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  • Philisophical Troll
    Take my dating advice, it worked for me on my sister :up:
    • Jul 2005
    • 151

    Reasons why Bills Defense won't be as dominant in 05'

    Don't get me wrong this defense still has an abundant amount of talent, and no doubt will have their moments. I'm not sure they will get as many turnovers this year, but should still be able to apply consistent pressure. But as the season progresses and the offenses the Bills face get better, it's hard for me to see this team ranking among the top 5-10 in the league. Here are my legitimate reasons why:

    1) Loss of Fat Pat Williams: the bottom line he was the best player on this unit next to Spikes/Clements. He was a destructive force that single handedly took over the game when offensive lineman had to double and triple team him. He opened the door for fletcher and spikes to roam free in the middle of the field. That won't be the case this year, edwards is a far cry from fat pat. And we all remember what happened in 02' when this guy was a starter. Fat Pat couldn't do it without Mount Washington and The Keg won't be able to do it without Fat Pat. There is a reason the Vikings shelled out big dollars for this guy and Bills fans will see why. Anderson/Edwards would have to be flawless to even come close to compensating for his loss, and I doubt that's happening.

    2) Bills play much better offensive teams this year: The likes of the chiefs, raiders, falcons, chargers, bengals (with healthy Palmer) etc are a far cry from san fran and cleveland. Also considering the bills still see the juggernaut pats, a vastly improved fins team, and an overhauled jets offense twice....that doesnt' bode well for this unit. Every good defense gives up yards to the good teams, even the 00' Ravens unit was lit up a few times during their historic run. But this schedule is daunting to say the least.

    3) 'Fire and ice' are getting old and older: still 2 solid players in malloy and vincent, but they are far from being rodney harrison and roy williams. Expect their age to show this year going up against younger, faster receivers. Teams will be able to find favorable match-ups with speedy slot receivers against them. Could be a major liability, especially if one of them gets hurt again. They've both shown their age, especially last year when they each missed a fair share of the season.

    4) Mcgee is a great return man but not a starting corner. He has yet to prove he carry the full time load at that position. Teams aren't stupid enough to throw Nate Clements way too often, so he will definitely have a target on his back until he proves he can be a shut down corner. I'm not sure the Bills have adequate depth either at this position. If Mcgee struggles and they have to play musical chairs at that position it won't be good.

    5) Bills still don't have a 2nd player at the DE end position that can be a consistent threat. Schobel is solid, but still a bit overated and overpaid IMO. Denney and Kelsay have show flashes, but also looked pitiful at times. The Bills definitely need help there especially since they already took a huge step back at the DT position with the loss of fat pat. Don't be surpised if Donahoe picks somebody up during this years preseason cuts.

    6) Superior running teams proved they could put up big numbers against this unit. Look at what New England and Pittsburgh did against this defense for evidence of that. It's also got to be a concern that AJ Touchy Feely put up gaudy numbers in the air despite having 5 picks and no running game last year. I alluded to the fact the Bills play some juggernaut offensive units this season and it could be a major problem for this team come september.

    In conclusion Jerry Gray is a great coordinator and will someday be a head coach IMO. Takeo Spikes is going to have a huge season despite losing his large buddy up front. Nate Clements should also post gaudy numbers in his last season in buffalo. Bottom line: I see this unit making plays and carrying the load early in the season, but once they hit the meat of their schedule they will be exposed similar to the way they were against pittsburgh. Teams might not have much success passing against Buffalo, but that could change dramatically if teams are able to pound the ball up the middle consistently. Expect them to finish between 11th-18th overrall says a philisophical troll.
  • 1959BillsFan
    Registered User
    • Mar 2005
    • 32

    #2
    Re: Reasons why Bills Defense won't be as dominant in 05'

    At least it isn't the Dallas D. A "3-4" Defense with a 4-3 coordinator. In other words, a "3-4" wanna-be.



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    • Jan Reimers
      Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
      • May 2003
      • 17353

      #3
      Re: Reasons why Bills Defense won't be as dominant in 05'

      You're just not very knowlegable if you think Pat Williams was our best defensive player other than Clements and Spikes. Then again, we all know that you understand very little about football.
      Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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      • jmb1099
        Registered User
        • Sep 2004
        • 3354

        #4
        Re: Reasons why Bills Defense won't be as dominant in 05'

        When Edwards was called into duty last year I remember him making some excellent plays as well as playing consistently. He is very similar in size to Pat (not much different at all) and faster. It may be a bit premature to say, but this could quite possibly be an upgrade.

