Bills and us need fresh air

[vicmantak]

Please, I'm not trying to add negativeness to this board but during his tenure as the Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator, Tom Clements has simply shown two things to this organization from the beginning:

1. ANYTHING
2. UNACHIEVEMENT

I wonder where is the offensive minded-team Bills wanted to build when head coach Mike Mularkey was hired?

I don't know but players like Takeo Spikes and fans like all of us really need "oxygen" to this coming large season ---- from my eyes it's simply insane to see a young unexperienced "promise" ahead of personalities like Sam Wyche and Jim McNally...

Please, destroy me if I'm wrong.

[mysticsoto]

Re: Bills and us need fresh air

Please, I'm not trying to add negativeness to this board but during his tenure as the Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator, Tom Clements has simply shown two things to this organization from the beginning:

1. ANYTHING
2. UNACHIEVEMENT

I wonder where is the offensive minded-team Bills wanted to build when head coach Mike Mularkey was hired?

I don't know but players like Takeo Spikes and fans like all of us really need "oxygen" to this coming large season ---- from my eyes it's simply insane to see a young unexperienced "promise" ahead of personalities like Sam Wyche and Jim McNally...

Please, destroy me if I'm wrong.

I'm going to agree with what I heard one of the analysts saying after the game (forgot his name). Someone called in the radio and said that the play calling was un-creative and the analysts said, "Maybe, but what good is blaming the play calling when the players themselves aren't executing?" Do we really think that if Tom had called a different play at some points, that the Bills would have all of a sudden won the game? It was a complete breakdown's on the players parts. It wasn't like a 4th and 1 call lost us the game. You can't blame Clements for the bad throws JP had, or the sack in the endzone he took, or McGahee dancing behind the Oline, or the Oline allowing defenders through like water...

[justasportsfan]

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I agree it was conservative. But I'm not ready to say Tom Clements is a bust after 1 loss. I mean cmon ,we were 0-4 at the start of last year. We're 1-1 and still in the thick of things. The sky is not falling people. Did you guys expect Clements to turn the team into the Colts in his first year last year? The colts should've given up on their OC and Manning in his first 2 years , yeah. That's the way to go.

[Luisito23]

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I'm not ready to say Tom Clements is a bust after 1 loss.

Me neither Mr. Bean........




GO BILLS!!!!!!!!

[OpIv37]

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It wasn't like a 4th and 1 call lost us the game. You can't blame Clements for the bad throws JP had, or the sack in the endzone he took, or McGahee dancing behind the Oline, or the Oline allowing defenders through like water...

I agree on the rest of it, but I do blame clements for the safety. We should have just pounded the ball with quick, straight ahead running plays and punted if we had to.

[vicmantak]

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I'm not ready to say Tom Clements is a bust after 1 loss. Did you guys expect Clements to turn the team into the Colts in his first year last year? The colts should've given up on their OC and Manning in his first 2 years , yeah. That's the way to go.

I agree that it's too early to say that Tom Clements is a bust but it's not only after 1 loss...
On the other hand, none expected Clements to turn Bills offense into a Colts type of scoring machine in his first year but --- to be sincere I don't remember any comments that Manning suffered very poor playcalls in his first years...

[Ebenezer]

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nobody said anything last year when they went 9-7.

[vicmantak]

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Do we really think that if Tom had called a different play at some points, that the Bills would have all of a sudden won the game? It was a complete breakdown's on the players parts. It wasn't like a 4th and 1 call lost us the game. You can't blame Clements for the bad throws JP had, or the sack in the endzone he took, or McGahee dancing behind the Oline, or the Oline allowing defenders through like water...

mysticsoto, unfortunately I'm not the only one who thinks that Tom Clements hasn't shown anything yet. The Sports Xchange made the following comments about the coaching staff:

COACHING
D -- The Bills, who won their last four road games last season, obviously forgot some things. Like how to get off to a fast start and take the home crowd out of it. Like how to run the ball, stop the run, and control the clock. Like how to force turnovers. Coach Mike Mularkey and company will have to go back to the drawing board to get Losman ready for road tests at New Orleans (in San Antonio), with Oakland and New England on the horizon. Offensive coordinator Tom Clements didn't do Losman any favors by calling for a pass on third-and-7 at their own 4-yard line, resulting in a momentum-shifting safety. The smart call was to run, take a punt and keep playing for field position. The team also underutilized the screen pass and draw plays when it knew Losman was struggling. The Bills fell to 2-6 all-time in Tampa Bay, not counting their Super Bowl loss to the Giants.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/report/BUF/8869895

On the other hand I agree that you cant blame Clements for bad throws, or a dancing RB behind the Oline, or a Oline allowing defenders do whatever they want... but if I'm not wrong, his most important job as an Offensive coordinator is create, propose, detect, prevent, explode and put the pieces on the right place.

