THE once and for all post on the QB situation!

[X-Era]

Rather than endlessly start thread after thread after thread onthe QB situation, i propose we combine all these posts into one ultimate thread.

Here we are, post away, lets get it out of our systems and do it in one place.

What say you? Surely we must clear the board of the "parallel" post. Back me up here and lets simply run one big post on this topic.

I will start it off.

1) Now, 6 games in, I feel I have deviated in my opinion on this topic very little. When Holcomb was brought in here it was as an insurance policy if Losman faulters. Losman did faulter, and Holcomb is starting. Its just that simple. Furthermore, a Holcomb lead team is now winning. Any fan who claims to root for the Bills must acknowledge that winning is the whole ball of wax, its just that simple. We cannot complain about wins, period.

2) However, what was NOT done with the intention of having Holcomb lead us to a SB or win one. I have not heard any member of the Bills organization say as much. Its what they are NOT saying that means something here. If no one is mentioning Holcomb as a SB caliper QB, then it follows that not too many people believe he can or will lead us there. Now, its still an easy equation, if Holcomb starts and the team keeps winning, we win the SB. But there in lies the rub. When do the winning Bills wear off? This perspective may be 2 games too early, or may be the rest of the season too early, I dont know and neither does anyone else. But the fact still remains that very few people including the Bills believe Holcomb is your SB QB. Can it happen? sure, keep winning. Will it happen, the chances are very slim IMO.

3) Obviously the thrust of this thread does not speak to the rest of the team but only the QB. This is, therefore, an incomplete look at the situation. Ask Jake Delhomme, a Warner lead Rams, or a Garcia lead SF team. All of which represent average, serviceable, QB's who play/played on squads who had a real chance at the playoffs and possibly the SB with these guys at the helm. This speaks to the notion held by many that you can win a SB without a star at QB. Yes, it can be done. Lets get that out there right now. However, IMO it will NOT be done in Buffalo in my lifetime. Why? because we have the following: 1) a GM who has had several chances to get SB caliper coaches yet grabbed 2 guys with zero head coaching experience instead, 2) a gm who refuses to sign big name and expensive OL talent but is willing to wet some fans appettites with a high 1st round draftee, 3) for some reason we perpetually end up with players who play down to the level of competition and dont show mental toughness over and over, 4) we in Buffalo still may have some dark cloud over our heads (im not sure I believe it, but many fans do). So, for all these reasons I feel the notion that an average QB starting here in Buffalo and taking us to the SB is so very very remote. How we did we fair with Collins, RJ, and Drew? Its been proven here over and over. In fact, many (including the skipping record guy who shall not be named but will respond quickly) would show you a Drew lead team in Dallas that is very very successful. Really what that shows us is exactly my point. That an average QB on this team wont get it done. However, put that same guy on a team with a great o-line and a SB winning coach and you have a recipe for the SB. Its just further proof that we need the second coming of Kelly to win here. When will we learn?

4) Back to our current situation. We now are starting Holcomb. IMO, the winning will end without a SB victory. When that happens, we are in the exact same boat we were at the start of the season. So, then, what was the point? Again, keep winning and you wont hear whining. But when it ends, where are we? Well bakc in the same boat where we need a star at QB. How do we do that? Does anybody truly believe that the same GM who wouldnt sign a SB caliper coach would now trade for or sign a SB caliper QB outright? Lets assume for a moment that Drew Brees becomes a FA and the Bills belive Drew is a SB QB (obvioulsy many people would debate that). Does anyone believe that TD would pay maybe the 8 to 10 mil per that it would require to sign him? OK, there go the sign a guy plan. How about a trade. What team in there right mind would trade their star QB for anything in the world? The Vikes have an off the field mess right now, would they trade Culpepper to us? What would it take and would TD give up that much? Losman and 2 1st rounders? Would they take it? Would it be worth it? I think I would make that trade honestly, but if it were made, would we all quietly say that was a great move? Hell no, the same people that hated us drafting Losman will be here blasting away at giving up so much. The bargain basement shoppers will want the next Gracia even though that guy could not possibly lead the Bills to the SB because of all the reasons I stated in #3. Would I like the move, yes, but watching TD so far, its a HUGE bet that he simply wouldnt make that move.

