Gabe 'Zoo' Northern..had some flashes...just not enough to re-sign him
Kevin 'K-Dub" Williams was a pretty solid contributor
Jerry Ostroski might not have been a superstar, but he played well...got the job done..a lunch pail player who busted his ass to make it in the NFL...more players should have his type of resolve

[sdbillsfan2]

Yup and I swear I'll still kick sdbillsfan2 's ass if I ever see him. :chuk:wtf is that all about ? I never said ***** to this fool.

[shotgun]

gabe northern, , mark kelso, jerry ostrosky, . , , , , ,

what drugs u on i guess u are a idiot because u don't know your football because all 3 players were good playes .... kust because u don't like a player u put them in the worst bills players ever list bull **** u dumb assclown

[Dr. Lecter]

Nice to see you have not changed shotgun.

Rob Johnson was not the worst Bill. Neither was Drew. Or Antowain. These guys at least showed flashes.

Players like Jerry Crafts deserve the nod.

[The_Philster]

Nice to see you have not changed shotgun.

Rob Johnson was not the worst Bill. Neither was Drew. Or Antowain. These guys at least showed flashes.

Players like Jerry Crafts deserve the nod.It was still nice to see the Condo become a good player for the Destroyers

[bigbub2352]

damion shelton over carwell gardner any day, i was just throwing names up to get a response my vote is definetly eric flowers or rob johnson though

[Jan Reimers]

Richie Lucas, Walt Patulski, Perry Tuttle and Billy Jo Hobert.

[bigbub2352]

billy joe herbert might be the worst public display of a buffalo bill as well

[The_Philster]

might be? The Bills had to cut him just to save his life..can you imagine what would've happened that Wednesday when Spielman saw him? :eek:

[wchutalkinboutwillis]

Tough call to name the worst Bill ever. I'm seeing a lot of names here that really don't deserve it. I won't defend Billy Jo Hobo but it was just one really stupid sentence that ruined his career. Jerry "Condo" Crafts (remember, Kelly nicknamed him that because of "House" Ballard) doesn't deserve it. Drew doesn't deserve it. Names like Booker Moore or Tom Cousineau. Maybe Vince Ferragamo or Lonnie's Johnson? They're more along the lines of players that should've been great but sucked, as opposed to the worst Bill ever.

[PUCKER]

Rob Johnson

[thebuffalobills4]

wtf is that all about ? I never said ***** to this fool.
he was joking around man ,he did the same thing to me.

[Historian]

i wonder if their any dophin players that sucked,lets see their is you,ray lucas,jay fiedler,2004 dophins,and everyone else......... :biggrin:

How about Yatil Green, lol?

[Jerry Ewert]

mark kelso does not belong in the list

[TheBrownBear]

Yup and I swear I'll still kick TheBrownBear 's ass if I ever see him. :chuk:
You rang?

[TheBrownBear]

russell copeland, nate turner, dwight drane, jason gildon, james jett, greg zolman,
Your list sucks. Some of these guys were decent ST/role players. And how could you list Mark Kelso as one of the worst Bills of all-time???

[TheBrownBear]

I'll go w/ Rob Johnson (clear #1), Erik Flowers, Todd Collins, Drew Bledsoe (not really), Lonnie Johnson, Bucky Brooks, Jake Arians, Billy Joe Hobert, Travares Tillman, Eddie Robinson, Willie Totten (just for fun), Leif Larson, Chris Watson, Kris Farris, Tyrone Robertson (waste of potential), Pukecillo, Corey Hulsey (ok, basically anyone on that 2001 team that's no longer on the squad)

[Jan Reimers]

If you think Rob Johnson is the worst Bill ever, you're way too young to remember our original number 1 pick, Richie Lucas out of Penn State, who couldn't play a lick.

[Bmax]

What about eric richardson, bernard ford, rodney bellinger, joe dufek, tom dempsey yes i remember the missed kick against the dolphins ..... and of course the biggest bust in bills history walt patulski.......

