How much time should a QB be given to develop into a viable starter?

[OpIv37]

DISCLAIMER: This is NOT a bash JP thread- it's only a hypothetical question. I'm not giving up on JP yet- just trying to get opinions.

We've had some crappy QB's over the years, and I definitely think we held on to RJ and Todd Collins too long. I see other teams doing the same thing- the Redskins with Ramsey, the Ravens with Boller- and it makes me happy that the Bills aren't in that situation at the moment. But at the same time I want to figure out how to avoid it in the future.

So how much time should JP (or any other young QB) be given to become a viable starter? A year? Two years? 8 games? I think JP will be good enough that it won't matter. But if he puts up Boller-like numbers in '05 and '06, I hope to hell we're not still starting him in 2007.

[Novacane]

Re: How much time should a QB be given to develop into a viable starter?

We should have a pretty good idea if JP is gonna be any good by the end of this year. If he does not show any progress as the season goes on I'll start to worry. I'm not worried about that happening though

[Novacane]

Re: How much time should a QB be given to develop into a viable starter?

I'd say Boller is a bust at this point

[G. Host]

Re: How much time should a QB be given to develop into a viable starter?

"It varies"

It depends on how much QB is being paid, how good the talent is on offense and what other talent is available. There is no fixed number.

[The Natrix]

Re: How much time should a QB be given to develop into a viable starter?

I say the first 14 regular season games if he shows absolutely nothing and the Bills are out of the playoff race. Dump him after 3 years if he is still a questionable starter.

[The_Philster]

Re: How much time should a QB be given to develop into a viable starter?

Tough question..definitely should show some significant progress by mid-season, IMO. I still say the McNair model is the best way of developing a QB

I definitely think we held on to RJ and Todd Collins too long.

Collins only started for one season...

[Night Train]

Re: How much time should a QB be given to develop into a viable starter?

3 pre-season games.Then throw him under the bus. Oh wait. You're asking what WE think.

[The last buffalo fan]

Re: How much time should a QB be given to develop into a viable starter?

Because he is different "kind" of quaterback, and is a "run-gun-fun" type, I think he will get more time than those two guys you have mentioned, no less than two seasons and only if TD is around. Because as you can see it with Wire, he "supports" alot his people. Plus the guy has the natural talent, and as most of the people here at zone said, litte problem is, it's a raw talent. I'm sure, he won't need that long to prove the league or people wrong.

[OpIv37]

Re: How much time should a QB be given to develop into a viable starter?

Because he is different "kind" of quaterback, and is a "run-gun-fun" type, I think he will get more time than those two guys you have mentioned, no less than two seasons and only if TD is around. Because as you can see it with Wire, he "supports" alot his people. Plus the guy has the natural talent, and as most of the people here at zone said, litte problem is, it's a raw talent. I'm sure, he won't need that long to prove the league or people wrong.

blah blah blah- you're just defending him cuz he's part Mexican.

j/k amigo- good post.

[Night Train]

Re: How much time should a QB be given to develop into a viable starter?

Thanks for the Neg Rep OpIv37. Sorry I hurt your feelings.

The Bills will yank Losman quickly and put in Holcomb, if he's costing us games like Bledsoe did. St. Drew was above being replaced and we won games in SPITE of him for the last 2 years.

Still, I survived your multiple bellyaching threads over the weekend. You have to realize how whiney you come across.

[The last buffalo fan]

Re: How much time should a QB be given to develop into a viable starter?

[QUOTE=OpIv37]blah blah blah- you're just defending him cuz he's part Mexican.

Is he?? Damn, now I'm sure he is good and hansome!!!

[X-Era]

Re: How much time should a QB be given to develop into a viable starter?

DISCLAIMER: This is NOT a bash JP thread- it's only a hypothetical question. I'm not giving up on JP yet- just trying to get opinions.

We've had some crappy QB's over the years, and I definitely think we held on to RJ and Todd Collins too long. I see other teams doing the same thing- the Redskins with Ramsey, the Ravens with Boller- and it makes me happy that the Bills aren't in that situation at the moment. But at the same time I want to figure out how to avoid it in the future.

So how much time should JP (or any other young QB) be given to become a viable starter? A year? Two years? 8 games? I think JP will be good enough that it won't matter. But if he puts up Boller-like numbers in '05 and '06, I hope to hell we're not still starting him in 2007.

This is my last response to ridiculous raving. You sound pretty unitelligent at this point.

In response to your question:

Peyton Manning went 3 and 13 his first year starting all his games and the started the next year as well.

I dont even need to tell you how good Manning is.

So, the answer is as at least as long as a full season plus the start or mid way through the next, IMO.

[X-Era]

Re: How much time should a QB be given to develop into a viable starter?

Thanks for the Neg Rep OpIv37. Sorry I hurt your feelings.

The Bills will yank Losman quickly and put in Holcomb, if he's costing us games like Bledsoe did. St. Drew was above being replaced and we won games in SPITE of him for the last 2 years.

Still, I survived your multiple bellyaching threads over the weekend. You have to realize how whiney you come across.

WRONG, standby for your disappointment when he remains that starter after the inevitable bad games. Holcomd wont see the field this year or next unless theres injury and regardless of the record.

[PatsowntheNFL]

Re: How much time should a QB be given to develop into a viable starter?

DISCLAIMER: This is NOT a bash JP thread- it's only a hypothetical question. I'm not giving up on JP yet- just trying to get opinions.

We've had some crappy QB's over the years, and I definitely think we held on to RJ and Todd Collins too long. I see other teams doing the same thing- the Redskins with Ramsey, the Ravens with Boller- and it makes me happy that the Bills aren't in that situation at the moment. But at the same time I want to figure out how to avoid it in the future.

So how much time should JP (or any other young QB) be given to become a viable starter? A year? Two years? 8 games? I think JP will be good enough that it won't matter. But if he puts up Boller-like numbers in '05 and '06, I hope to hell we're not still starting him in 2007.

lessman will be benched by the 6th game in favor of holcomb. Your right the bills have had some crap QBS for years now. Even Jim Kelly was a big game choker...translation: he's no tom brady.

[buffalofan19]

Re: How much time should a QB be given to develop into a viable starter?

This is my last response to ridiculous raving. You sound pretty unitelligent at this point.

In response to your question:

Peyton Manning went 3 and 13 his first year starting all his games and the started the next year as well.

I dont even need to tell you how good Manning is.

So, the answer is as at least as long as a full season plus the start or mid way through the next, IMO.

There is a huge difference. In Peyton Manning's rookie year, the Colts really did not expect to make the playoffs. They really did not have that good a team. The Bills do. Donahoe explicitly said that they were contenders and fully expected to make the playoffs this year, despite starting a guy who has thrown 5 career passes. So, if he does not get the job done, then I would pull him, just because of the expectations for this team.