Cap Update 8/2

[clumping platelets]

I have submitted another cap page update to Dozer. I do not know when he will be able to make the changes, so here's a capsule:

As of 8/2, I have the Bills $3,2234,124 under an adjusted salary cap of $85,721,000 with $5,482,941 "dead cap"

Missing info: Bonuses for RB Burns, TE Neufeld, and many of the UDFAs. Maybe a Deion charge or two, and since he's not signed, Kevin Everett.

I estimated signing bonuses for CB King and OL Geisinger. They will not likely be off by much.

Points to make:

Nate Clements can be re-signed without creating new cap space. Why? His salary is $2.5 million. His extension could lower the salary to as low as $540,000 (vet min for Nate). That's $1.96 million of cap space to utilize on signing bonus proration, roster bonus, etc

Terrence McGee can be re-signed but his extension will add to his 2005 cap number.

It's possible that both could be extended without creating additional salary cap space. Ho0w? Well, Bills will get some cap space back once players are cut to the final 53 man roster. I do not consider this "creating" because it's required of all teams before the season starts

Toodles :flowers:

[Italian Stallion]

I think Nate gets done in the next few weeks. TD has had nothing but positive things to say about him, and Nate said he wants to play his whole career here (Bills Daily, Dills Digest). I think he gets a 6 year 48million contract with a 10-12 mil sign bonus, and for a guy as talented as him, and for someone who means so much to the defense, he's well worth it.

[clumping platelets]

It will take between $15-20 million of guaranteed money to get him to forego FA IMO

That's not all signing bonus. It could be $10 million up front, then big roster bonus in 2006 & 2007. Depends on how it's structured, but all together, I cannot imagine he would settle for less than someone like Ken Lucas

[vicmantak]

Nate Clements can be re-signed without creating new cap space. Why? His salary is $2.5 million. His extension could lower the salary to as low as $540,000 (vet min for Nate). That's $1.96 million of cap space to utilize on signing bonus proration, roster bonus, etc

Terrence McGee can be re-signed but his extension will add to his 2005 cap number.

It's possible that both could be extended without creating additional salary cap space. Ho0w? Well, Bills will get some cap space back once players are cut to the final 53 man roster. I do not consider this "creating" because it's required of all teams before the season starts
clumping,

First of all, thanks for your cap information and update. It really makes things way easier.

On the other hand, I would like to see Bills re-signing or extending Clements for more years. If Vincent is playing at this level at 36 years old, IMO it's wise start thinking to offer him a 10 year extension.
Reasons:

1. He's not injury prone
2. The best all-time Bills CB
3. All time starter
4. Low profile
5. Has the frame and size to finish his career as a Safety

[SABURZFAN]

of course we're interested. :mad:



good job clump. :up:

[clumping platelets]

10 yr contract makes little sense because signing bonuses can, at this time, only be amortized for 5 yrs. It will likely change when the CBA is extended but for now it's only 5 yrs. It could be offered but his agent would likely ignore such an offer because it would take Nate out of future FA.

[The_Philster]

2. The best all-time Bills CB
4. Low profile2. I'd still put Butch Byrd ahead of him but he's getting there
4. :huh:

[Tatonka]

low profile as in he doesnt go pointing his gun at people in the offseason or do cocain with david boston.

i agree.. he has attitude on the field and he dont ever have to worry about hearing his name in the news due to off the field issues.

[Ebenezer]

As of 8/2, I have the Bills $3,2234,124 under an adjusted salary cap of $85,721,000 with $5,482,941 "dead cap"


:huh:

Can the Bills open up more money by converting Williams' $3mil bonus?

[clumping platelets]

They already converted it over a month ago :ontome:

[Michael82]

:huh:

Can the Bills open up more money by converting Williams' $3mil bonus?
that's old news. :D

[Ebenezer]

They already converted it over a month ago :ontome:


that's old news. :D

wtf was I?

[clumping platelets]

It was in the Buffalo News twice :idunno:

[Ebenezer]

It was in the Buffalo News twice :idunno:
it was a very busy July...

[clumping platelets]

Excuses, excuses :shakeno:

[vicmantak]

clumping,

One more question. If Bills are interested on a franchise tagged player (Corey Simon), do you see some notable cap and contract differences if Bills try to get Orlando Pace?

[ryjam282]

I thought Pace signed a long term deal with the Rams this year?

[ryjam282]

I found it, Pace is no longer on the market.

per KFFL
Rams | Pace Contract Breakdown
Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:09:13 -0800

Updating previous reports, the seven-year deal OT Orlando Pace signed with the St. Louis Rams has base salaries of $2.975 million (2005), $3.975 million (2006), $4.075 million (2007), $5.175 million (2008), $5.97 million (2009), $7.175 million (2010) and $8.375 million (2011).

[clumping platelets]

And those are just his salaries....his signing bonus was around $15 million

[Ed]

Clumping,

Is the 5.5 million dead cap space all from Bledsoe? And is it possible that we won't have any dead cap space after this season?