Anyway I know that it's too early to critice Clements but Texans have just released their offensive coordinator because they have just scored only two TD this season against Buffalo and Pittsburgh --- and IMO it's not a bad idea.
I know that any people who knows about American football knows that Texans made a big mistake letting Joe Pendry take the play-calling responsabilities but as a "little" difference with them, it's not difficult to see 90% of Bills fans happy to see Sam Wyche taking this responsability if Bills decide to do this kind of key-decission...

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3359967

[HAMMER]

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Gimme a flippin break, the players were the ones that got physically whooped, "Punched in the Mouth" . Sorry fairweathers, but it wasn't the coaches fault.

[Jan Reimers]

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I said to my wife while we were watching the game that I didn't understand the play calling. I thougt it was unimaginative and conservative to the point where we played right into Tampa Bay's hands. It looked like Joe Pendry revisited.

But the execution was bad, too, so I'm not quite ready to throw Clements under the bus--yet.

[Sportsuser101]

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Yeah thats right blame 1 of the better new offensive coordinators in the league for our start. Without him we wouldn't have won 1 game.

[The Spaz]

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Apparently you didn't like Tom Clements play calling when we won 10 of the last 13 games or so...

[vicmantak]

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I didn't understand the play calling. I thougt it was unimaginative and conservative to the point where we played right into Tampa Bay's hands. It looked like Joe Pendry revisited.

But the execution was bad, too, so I'm not quite ready to throw Clements under the bus--yet.

Jan, it's true but IMO Bills panorama really need fresh air as soon as possible...

If Belichick doesn't have anyone, where's the challenge?
If Texans released their offensive coordinator because they only scored two TD against two of the most respectable defenses, where's the enigma?

IMO many fans will agree that Tom Clements looks like the last emperor (a little smart but innocent kid...) behind someone like Wyche or McNally...

I don't know but in Wyche and McNally I trust.

[OpIv37]

Re: Bills and us need fresh air

Please, I'm not trying to add negativeness to this board but during his tenure as the Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator, Tom Clements has simply shown two things to this organization from the beginning:

1. ANYTHING
2. UNACHIEVEMENT

I wonder where is the offensive minded-team Bills wanted to build when head coach Mike Mularkey was hired?

I don't know but players like Takeo Spikes and fans like all of us really need "oxygen" to this coming large season ---- from my eyes it's simply insane to see a young unexperienced "promise" ahead of personalities like Sam Wyche and Jim McNally...

Please, destroy me if I'm wrong.

shhh.... don't say anything bad about the Bills- Tatonka will label you a "whiner" and tell everyone you're not a real fan.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

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It's not difficult to understand the play calling of that game. Just count it how many times we went: pass, run, pass, punt, after the first series where a 1st down run got us nowhere.

The whole idea of Bills offense right now is to make it manageable distance so that Losman does not have to face 3rd and long so that his running can pose a threat. I genuinely believe that Mularkay is more angry at McGahee dancing and not hitting any crease he could to make a few yards than Losman can not finding his mark on his first down passes (something the coaches might expect) - maybe that's why Mularkay called out McGahee in his comments.

The Bucs were very well prepared defensively. They saw what Losman did in the 1st half of the Texans game and covered the 10 - 15 yard are in the middle very well. After a few slant passes resulted near INTs, Losman simply would not go there again, working exclusive to the flats, even then he's afraid to throw the ball near defenders, resulting uncatchable balls.

The way I see it, Losman showed he's a rookie. 1) again the game seems too fast to him that he could actually uses a bit more time where his protection in the early part was quite adequate for plays to develop; 2) he panicked with the near INTs and that he starts to stare down his favorite receivers like all of them, good or bad QBs, do in panick mode, resulting more trouble.

To me, Clements at that point is better of stick to the run at that point. Focusing on getting the run to work, at least to some extent. It's really unwise to place all the burden on Losman.

If the run game works, defenders cannot zero in on Losman. Just ask Griese, ask Roethlisberger. That's when the QBs find it is easy to find open targets.

For the Bills this week, it's back to square one: run the ball and stop the run. Aint that the truth for winning football games.