TD and JPL

**JBrownFinFan** · 10-04-2005, 05:51 PM

Re: TD and JPL

**finsrclowns** · 10-04-2005, 05:51 PM

Re: TD and JPL

Originally posted by illusionone

Now, everytime you read something Bills related, they are slamming the kid. I don't think that would have been the case under my senario.

-illusionone

If he won the job and played exactly like he has I doubt he gets much more slack from the media as opposed to simply being named starter. I mean it's not like he didn't have the support and best wishes of everyone going in. He's getting panned for his play on the field, period. Whether he should have been named default starter in the first place is another issue (IMO he shouldn't have been). The bottom line is we were close to the playoffs last year and JP is on pace for a 4 win season. I can't see how JP got the job changes how anyone feels about that fact.

**illusionone** · 10-04-2005, 06:51 PM

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I see your point, but if JP had won the job and played like he has to date than they could have gone to DB as the back up who was familiar with the system and the players, and maybe save the season. As far as the media is concerned, the expectation wouldn't have been so high if he wasn't labeled a play-off caliber QB. TD and MM both came out and said that they felt they had a better chance of making the post season with JP automaticly creating a false hope.

IMHO,

-illusionone

Originally posted by finsrclowns

If he won the job and played exactly like he has I doubt he gets much more slack from the media as opposed to simply being named starter. I mean it's not like he didn't have the support and best wishes of everyone going in. He's getting panned for his play on the field, period. Whether he should have been named default starter in the first place is another issue (IMO he shouldn't have been). The bottom line is we were close to the playoffs last year and JP is on pace for a 4 win season. I can't see how JP got the job changes how anyone feels about that fact.

**EDS** · 10-04-2005, 07:14 PM

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Let me ask you a question: What the heck else would ANY GM worth a damn say about a team that just missed the playoffs and made the decision to go with a young QB?

Would he say the team is not good enough to make the playoffs with the kidd QB? No. Cinncinnati (Kitna to Palmer), NY Giants (Warner to Manning), Jacksonville (Brunell to Leftwich), are examples of recent teams with playoff aspirations that made the switch to young QBs. I doubt any of those GMs said the team was going to be worse in the long run with the young QB.

Besides, are fans so naive as to believe everything a GM, coach or sportswriter says? No, of course not. Did you honestly think the Bills would not struggle at the start of the season with a virtual rookie QB? Do you think Bledsoe was going to take the Bills to the Super Bowl? No again. So why not move on and see if the kid can play?

I cannot believe the lack of patience and long term vision some people have. JP needs to take his lumps this year (like Manning did last year, and Leftwich, Palmer and others did as first year players) so that the Bills can be good next year.

**illusionone** · 10-04-2005, 07:32 PM

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1st off - if you ask 85% of the people on this list if they thought based off of the media, TD & MM comments about JP, if they thought, going into the season that JP was ready to take a play-off caliber team to the play-offs, I bet they would all say yes I thought he could.

This team was ready to go into the play-offs, this is a good football team, and to throw an inexperienced QB in the mold was just down right foolish.

Again, this team is rebuilt minus the QB position, seriously, they set the franchise back at least 2-3 years. I'm not saying they had to stick with Bledsoe, but they should have tried another option other than an unproven JP. At best they shouldn't of handed the keys to a play-off caliber team to a rookie. They should have made him beat out another QB in training camp.

My original point was not to pit Bledsoe vs Losman. My point was that everybody painted a rosy picture of the "FUTURE" and never sat back to realize the pressure cooker they were putting him in by making him out to be something he wasn't (they meaning TD & MM). MM and TD have been around long enough to know that a mediocre football team in the 05-06 season would not cut it with Bills fans. They had to have known that their little experiment, if failed, would do allot of damage to the club and to JP's confidence. Lets face it, the Bills fan base historicly is not kind when it comes to their struggling QB's......