Why does miyagi want to kick my butt again...... ? I 'm a nice guy....But i still will open a can of whip if i have to....LOL.....

BMAX

[Jan Reimers]

What about eric richardson, bernard ford, rodney bellinger, joe dufek, tom dempsey yes i remember the missed kick against the dolphins ..... and of course the biggest bust in bills history walt patulski.......

Why does miyagi want to kick my butt again...... ? I 'm a nice guy....But i still will open a can of whip if i have to....LOL.....

BMAX
Yeah, I mentioned Patulski earlier. And Mr. M wants to kick all of our butts, but not at the same time.

[cpabob]

Ed Rutkowski
Vince Ferragamo
Bruce Mathison
Dan Manucci
Preston Ridlehuber (great option pass though)

[Bill Brasky]

Yup and I swear I'll still kick /you 's ass if I ever see him. :chuk:

Why bro, what did I do to you?

:idunno: :sadwalk:

[wchutalkinboutwillis]

Why bro, what did I do to you?

:idunno: :sadwalk:
You've been around too long to fall for this. He wants to kick my ass too along with everyone else in the BZ. Get it?

[nuklz2594]

perry tuttle-ugh!!

[Pride]

Here are some ground rules.

1. Had to be on active 53 man roster for more than 8 regular season games
2. Had to make more than vet, league, or rookie minimum
3. Rookies don't count

Rob Johnson (all time worst)
Jake Arians
Billy Joe Holbert
Todd Collins
Eric Flowers
JD Williams

Coaches:
Keving Gilbride (all time worst coach)

[Dozerdog]

Chris Watson

[ExWNYer]

Erik Flowers
Speedy Neal
Tom Ruud
Reuben Gant
Al Cowlings


Richie Lucas, Walt Patulski, Perry Tuttle and Billy Jo Hobert.

You guys stole a lot of mine. Here are some more :peace: :

LB Bob Nelson (to go along with Tom Ruud)
DE Phil Dokes
QB Dennis Shaw (somewhat productive but definitely not worth a #1)
TE Trey Junkin
TE Tony Hunter

[TedMock]

perry tuttle-ugh!!

His claim to fame was that the Bills drafted him instead of Mike Quick! Oh well.

[Meathead]

Anybody that would add Fina to this list is a bonafide idiot.

[Meathead]

Vince Ferragamo

Games 10
Yds Pass 1677
Compl. % 51.9
TD 5
Int 17

[SABURZFAN]

phil dokes
scott hutchinson
dee hardison
gary marangi

[TedMock]

Vince Ferragamo

Games 10
Yds Pass 1677
Compl. % 51.9
TD 5
Int 17

I think we've got ourselves a winner! He was so very painful to watch, yet somehow I forgot all about him. Selective memory, maybe?

[Historian]

...and his counterpart...Bruce Mathison!

In Smerlas' book, By a Nose, he recalls after a 1985 game where the Bills lost by like 30 points, Mathison comes up to him and says, "I had a pretty good game, don't you think?"

Smerlas replies, "Bruce...we lost by thirty points."

[Meathead]

Bruce Mathison

Games: 18
Yards: 2177
Compl.%: 49.2
TD: 7
Int: 20

Man, it's close. But I'd give Ferragamo the win (loss?) by a hair.

[Meathead]

I think we've got ourselves a winner! He was so very painful to watch, yet somehow I forgot all about him.
Thanks. I'm pretty good as remembering things that suck.

[The_Philster]

...and his counterpart...Bruce Mathison!In Smerlas' book, By a Nose, he recalls after a 1985 game where the Bills lost by like 30 points, Mathison comes up to him and says, "I had a pretty good game, don't you think?" Smerlas replies, "Bruce...we lost by thirty points.":lol: I'm gonna have to read that again...right now I'm slowly working through Marv's book