5) If you buy into #1, 2, 3, and 4, it stand to reason that we are in an almost inaleinable position here in Buffalo. We MUST do the following to finally get redemption for 4 SB losses for this blue-collar city. We MUST: 1) draft a QB with loads of potential, 2) draft a QB with a fire in his gut only rivaled by Kelly, 3) start that guy, 4) stand by through the highs and lows until he develops to the point where we have built our own star. Can we make a bad pick? absolutely, but we simply wont know for many many games. If the growth ends, it the development stops, if the same mistakes are repeated over and over through a dozens games with no signs of it getting fixed, you an be convinced you screwed up and picked the wrong guy. That leads us to Losman.

6) I do not now, and may not ever try to claim that Losman is OUR guy who will lead us to the SB. So save the responses that talk about me being a Losman lover. It just aint true. What I see in him is several of the attributes that OUR QB should have. Losman surely has a fire in his gut to play; he also has an attitude. It remains to be seen whether that means he is the next Kelly, a LB who plays QB, or the next Leaf who would simply explode or rather implode on himself and destroy any chances he ever would have to be good. Again, the potential for the right approach is there in Losman it is just unproven and unknown right now. I also believe that a team that wont sign or draft a great o-line better have a QB who can run. Losman certainly can do that, thats a known. I think it will always help a QB's cause when he can throw the ball hard. Touch is wonderful, but if you simply cant throw far enough to hit Evans open 40 yards down the field, accuracy is then worthless. Losman also has one hell of a rocket for an arm. So, with so many of the attributes that the Bills should be wanting in a QB seemingly possible with Losman, why is he not the fit? Well, we just dont know. We dont know if he EVER will be the guy. We wont know until he plays LOTS LOTS more.

So finally, following my logic, it just seems a bit shortsighted to me to have dumped Losman in favor of a guy who is winning now but is likely to quickly stop being the answer. And in the mean time, we have possibly put off any additional forward movement towards our possible SB win. In the end, I am conflicted. I want that SB win, I think that is about the ONLY thing that us fans can all agree on. I also feel pretty strongly that Holcomb wont do it or wont be enough to do it. But, right now we are winning. A few weeks ago we werent winning with Losman. I cant disagree with starting Holcomb right now. But you can bet that I will disagree with starting him if and IMO when we start losing again.

Keep winning, lets win the SB, i dont give 2 sh_ts honestly who it is at QB when we do it, and we will. But until we do, if you were to ask my opinion on who it should be, I would say it needs to be the second coming of Kelly, not the first coming of Holcomb!

[The King]

:tired:

[jamze132]

It's too long to read it all. Lets just go run some sprints and call it a day.

[X-Era]

:tired:

OK, your not a fan of going into it that deep.

Well answer this:

Is the Bills organization commited to doing what it takes to win a SB here in Buffalo?

My answer is NO. If you dont believe Holcomb can do it, why is he starting? If it aint Holcomb and it aint Losman, who is it and when exactly doe sthe Bills org plan to get that guy?

[Pride]

Your continuous spamming of the boards with your QB rhetoric is getting old... any further threads started regarding the QB issue, will be moved to the spamzone.

[The King]

OK, your not a fan of going into it that deep.

Well answer this:

Is the Bills organization commited to doing what it takes to win a SB here in Buffalo?

My answer is NO. If you dont believe Holcomb can do it, why is he starting? If it aint Holcomb and it aint Losman, who is it and when exactly doe sthe Bills org plan to get that guy?

I think they are commited. I just dont think they are smart enough. TD has made some solid moves. But as a whole everything the Bills do is inconsistant. If they organization has a plan they need to stick to it. Look at NE they have had numerous changes over the last 4 seasons but their gameplan remains the same.

Now look at Buffalo, this team has had a different face every season since 1999. No one has time to buy into what you are doing as a team when it changes that frequently.

The answer is simple. Consistancy.... through out the organization.

[The King]

Your continuous spamming of the boards with your QB rhetoric is getting old... any further threads started regarding the QB issue, will be moved to the spamzone.

Dont worry I just added 160lbs of credibility to this thread.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Nice post jp-era... I would like to add just 1 thing...