-illusionone

Originally posted by EDS

Let me ask you a question: What the heck else would ANY GM worth a damn say about a team that just missed the playoffs and made the decision to go with a young QB?

Would he say the team is not good enough to make the playoffs with the kidd QB? No. Cinncinnati (Kitna to Palmer), NY Giants (Warner to Manning), Jacksonville (Brunell to Leftwich), are examples of recent teams with playoff aspirations that made the switch to young QBs. I doubt any of those GMs said the team was going to be worse in the long run with the young QB.

Besides, are fans so naive as to believe everything a GM, coach or sportswriter says? No, of course not. Did you honestly think the Bills would not struggle at the start of the season with a virtual rookie QB? Do you think Bledsoe was going to take the Bills to the Super Bowl? No again. So why not move on and see if the kid can play?

I cannot believe the lack of patience and long term vision some people have. JP needs to take his lumps this year (like Manning did last year, and Leftwich, Palmer and others did as first year players) so that the Bills can be good next year.

**finsrclowns** · 10-04-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by illusionone

I see your point, but if JP had won the job and played like he has to date than they could have gone to DB as the back up who was familiar with the system and the players, and maybe save the season. As far as the media is concerned, the expectation wouldn't have been so high if he wasn't labeled a play-off caliber QB. TD and MM both came out and said that they felt they had a better chance of making the post season with JP automaticly creating a false hope.

IMHO,

-illusionone

At the end of the day either JP can play or he can't. Are you saying he's worried about the Buffalo News when he's bouncing throws and missing reads? Bad is bad. Personally I'm glad Bledsoe's not here to clean up TD and Mularkey's mess. Based on what I've seen if there had been a real open competition for the starting job JP wouldn't have beaten out Bledsoe or Holcomb or Matthews. So I give TD and Mularkey some credit for at least being honest with Bledsoe instead of pretending there was a competition and then sandbagging him. That's not to say JP won't improve. But to say he was ready to lead a playoff push preseason was always pie in the sky. That much is obvious.

**finsrclowns** · 10-04-2005, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by illusionone

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Again, this team is rebuilt minus the QB position, seriously, they set the franchise back at least 2-3 years. I'm not saying they had to stick with Bledsoe, but they should have tried another option other than an unproven JP. At best they shouldn't of handed the keys to a play-off caliber team to a rookie. They should have made him beat out another QB in training camp.

-illusionone

We're not totally out of it right now. So please tell me why Kelly Holcomb isn't playing on Sunday? He's getting almost as much money this year as Bledsoe is making in Dallas and Bledsoe's starting. Did they sign him to play only if JP gets hurt? I would have thought he was also "JP's not ready" insurance. If he wasn't, then the whole "no step back" propaganda was indeed a sick charade.

**illusionone** · 10-04-2005, 07:44 PM

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I don't see how you give them credit. If he couldn't beat out the three QB's you mentioned why would they go with him. This team, last year, was clearly a near play-off team. They took a team that was almost there, and sent them the wrong freakin way. With the way things are in the NFL you have to strike while the iron's hot - look at the Pats, they struck while the iron was hot, now a few key players gone and injuries, they could be middle of the road for awhile. The Bills are letting there moment slip away - even if JP comes around in the next year or so, they are 2 injuries away from being a middle of the road team again. The Bills do not have the depth that the Pats had over the last 4 years.

As far as thge Pie in the sky comment - again, they had the make-up of a great football team, why would they let it slip away by jumping the gun.

I don't blame the players, I blame management,

-illusionone

Originally posted by finsrclowns

At the end of the day either JP can play or he can't. Are you saying he's worried about the Buffalo News when he's bouncing throws and missing reads? Bad is bad. Personally I'm glad Bledsoe's not here to clean up TD and Mularkey's mess. Based on what I've seen if there had been a real open competition for the starting job JP wouldn't have beaten out Bledsoe or Holcomb or Matthews. So I give TD and Mularkey some credit for at least being honest with Bledsoe instead of pretending there was a competition and then sandbagging him. That's not to say JP won't improve. But to say he was ready to lead a playoff push preseason was always pie in the sky. That much is obvious.