        As far as the rest of trolls post...
        It is obvious that you have nothing to be excited about in cowgirl land this year, so I can understand your infatuation with the Bills. Still I must confess that your misplaced hope in our failure and your ignorant belief that Dallas will be successful underneath the leadership of Drew Bledsoe really lends itself to only one plausible conclusion...you are in fact an idiot.
        Best of luck breaking the all time most sacked and most intercepted records this year...should make for some interesting ESPN highlights.

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        • indianabillsfan
          Registered User
          • Sep 2003
          • 98

          #5
          Re: Reasons why Bills Defense won't be as dominant in 05'

          It seems that Troll's basic argument is that the Bills' defense will drop from 2nd to 11th through 18th because of the departure of Pat Williams. How often was he on the field last year anyway ? 50 % of the snaps ? Edwards was coming in for him every other play and was quite effective. He fails to mention the fact that the other 10 starters return with Edwards as the only new starter. Isn't it quite possible that the younger players (Kelsay, McGee, etc.) will be better this year with more experience from starting last year and a full training camp with the starters' share of reps ? I think so. Also, Milloy and Vincent missed significant time last year and the defense held up well without them and was awesome when they returned. Yes they struggled against the top offensive teams last year like NE and PIT, but so did a lot of other good teams. NE and PIT were in the AFC Championship game for a reason. Buffalo did shut down some decent offenses like the Jets twice (16 and 17 points), St. Louis (17 points), Seattle (9 points). I think the defense will be top 5 again (they didn't do too bad last year after losing an excellent corner, Antoine Winfield) and again will be able to keep the team in almost every game to at least give themselves a chance to win. They have plenty of playmakers and can still create lots of turnovers and scores and short fields for the offense like last year. I think all of that will add up to a pretty darn good defense that we will all be proud of.

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          • DaBillzAhDaShiznit
            Registered User
            • May 2004
            • 1268

            #6
            Re: Reasons why Bills Defense won't be as dominant in 05'

            I actually find very little issue with this post, other than the statement that Pat was one of the best players on the field. Although I think we will miss him a bit, I don't think we will be dreadful over the course of the season. At least the Troll put some thought into it and is backing up his statments to a degree. Look again at his post, and be objective. Every team has games where they give up lots of yards. And it usually happens after the first half of the season.
            I'm not worried about it because I know that the Bills are a three dimension team. A team that is able to score in all three phases, and is solid all around.
            I think our Defense will likely be rated lower than last year, but I don't think it will keep us from being sucessful. Our defense does not need to be #2 to keep us in contention. But the thought that the loss of one player is going to doom us to a pitiful year is not rational.
            "Show me a good loser and I will show you an idiot"
            --Leo Durocher

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            • SquishDaFish
              Lets GO BUFFALO!!
              • Jun 2005
              • 17034

              #7
              Re: Reasons why Bills Defense won't be as dominant in 05'

              http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3830736

              Following from above link foxsports.com.....
              East Division



              Dallas Cowboys: We're not sure if he's the best quarterback named Drew on this team, but Drew Bledsoe has been hired to start behind center. Even if the Dallas defense is less doomed than last year, the Cowboys won't win it all because Bledsoe holds the ball longer than Kobe Bryant.

              HaHaHa This is why hes posting about the Bills.

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              • MDFINFAN
                Registered User
                • Jun 2003
                • 1824

                #8
                Re: Reasons why Bills Defense won't be as dominant in 05'

                Wow. I can't argue Troll on this one, I too think Pat was significant to your D, Adams has never impressed me. I don't think his departure neccessarily demotes the D to 12-15, but the schedule can...those are his best points. But that can also be said about all of our D's in this division, since we all face pretty much the same competition.

                Reach for the stars

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                • Meathead
                  Insufferable ***** and perpetual crybaby
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 21349

                  #9
                  Re: Reasons why Bills Defense won't be as dominant in 05'

                  Numbers 5 and 6 are weak, but the others are reasonable opinions.
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                  • Philisophical Troll
                    Take my dating advice, it worked for me on my sister :up:
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 151

                    #10
                    Re: Reasons why Bills Defense won't be as dominant in 05'

                    Leave it to you tools to find fault in my arguments even when I back them up with facts.....I remember the Cowboys were #1 overall in 03, then dropped to 16th last year despite very few changes to the roster.....So keep BILLEVING that you will be dominant despite the fact you lost of your best players up front and toher teams around you have gotten better in the AFC.