The JP bashers often assume the argument that JP would simply muttle along like he did for that 3 game stretch. Therefore, if one were to support the notion of JP being the starter, they are automatically guilty of being willing to throw the season away.

It's my belief that JP would steadily improve to the point that (by the end of the season) he could be more capable than KH of leading this team, not only to the playoffs, but deep into them.

Now of course I reallize this is my opinion...

BUT STARTING JP DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN NO PLAYOFFS IN 2005...

Just like starting KH does not guarantee a playoff appearance.

[colin]

aside from calling out moulds because he couldn't rescue your ass drinking kancho boy, COULD YOU PLEASE STOP SAYING G___DDAMN CALIPER WHEN YOU MEAN CALIBER!!!!

spelling mistakes are great, i make one every time i type, but you are using the same wrong word over and over in your JP excusing tripe, please please please stop that.

[Mudflap1]

A few random thoughts...

Warner was a star, not average, when he won the Super Bowl and was a 2-time MVP. He hit the wall after that between injuries and a deteriorating offensive line.

Holcomb ain't the best. Could we win Super Bowl with him? I think we can. Do I think we will? Probably not. You don't need a spectacular QB, you need a guy that makes plays, good reads, and doesn't make mistakes. He does that (although he had a real clunker of an INT last game). He is a solid veteran.

Players that play to the level of their competition (good and bad) is a directly correlated to good and bad coaching.

I don't have a problem with Tom Donahoe picking two coaches with no head coaching experience. There were great guys out there like Weis, Crennel, Fox, and Lewis with no head coaching experience. My problem is he picked the bargain basement guys that seem to be chummy with him, rather than the best coach.

I don't have a problem with Tom Donahoe not picking up "big name" and "expensive" offensive linemen. However, he has lacked to pick up even solid veterans. That is my beef. You need a marquee guy or two, and some great depth and solid guys around them.

Jon

[AndreReed83]

I don't know of too many teams who openly gloat about the pieces they bring in during the off season as suddenly taking them to the Superbowl. Playoffs maybe, but most teams are quiet about going to a Superbowl, too many variables to consider to even possibly make that claim.

[colin]

I don't know of too many teams who openly gloat about the pieces they bring in during the off season as suddenly taking them to the Superbowl. Playoffs maybe, but most teams are quiet about going to a Superbowl, too many variables to consider to even possibly make that claim.

you do have to admit we need some one with super bowl calipers

[buffalofan19]

Now of course I reallize this is my opinion...

BUT STARTING JP DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN NO PLAYOFFS IN 2005...

Just like starting KH does not guarantee a playoff appearance.

True, but the chances of the Bills getting a playoff appearance is better with Kelly Holcomb than with JP Losman, at least as it stands now. The team seems to be responding better, and I don't care what anyone says about the gameplan or whatever, Kelly Holcomb has looked 100x more confident and comfortable than JP Losman has, and that is a big factor. My take on the Super Bowl thing is this. You have to get to the playoffs first in order to get to the Super Bowl. In other words, take it one step at a time. Once you get in, anything can happen. Look at the Jets last year, they barely squeezed into the playoffs and many could argue that Baltimore, Jacksonville, and even Buffalo were better teams last year. Once they got in, good things started to happen. They beat San Diego (largely because of Nate Kaeding missing that chipshot but still) and were incredibly close to beating the NFL's top team Pittsburgh at Heinz Field. Let's look at the year before. Carolina was a wild card team who went into powerhouse Philadelphia, knocked them out, and then took the almighty New England Patriots down to the wire in the Super Bowl.

My point is once you get into the playoffs, anything can happen, but you have to get there first. In order to do that, you have to go with your best chance to win games, and right now, that is Kelly Holcomb.

[X-Era]

Your continuous spamming of the boards with your QB rhetoric is getting old... any further threads started regarding the QB issue, will be moved to the spamzone.

OK, if I was J.P. is pathetic, I would understand this post. I am not. The whole point of this thread is to PREVENT spamming, not to add to it. My intention is to use this as a single thread to discuss the issue.

If you received all your e-mail on Viagra simply as one big long e-mail, rather than 1000 short ones. I think you would enjoy not opening it!