[Ebenezer]

Clumping,

Is the 5.5 million dead cap space all from Bledsoe? And is it possible that we won't have any dead cap space after this season?
Here is what I have for the Bills "dead cap":

Drew Bledsoe QB $4,333,332
Marques Sullivan OL $533,332
Bobby Shaw WR $266,666
Pierson Prioleau FS $212,000
Travis Henry RB $100,000
Oliver Gibson DT $50,000
Ben Sobieski OL $38,444
Jonathan Smith WR $25,834
Lauvale Sape DT $22,833

[The_Philster]

Isn't dead cap space associated with players who are gone? You named some current players there, Eb

[clumping platelets]

Clumping,

Is the 5.5 million dead cap space all from Bledsoe? And is it possible that we won't have any dead cap space after this season?


No, only $4,333,332 is the result of Drew's release. Other players include Henry ($100,000), Prioleau, and a few others that escape my RAM :lol:


EDIT: ** I just saw Eb's reply** :doh:

[vicmantak]

Ryjam and Clumping,

Thanks for the information. I thought Pace was still disgruntled...

On the other hand what about Adam Vinatieri?
He has just signed Patriots one-year franchise tender ($2.51 million) and is still working out a long term contract...

IMO if Bills really want to make the playoffs, Vinatieri is exactly what we need and it would be extremely pleasant to see a struggling Belichick without his pillar-playbook player and insurance policy.

[clumping platelets]

Vinatieri signed long term deal as well

[L.A. Playa]

here is a question if the Bills cut Bannan, Brantley, Burns. Esposito, Haddad, Jerman, Matthews and Reed will that give the Bills an additional 2.8 million in cap space???

[Dozerdog]

here is a question if the Bills cut Bannan, Brantley, Burns. Esposito, Haddad, Jerman, Matthews and Reed will that give the Bills an additional 2.8 million in cap space???

Nope. You just don't subtract their pay & bonus.


Only the top 51 salaries , plus all the bonus money paid out, is counted vs the cap. Many of the players you list aren't in the top 51 - cutting them has almost Zero cap effect.

Reed, and MAYBE Matthews, are the only names on that list that would have any noticible effect- maybe a couple hundred thousand bucks. Don't forget- if you cut or traded Reed and saved $400 K, you have to add in a new salary into the top 51. So the difference between the two would be the savings- Maybe $200-$300 K if you are lucky.

[Dozerdog]

The only way to save that kind of money by cutting people would be to cut a big salary player who has been under contract and has seen much of his bonus amoritized.

Milloy, for instance- or Spikes

A better way to do it is to take a big money guy and rework his deal- turn future salary into up-front bonus money...which can be spread out. They did it with Mike Williams and Moulds already and saved millions.

[clumping platelets]

here is a question if the Bills cut Bannan, Brantley, Burns. Esposito, Haddad, Jerman, Matthews and Reed will that give the Bills an additional 2.8 million in cap space???


No.....Brantley and Esposito are not part of the top 51 cap charges and technically for now, do not even count on the cap. The other players listed would save $995,000 because their place in the top 51 would be taken by 6 players whose cap numbers are $305,000

[Ebenezer]

Here is what I have for the Bills "dead cap":

Drew Bledsoe QB $4,333,332
Marques Sullivan OL $533,332
Bobby Shaw WR $266,666
Pierson Prioleau FS $212,000
Travis Henry RB $100,000
Oliver Gibson DT $50,000
Ben Sobieski OL $38,444
Jonathan Smith WR $25,834
Lauvale Sape DT $22,833


Isn't dead cap space associated with players who are gone? You named some current players there, Eb

I believe when a player is cut after 6/1 he is still charged his bonus money for that year but the remainder of his signing bonus escalates into the next cap year. Sape, Smith and Sobieski were cut and then brought back later. The monies above would represent that portion of the salary cap charged to 2005.

[The_Philster]

:up:Ok..gotcha..didn't even think about them being cut and brought back :doh:

[clumping platelets]

I believe when a player is cut after 6/1 he is still charged his bonus money for that year but the remainder of his signing bonus escalates into the next cap year. Sape, Smith and Sobieski were cut and then brought back later. The monies above would represent that portion of the salary cap charged to 2005.


Yes, release after June 1st results in that yrs proration still counting and all remaining on the following yrs cap.

Moulds has 3 yrs remaining on his deal. If released tomorrow, his proration from 2005 of $3,666,666 would still count on 2005. His proration from both 2006 & 2007 (total of $5,333,333) would count on 2006.

[Ebenezer]

Next question, oh Cap-guru...

The Bills have 4 guys on IR right now. During the regular season the salary of a player on IR counts against the Salary cap. How about during the preseason? Does it count or is it still the top 51? I could not find this in the CBA.

[clumping platelets]

4 :huh:

I only know of 2: Lawrence Smith and Ben Sobieski

Yes, players on IR count on cap in full at all times if they fall within the top 51. If they have LTBE incentives, the Bills would be credited in the following season

[Ebenezer]

4 :huh:

I only know of 2: Lawrence Smith and Ben Sobieski

Yes, players on IR count on cap in full at all times if they fall within the top 51. If they have LTBE incentives, the Bills would be credited in the following season
According to Buffalobills.com last week LaDaris Vann and Kellen Brantley were on IR.

[clumping platelets]

I haven't seen anything announced. :idunno:

They will likely get injury settlements

[Ebenezer]

I haven't seen anything announced. :idunno:

They will likely get injury settlements
I would think Sobieski gets one too. No way they keep him around another year.

[Jan Reimers]

I would think Sobieski gets one too. No way they keep him around another year.
I think he's been off IR exactly twice since his Pee Wee days.