Some people are nuts

[Bill Brasky]

I am reading a bunch of articles that say Tim Brown might not get into the Hall of Fame.

How the hell is that even possible?

[That Guy]

Re: Some people are nuts

I think he deserves to be in. But I could give you plenty of reasons against him.

[Bill Brasky]

Re: Some people are nuts

I think he deserves to be in. But I could give you plenty of reasons against him.

shoot...

[That Guy]

Re: Some people are nuts

He was top 5 in the league in receptions only twice.
He never led the league in receiving yards.
He wasn't a playoff performer. He only had 100+ yards in a playoff game once (in at least 12 tries), and that was in a loss to Buffalo.
Never won a Super Bowl... the one that he was in he only caught one pass (granted it was near the end of his career).
He never really had a great running back to take opportunities away from him.
He rarely even made the playoffs during the prime of his career. The Hall of Fame doesn't like losers.
He played in an era that had significantly more passing (and 1000 yard receivers) than in previous decades. That basically makes cumulative career receiving stats much less important. Every Harrison/Moss/Owens/Holt-type is going to pass everyone besides Rice as long as they play for a decent amount of time.
This is just a personal belief, but I don't think at any time he could've been considered a top 3 WR in the league.. and only top 5 for a short period of time.


But.. this is just what I'd use if I didn't think he should be in. But in four/five years, Tim Brown is probably going to be like 5th-10th in most career categories.

[The_Philster]

Re: Some people are nuts

He'll get in..just doubtful that it'll be the 1st ballot..they're notoriously slow at inducting wideouts

[Michael82]

Re: Some people are nuts

Art Monk is STILL not in. 'Nuff Said!

[Jan Reimers]

Re: Some people are nuts

Art Monk is STILL not in. 'Nuff Said!

Well said, Mikey. I have no idea - looking at some of the receivers that are in the HOF - why Monk isn't in.

Brown should get in, too, but after Monk.

[Static]

Re: Some people are nuts

He should get in...........

[Bill Brasky]

Re: Some people are nuts

He never really had a great running back to take opportunities away from him.

Marcus Allen. Bo Jackson. Do those names ring a bell?

[That Guy]

Re: Some people are nuts

Marcus Allen. Bo Jackson. Do those names ring a bell?

Bo Jackson was done after Tim's second year. Marcus Allen was gone in 1992. Tim Brown hadn't even had a 700+ yard season yet. Who would count those years as his prime?

[Bill Brasky]

Re: Some people are nuts

you said NEVER...

[That Guy]

Re: Some people are nuts

I said 'never really'... which sorta leaves it open to interpretation.. I suppose..

[STAMPY]

Re: Some people are nuts

Marcus Allen. Bo Jackson. Do those names ring a bell?

lol

[STAMPY]

Re: Some people are nuts

charlie garner was a good rb in oakland. he took away passes and rushes

[indianabillsfan]

Re: Some people are nuts

Charlie Joiner is in the Hall Of Fame. He played for a pass happy offense with a Hall Of Fame QB in Dan Fouts. How many Super Bowl catches did Joiner have? None. Brown played on Raiders' teams with a carousel of QB's who were mostly average at best until Gannon came along and that was towards the twilight of Brown's career. Yet Brown's career numbers are superior to Joiner's.

A similar case can be made relating to James Lofton. He was fairly consistent over a long period and put up some excellent numbers. Lofton is in the Hall Of Fame. I love Lofton, and Joiner too, but there is no way you can say those two players had better careers or were more consistently putting up big numbers over such a long period as Brown did.

If Lofton and Joiner are in, Brown needs to be in, along with Andre Reed and Art Monk (I can't believe he's not in yet - was Lofton or Joiner better than Monk ?)