Dude, this is anti-spam.

[X-Era]

Nice post jp-era... I would like to add just 1 thing...

The JP bashers often assume the argument that JP would simply muttle along like he did for that 3 game stretch. Therefore, if one were to support the notion of JP being the starter, they are automatically guilty of being willing to throw the season away.

It's my belief that JP would steadily improve to the point that (by the end of the season) he could be more capable than KH of leading this team, not only to the playoffs, but deep into them.

Now of course I reallize this is my opinion...

BUT STARTING JP DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN NO PLAYOFFS IN 2005...

Just like starting KH does not guarantee a playoff appearance.

A very very good point. As I said before, Losman lost to 2 of the leagues best (ATL, TB), Holcomb has beaten 2 of the leagues worst (NYJ, Mia).

If your a Hol-cummer, you would ask what would he have done against TB and ATL.

If your a Los-man, you would ask what would JP have done against Mia and NYJ.

I can see both arguements and we will never know.

My opinion is JP would have looked just as good against both Miami and NYJ as Holcomb did. JP did look very Holcomb-esque against another wimp team, Houston after all.

[X-Era]

A few random thoughts...

Warner was a star, not average, when he won the Super Bowl and was a 2-time MVP. He hit the wall after that between injuries and a deteriorating offensive line.

Holcomb ain't the best. Could we win Super Bowl with him? I think we can. Do I think we will? Probably not. You don't need a spectacular QB, you need a guy that makes plays, good reads, and doesn't make mistakes. He does that (although he had a real clunker of an INT last game). He is a solid veteran.

Players that play to the level of their competition (good and bad) is a directly correlated to good and bad coaching.

I don't have a problem with Tom Donahoe picking two coaches with no head coaching experience. There were great guys out there like Weis, Crennel, Fox, and Lewis with no head coaching experience. My problem is he picked the bargain basement guys that seem to be chummy with him, rather than the best coach.

I don't have a problem with Tom Donahoe not picking up "big name" and "expensive" offensive linemen. However, he has lacked to pick up even solid veterans. That is my beef. You need a marquee guy or two, and some great depth and solid guys around them.

Jon

I agree with your takes on TD, but disagree with your call on Warner. Warner, Garcia, and Bledslow all had the same damn thing happen. Warner went to Ari and did squat. Drew came here and did squat, Garcia went to Det and has done squat. They are all average QB's who NEED alot of other things to go to the SB. I would argue that a star QB, such as Peyton, or McNabb would be a star no matter who they played for.

I feel we need a star here with Kellys attitude to go, because we cant seem to EVER have all the other stuff to have a average QB takes us.

[kinigirly]

i've realized that all this yapping about the QB situation isn't making me feel any better. that's cause no matter what valid points we have it doesn't change anything. we don't own the team, we don't make any decisions. i've noticed that the JPD/Holcombmania civil war has died down....many have accepted both QBs now. i'm just gonna watch football and wait for something to go down. whether the s@#t hits the fan, or we make history i will be waiting. as for now i will just jump in to the conversation for 2 reasons. reason #1 to try and rehabilitate JP is just pathetic. reason #2 to come out swinging when personal attacks on the players characters are made. having autistic kids beat me up everyday is making me tired. or maybe i just need a drink....

[TacklingDummy]

A very very good point. As I said before, Losman lost to 2 of the leagues best (ATL, TB),.

Atl. was missing most of their secondary and yet could only throw for 75 yards.

The Bills would have won that game and the N.O. game if Holcomb started. It would be alot better being 5-1 instead of 3-3 going into the tough part of the Bills schedule.

[X-Era]

Atl. was missing most of their secondary and yet could only throw for 75 yards.

The Bills would have won that game and the N.O. game if Holcomb started. It would be alot better being 5-1 instead of 3-3 going into the tough part of the Bills schedule.

Yep and I would have won the powerball if I had only played.

