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  • vicmantak
    Registered User
    • Jun 2005
    • 787

    Clements isn't elite in play, pay

    By JERRY SULLIVAN

    Yes, an elite NFL cornerback is hard to find. The league has gone pass-crazy, and the market for a top corner has risen accordingly. But if I were Bills President and General Manager Tom Donahoe, I'd think long and hard before opening the vault for Nate Clements.

    Clements has some of the credentials of an elite cornerback. He has 18 interceptions in his four seasons in Buffalo. A few actually came against competent NFL passers. If you base a defensive back's value solely on pickoffs, he's in the same class as Champ Bailey, who commanded an $18 million signing bonus from the Broncos.

    But Clements isn't in Bailey's class. He's a good player and a proven playmaker, but he's not an elite shut-down corner. Managing an NFL payroll is a delicate task. Donahoe hates overpaying for players; he should be careful about investing too much in Clements. No doubt, Donahoe will try to sign Clements early, as he did last year with Aaron Schobel.

    Donahoe should offer Clements a signing bonus in the $11 million to $12 million range. That's similar to what Ken Lucas got from the Panthers and Anthony Henry from the Cowboys in recent free-agent signings. It's not elite money, but it might be enough to keep Clements off the market come March.

    Clements says he's as good as any corner in the game. He seems determined to wait and sign with the highest bidder. Good for him. Most NFL players get one chance at the big bucks. Someone will pay him more than he's worth. Let it be someone other than Buffalo.

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    - Mary Pickford



  • Pride
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 10191

    #2
    Re: Clements isn't elite in play, pay

    I fully agree...

    Clements is NOT a top level CB in this league! Sure, his ability is unmatched... but he makes boneheaded plays at crucial times way too often.

    If I was coaching in the SuperBowl against Randy Moss... and we are up by 4 with 2 minutes in the game... I DO NOT feel secure knowing Clements is covering him!

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    • Fairway
      Registered User
      • Jul 2002
      • 42348

      #3
      Re: Clements isn't elite in play, pay

      I agree. If he's determined to get champ bailey money then let him walk.

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      • OpIv37
        Acid Douching Asswipe
        • Sep 2002
        • 101230

        #4
        Re: Clements isn't elite in play, pay

        Originally posted by Fairway
        I agree. If he's determined to get champ bailey money then let him walk.
        but franchise him so we can extort a high price from whoever does sign him.
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        • casdhf
          Registered User
          • Jul 2002
          • 17542

          #5
          Re: Clements isn't elite in play, pay

          Originally posted by OpIv37
          but franchise him so we can extort a high price from whoever does sign him.
          Good call, aren't you supposed to be in rico?
          Originally posted by BillsZone Mod
          cas,

          I'm just letting you know that you have been given 2 points for telling Wys AKA Mark to kill himself.

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          • OpIv37
            Acid Douching Asswipe
            • Sep 2002
            • 101230

            #6
            Re: Clements isn't elite in play, pay

            Originally posted by casdhf
            Good call, aren't you supposed to be in rico?
            we leave early tomorrow morning.
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            • The King
              Without me it's just Awe so
              • Jun 2004
              • 42380

              #7
              Re: Clements isn't elite in play, pay

              Clements is my least favorite player on the Bills. He is a solid corner, but he lacks the two things that could make him great. Leadership and Intellegence. You look at guys like Vincent and Milloy and how much respect they command on the field. Clements isn't even their league. He focuses too much on being a household name, and not enough on making the play. The raw ability is there no doubt, but Ryan Leaf had raw ability too. Its all how you use it.

              I would like to keep Nate, but I really want to see him mature as a player. Just because he is getting recognition now doesn't mean he is too good to learn from the veterans he plays every down next to.
              I remember that one fateful day when Coach took me aside. I knew what was coming. "You don't have to tell me," I said. "I'm off the team, aren't I?"
              "Well," said Coach, "you never were really ON the team. You made that uniform you're wearing out of rags and towels, and your helmet is a toy space helmet.
              You show up at practice and then either steal the ball and make us chase you to get it back, or you try to tackle people at inappropriate times."
              It was all
              true what he was saying. And yet, I thought something is brewing inside the head of this Coach.
              He sees something in me, some kind of raw talent that he can
              mold. But that's when I felt the handcuffs go on.


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              • Tatonka
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 21289

                #8
                Re: Clements isn't elite in play, pay

                champ bailey got his lunch ate up by jerry porter last season for 3 tds when the raiders killed the broncos.

                no cornerback is elite.. they are all going to get burned.. and no one should feel comfortable against randy moss, no matter who is covering him.

                bottom line is.. nate is as good as any cb in the league right now.
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                • ublinkwescore
                  Sab and TD are insignificant
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 24178

                  #9
                  Re: Clements isn't elite in play, pay

                  I have to agree with Tatonka - Nate is vital to this team both on D and Special teams - Terrence McGee shifting to #1 doesn't make me too comfortable regardless of whether or not Troy Vincent gets pullled from safety if we lose Clements.

                  To tell you the truth, comparing Bailey to Clements is kinda whack - Bailey stunk it up last season - Clements however made many, many plays and rarely got burned. Clements owned Chad Johnson all day against the Bengals too. We're gonna need his kind of coverage if we're gonna take the next step.
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                  • alohabillsfan
                    Registered User
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 3206

                    #10
                    Re: Clements isn't elite in play, pay

                    I agree he is a very good corner but you cannot mortgage the future on 1 player (see Patriots plan) if we pay huge dollars to nate don't complain that we cut Eric, lose Sam, and have zero dollars for the coveted LT everybody wants. I say franchise him trade ( AKA peerless) him for a 1st and a 3rd or 4th and then draft a DB and DT in the 1st round next year!

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                    • mysticsoto
                      Too sober for this...
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 31439

                      #11
                      Re: Clements isn't elite in play, pay

                      Originally posted by ublinkwescore
                      I have to agree with Tatonka - Nate is vital to this team both on D and Special teams - Terrence McGee shifting to #1 doesn't make me too comfortable regardless of whether or not Troy Vincent gets pullled from safety if we lose Clements.

                      To tell you the truth, comparing Bailey to Clements is kinda whack - Bailey stunk it up last season - Clements however made many, many plays and rarely got burned. Clements owned Chad Johnson all day against the Bengals too. We're gonna need his kind of coverage if we're gonna take the next step.
                      I'd like to keep NC myself, but not at Champ Bailey type money. That just kills us in terms of what we can do. And given that in 2007, alot of players will become FAs, I don't want to go into rebuilding mode just to keep Nate. Franchise him if we have to for next year and sign everyone else that we need to sign. This is a team and it can't be all about what one player wants...

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                      • ublinkwescore
                        Sab and TD are insignificant
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 24178

                        #12
                        Re: Clements isn't elite in play, pay

                        who says we have to give him champ bailey type of money?

                        are there gonna be any other top 10 corners that will be on the market?

                        if there are, that could drive his price down. Not to mention how deep will the draft be at CB?
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                        • Tatonka
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 21289

                          #13
                          Re: Clements isn't elite in play, pay

                          this is the most rational arguement i have seen ublink make.
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                          • ublinkwescore
                            Sab and TD are insignificant
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 24178

                            #14
                            Re: Clements isn't elite in play, pay

                            You don't see too many of my posts then.
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                            • Jan Reimers
                              Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
                              • May 2003
                              • 17353

                              #15
                              Re: Clements isn't elite in play, pay

                              One thing is for sure: TD will not overpay. Just look at Schobel, whom he re-signed at a very reasonable price, versus JJ and Fat Pat, whose ridiculous demands had to be met elsewhere.
                              Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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