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                    • FlyingDutchman
                      Registered User
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 5074

                      #11
                      Re: Reasons why Bills Defense won't be as dominant in 05'

                      The thing that gets me, is that this moron talks like he actually watches the games. I bet he did not watch more than 2 games last year. He bases all of his thought on what he thinks will sound good, istead of logic...He talks about being rushed on, first of all, you named two games, heaven forbid they should let up a 100 yard game occasionally, especially with the backs they face in the AFC east....Second of all, the DE position has never been a strong point, so why are you telling us something we know? Its been the same for the last 3 years and look whats happened..top D everytime...and when did kelsay or Denney look pitiful, please tell me some times, since you watch so closely and know so much about the Bills, you should be able to give an example when they looked pitiful....You seem to still basing your moronic thoughts about the bills D on the loss of fat pat....This will have little to no difference on the D whatsoever so get over it! Stop acting like you actually know whats going on with this team, you keep makin bland statements that anyone could make if they read a transaction sheet, picking out only the negatives of the offseason to raise questions about a team you know nothing about. Everyone loses players on O and D every year, it happens, this D will not drop out of the top ten bc of the lost of one player...get a clue...

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                      • Typ0
                        honey pie
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 32593

                        #12
                        Re: Reasons why Bills Defense won't be as dominant in 05'

                        I think this is a good post...our defenses ability to rise to the top this season is going to be dependant on two things:

                        1) Their ability to generate turnovers.

                        2) Our offenses ability to develop sustained drives that score points.

                        with these two things...I don't see any drop off at all in our defensive output. If we can't do the two above though, we likely will fall down the line of ranked defenses.

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                        • Philisophical Troll
                          Take my dating advice, it worked for me on my sister :up:
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 151

                          #13
                          Re: Reasons why Bills Defense won't be as dominant in 05'

                          Originally posted by WillisMcNasty21
                          The thing that gets me, is that this moron talks like he actually watches the games. I bet he did not watch more than 2 games last year. He bases all of his thought on what he thinks will sound good, istead of logic...He talks about being rushed on, first of all, you named two games, heaven forbid they should let up a 100 yard game occasionally, especially with the backs they face in the AFC east....Second of all, the DE position has never been a strong point, so why are you telling us something we know? Its been the same for the last 3 years and look whats happened..top D everytime...and when did kelsay or Denney look pitiful, please tell me some times, since you watch so closely and know so much about the Bills, you should be able to give an example when they looked pitiful....You seem to still basing your moronic thoughts about the bills D on the loss of fat pat....This will have little to no difference on the D whatsoever so get over it! Stop acting like you actually know whats going on with this team, you keep makin bland statements that anyone could make if they read a transaction sheet, picking out only the negatives of the offseason to raise questions about a team you know nothing about. Everyone loses players on O and D every year, it happens, this D will not drop out of the top ten bc of the lost of one player...get a clue...
                          Do you honestly think I would be on this site if I didn't have any knowledge of the Bills franchise? I've watched every Bills game for years now, and even if I WAS A BILLS FAN, that ended on week 17 after the disgusting performance by THE ENTIRE TEAM against pittsburghs 3rd stringers in the game that mattered most. I won't likely watch every game this year and beyond, but I will still have a keen interest in this football team as they rebuild in look towards the future.

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                          • Gunzlingr
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 45976

                            #14
                            Re: Reasons why Bills Defense won't be as dominant in 05'

                            Originally posted by Philisophical Troll
                            Do you honestly think I would be on this site if I didn't have any knowledge of the Bills franchise? I've watched every Bills game for years now, and even if I WAS A BILLS FAN, that ended on week 17 after the disgusting performance by THE ENTIRE TEAM against pittsburghs 3rd stringers in the game that mattered most. I won't likely watch every game this year and beyond, but I will still have a keen interest in this football team as they rebuild in look towards the future.
                            Not only do we think you don't watch any games, we're pretty sure you don't know your head from ass on most subjects.
                            You think you're hot **** in a champagne glass, but you're really cold diarrhea in a Dixie cup!

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                            • Philisophical Troll
                              Take my dating advice, it worked for me on my sister :up:
                              • Jul 2005
                              • 151

                              #15
                              Re: Reasons why Bills Defense won't be as dominant in 05'

                              Furthermore this F***** idiot donahoe has destroyed this franchise and tarnished Bledsoe's career. This team should have been where the Patriots are, but no lets dismantle the offense after 02' and sign defensive players who can't show up in the big games. This team should have been a 12 or 13 win team last year as well, but keep feeding off the propaganda coming from Donahoe, modrak and the rest of the tools at one bills drive and believe whatever helps you sleep at night...the bottom line this team is going to a bowl allright....the toilet bowl.

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