[X-Era]

i've realized that all this yapping about the QB situation isn't making me feel any better. that's cause no matter what valid points we have it doesn't change anything. we don't own the team, we don't make any decisions. i've noticed that the JPD/Holcombmania civil war has died down....many have accepted both QBs now. i'm just gonna watch football and wait for something to go down. whether the s@#t hits the fan, or we make history i will be waiting. as for now i will just jump in to the conversation for 2 reasons. reason #1 to try and rehabilitate JP is just pathetic. reason #2 to come out swinging when personal attacks on the players characters are made. having autistic kids beat me up everyday is making me tired. or maybe i just need a drink....

Hmmm, it seems everyone is juts plain sick and tired of discussing the QB issue. If i cant get you to join in, it must be time to let it die.

But then I dont understand why I can come here and see at least 4 QB related posts at any given time.

Why not simply use this thread as a chance to get it out of our collective systems.

[AndreReed83]

Well, the main reason you see so many QB threads is because the guy who controls both J. P. and Dudsoefan makes like, five threads at a time. Not too mention, people brought back a bunch of the threads from '04 today.

[TacklingDummy]

But then I dont understand why I can come here and see at least 4 QB related posts at any given time.
.

2 of them are usually yours and the other 2 are jp is just pathetic.

[kinigirly]

Hmmm, it seems everyone is juts plain sick and tired of discussing the QB issue. If i cant get you to join in, it must be time to let it die.

But then I dont understand why I can come here and see at least 4 QB related posts at any given time.

Why not simply use this thread as a chance to get it out of our collective systems.

tell you what...you get JP and Holcomb together for a QB debate session and have everyone here to attend...i'll join in. i'd like to hear what the QBs have to say for themselves. plus if i can debate face to face with people i'll get rowdier and more involved. how's thanksgiving weekend for everyone..we should all be home for the holidays!

[X-Era]

tell you what...you get JP and Holcomb together for a QB debate session and have everyone here to attend...i'll join in. i'd like to hear what the QBs have to say for themselves. plus if i can debate face to face with people i'll get rowdier and more involved. how's thanksgiving weekend for everyone..we should all be home for the holidays!

I like the idea but I think we should go with Jan 8th or 15th weekend, we will be home then too!:drool2:

Its meant for humor.

[X-Era]

2 of them are usually yours and the other 2 are jp is just pathetic.

Thanks?

The only thing haters manage to do is piss themselves off or just piss themselves.

[Lexwhat]

Rather than endlessly start thread after thread after thread onthe QB situation, i propose we combine all these posts into one ultimate thread.


That's like an oxymoron. Compared to anyone here, you start the most threads about the damn QB situation. By far. You especially killed me with that lame thread you started about Holcomb and the Bills lighting the league on fire and then Holcomb getting injured.

"What if we become the Pats just before Brady takes over?
What if we light the league on fire now, start a nice winning run. Get late into the season behind Holcomb and he gets hurt which brings in Losman.
At that point it will be too late for Eric and the other clowns to simply play like garbage with the playoffs straight in there sight, an dthey will have to suck it up and try to win with Losman. The coaches cant bench him."


Your ramblings are lame. Just to prove you start the most, here's the titles for all the threads you started in the past month about Holcomb, JP, or how Drew Bledsoe relates to our QB situation. (Not including this thread)

1. Why In the heck is anyone still talkin about Drew.
2. Losman loses vs. 2 of the best, Holcomb wins vs 2 of the worst.
3. Anyone else hear the warning alarms going off?
4. I aint believing Holcomb is our starter.
5. After further review, JP vs. Holcomb
6. Hey, I just found the positive spin!
7. For all you 1st round QBs suck.
8. The Equation hasnt changed guys! (A lame thread which no one responded to and displayed your constant use of "caliper" instead of "caliber" FYI, a caliper is one of those things that you can use to do skin-site tests to help measure body fat).
9. Welcome Mr. Murphy, thanks for
10. Bills in total dis-array (A thread where you criticize Moulds as usual and say "and our potential future QB with the RIGHT attitude running the bench.")
11. All my questioning and complaining aside.
12. I have no problem with starting Kelly
13. Well god bless Mularkey, the man has a brain!!!
14. JP is our problem?
15. State of the Bills, where we are and what we should do.
16. All right, I gotta ask this question. (This thread was pathetic).
17. Time to walk away.
18. Lets take a look at JP's stats shall we.
19. I tell you what is more disgusting than that game!