**illusionone** · 10-04-2005, 07:49 PM

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I agree - Why not put him - If they signed KH as insurance, then the time is now. This isn't the NFC where you can win your division playing .500 ball. They really need to evaluate the situation and put in the QB that will win games and not save face.

-illusionone

Originally posted by finsrclowns

We're not totally out of it right now. So please tell me why Kelly Holcomb isn't playing on Sunday? He's getting almost as much money this year as Bledsoe is making in Dallas and Bledsoe's starting. Did they sign him to play only if JP gets hurt? I would have thought he was also "JP's not ready" insurance. If he wasn't, then the whole "no step back" propaganda was indeed a sick charade.

**finsrclowns** · 10-04-2005, 07:51 PM

Re: TD and JPL

Originally posted by illusionone

I don't see how you give them credit. If he couldn't beat out the three QB's you mentioned why would they go with him. This team, last year, was clearly a near play-off team. They took a team that was almost there, and sent them the wrong freakin way. With the way things are in the NFL you have to strike while the iron's hot - look at the Pats, they struck while the iron was hot, now a few key players gone and injuries, they could be middle of the road for awhile. The Bills are letting there moment slip away - even if JP comes around in the next year or so, they are 2 injuries away from being a middle of the road team again. The Bills do not have the depth that the Pats had over the last 4 years.

As far as thge Pie in the sky comment - again, they had the make-up of a great football team, why would they let it slip away by jumping the gun.

I don't blame the players, I blame management,

-illusionone

I agree they went about it wrong. Your original point was somehow that has impacted JP's play. That's the part that doesn't hold water with me. He is what he is.

**finsrclowns** · 10-04-2005, 07:56 PM

Re: TD and JPL

Originally posted by illusionone

I agree - Why not put him - If they signed KH as insurance, then the time is now. This isn't the NFC where you can win your division playing .500 ball. They really need to evaluate the situation and put in the QB that will win games and not save face.

-illusionone

You're right. I haven't heard one single cogent argument for why giving KH 4 games to see if he can right a sinking ship is a bad idea. Not one. But it appears the majority polled have the backbone of the French army.

**illusionone** · 10-04-2005, 07:59 PM

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I could see how a new QB could come into a pressure cooker (AKA Buffalo NY) and be completely dazzled from bad press, frustrated teammates. I could see how he could have that on his mind while he was playing, how it could bother him and somehow affect his play.

It takes years of experience and hard times in order to build a resistance to that kind of pressure.

-illusionone

Originally posted by finsrclowns

I agree they went about it wrong. Your original point was somehow that has impacted JP's play. That's the part that doesn't hold water with me. He is what he is.

**illusionone** · 10-04-2005, 08:02 PM

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lol! At this point I feel that leaving JP in to get thrown around would do more harm than sitting him for 4 games.
It's only going to get worse - when he plays the phins or Pats, they are going to destroy him - it's just not fair.

Originally posted by finsrclowns

You're right. I haven't heard one single cogent argument for why giving KH 4 games to see if he can right a sinking ship is a bad idea. Not one. But it appears the majority polled have the backbone of the French army.

**finsrclowns** · 10-04-2005, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by illusionone

lol! At this point I feel that leaving JP in to get thrown around would do more harm than sitting him for 4 games.
It's only going to get worse - when he plays the phins or Pats, they are going to destroy him - it's just not fair.

See that's my point- IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT JP AND HIS WIDDLE FEELINGS. I'm not concerned sitting him would hurt his confidence. I'm not concerned playing him will hurt his confidence. I'm concerned about the Buffalo Bills winning games, beginning this Sunday. Any other agenda makes no sense to me.

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