Ok that's enough. Thread #19 there was started on September 19th, about a month ago. Maybe you can dispute me on 2-3 of those threads and tell me that it wasnt about the QB situation. Fine. There's at least 15 more there that you started yourself about the QB situation. Do the math, that's a new thread every 2 days.



Here's something else I loved:

"I think it is VERY likely that Peters is our future LT. Im pretty sure I like the prospects of that! I watched him closely in the preseason, the guy has feet like I have never seen from a big man. He certainly has the size and strength. I think this could be a major league coup as an undrafted player who not only cracks the starting LT spot at somepoint but turns out to be one of the leagues best." From the thread "The biggest secret around OBD." (September 7th)


And then you said this:

"Trust me the #1 need on this team right now is LT (even if Gandy is playing decent and he is)." (October 1)


So basically, in about 3 1/2 weeks, you went from saying Peters could be one of the leagues best LT's and calling it a major league coup. And then even though Gandy was still playin fine and nothing changed with Peters, you claimed that the #1 need on this team is LT. :funny:


And leave Eric Moulds alone. He's done so much for this organization. JP hasen't, at least not yet. Enough said.

[X-Era]

That's like an oxymoron. Compared to anyone here, you start the most threads about the damn QB situation. By far. You especially killed me with that lame thread you started about Holcomb and the Bills lighting the league on fire and then Holcomb getting injured.

"What if we become the Pats just before Brady takes over?
What if we light the league on fire now, start a nice winning run. Get late into the season behind Holcomb and he gets hurt which brings in Losman.
At that point it will be too late for Eric and the other clowns to simply play like garbage with the playoffs straight in there sight, an dthey will have to suck it up and try to win with Losman. The coaches cant bench him."


Your ramblings are lame. Just to prove you start the most, here's the titles for all the threads you started in the past month about Holcomb, JP, or how Drew Bledsoe relates to our QB situation. (Not including this thread)

1. Why In the heck is anyone still talkin about Drew.
2. Losman loses vs. 2 of the best, Holcomb wins vs 2 of the worst.
3. Anyone else hear the warning alarms going off?
4. I aint believing Holcomb is our starter.
5. After further review, JP vs. Holcomb
6. Hey, I just found the positive spin!
7. For all you 1st round QBs suck.
8. The Equation hasnt changed guys! (A lame thread which no one responded to and displayed your constant use of "caliper" instead of "caliber" FYI, a caliper is one of those things that you can use to do skin-site tests to help measure body fat).
9. Welcome Mr. Murphy, thanks for
10. Bills in total dis-array (A thread where you criticize Moulds as usual and say "and our potential future QB with the RIGHT attitude running the bench.")
11. All my questioning and complaining aside.
12. I have no problem with starting Kelly
13. Well god bless Mularkey, the man has a brain!!!
14. JP is our problem?
15. State of the Bills, where we are and what we should do.
16. All right, I gotta ask this question. (This thread was pathetic).
17. Time to walk away.
18. Lets take a look at JP's stats shall we.
19. I tell you what is more disgusting than that game!

Ok that's enough. Thread #19 there was started on September 19th, about a month ago. Maybe you can dispute me on 2-3 of those threads and tell me that it wasnt about the QB situation. Fine. There's at least 15 more there that you started yourself about the QB situation. Do the math, that's a new thread every 2 days.



Here's something else I loved:

"I think it is VERY likely that Peters is our future LT. Im pretty sure I like the prospects of that! I watched him closely in the preseason, the guy has feet like I have never seen from a big man. He certainly has the size and strength. I think this could be a major league coup as an undrafted player who not only cracks the starting LT spot at somepoint but turns out to be one of the leagues best." From the thread "The biggest secret around OBD." (September 7th)


And then you said this:

"Trust me the #1 need on this team right now is LT (even if Gandy is playing decent and he is)." (October 1)


So basically, in about 3 1/2 weeks, you went from saying Peters could be one of the leagues best LT's and calling it a major league coup. And then even though Gandy was still playin fine and nothing changed with Peters, you claimed that the #1 need on this team is LT. :funny:


And leave Eric Moulds alone. He's done so much for this organization. JP hasen't, at least not yet. Enough said.

Clearly you have no job.

Whats up with the personal attack?

1) I have in fact started many QB threads, thats true. I for one believe now and always have that we have had a major void as far as the QB spot goes since Kelly left. I have been waiting for the past decade for us to have one that could rival his level of talent. I like many people got hyped when we drafted the guy as it might finally be the guy to step up and be our QB. Now, we finally started the guy and then benched him. As someone who roots for the Bills and closely watches the QB spot, there has been LOTS to talk about in the past few weeks as far as that goes. EXCUSE ME! However, the thrust of my thread was to tone it down or at least organize the QB rhetoric to one central thread. That way people who dont want to hear it will simply not read. A trick you havent managed to learn yet. But it seems your use of the search for users post functions wins you a gold star. Anyways, its true I have started lots. Not as many as many others, but I certainly have been part of the problem.

2) I still think Jason Peters is a sleeper LT and can be one of the leagues best. The downside is that it is taking forever because he is so damn raw and Gandy has played so good. Gnady has far exceeded expectations so far and I dont want that to change. If anything I think we will end up in a good situation with 2 guys that can hold down the fort at LT. Thats something I never thought possible headed into the season.

3) I honestly wish that you could turn this type of effort to the Bills and lay off me, we could have lost of quality discussion. Again, the point of this thread was to try to fix the very error you pointed out. So really you have now shot the machanic working on your car...good plan.

Why do we simply tone down the attacks and stick to the football. I like that plan alot better.

[Meathead]

huh, the weiler trade made it

[finsrclowns]

Rather than endlessly start thread after thread after thread onthe QB situation


:lmao:

[Drive 4 Five]

Damn it all to hell. I refuse to read anymore of this. I'm with KINIGIRLY, let's go have a bottle of suds.

[kinigirly]

I like the idea but I think we should go with Jan 8th or 15th weekend, we will be home then too!:drool2:

Its meant for humor.

what the hell did that even mean? i'm so confused right now. detox is a biotch. i wanna go home to wny.....:cry:

[jamze132]

Is JP-Era a Buffalo Bills fan? It sure doesn't sound like it. If you are, than STFU and support your team!!! Nothing any of us say on this board is going to change anything. The Bills brass might know just a little bit more about the current QB situation than any of us do. Lets leave it to them.

As always questions and opinions are welcome, this forum was designed for such, be damn dude, lighten up.

[X-Era]

Is JP-Era a Buffalo Bills fan? It sure doesn't sound like it. If you are, than STFU and support your team!!! Nothing any of us say on this board is going to change anything. The Bills brass might know just a little bit more about the current QB situation than any of us do. Lets leave it to them.

As always questions and opinions are welcome, this forum was designed for such, be damn dude, lighten up.

Huh, lighten up? back at ya.

I can promise Im enjoying the wins and the games. Went to the ATL game and it was the best time I have ever had.

I love my Bills man.

[Jan Reimers]

As usual, we're beating a dead horse into Alpo and Elmer's Glue-All.

Holcomb is the caretaker QB who will play this year, as long as we are winning. No one in the Bills' organization, as far as I know, has given up on JP for the future. That's for Bills' fans with ADD to do.

[SABURZFAN]

No one in the Bills' organization, as far as I know, has given up on JP for the future. That's for Bills' fans with ADD to do.


i agree.i wasn't one who was excited that we got losman in the first place.to be honest with you,i'm STILL not happy about losman.i expected losman to struggle this year.let's face it,he's young and he's gonna make mistakes.i'm just hoping that he can turn it around and be more of a positive in the future.that's what's expected out of a REAL Bills fans.

[Mudflap1]

Lighten up on jp-era a little bit...

I disagree with him about as much as anybody, but I don't think he's a BAD person or would I resort to name-calling the guy. I think he has good intentions. Some of them I don't agree with (heck, a lot of them I don't), but he's got viewpoints, and he's entitled to them. It's a free board, and a free country.

Personally, I believe the QB situation is pretty simple at this point as well. Mularkey and Donahoe stuck us in a pickle by putting a halfway decent team together, saying they were playoff-ready, then putting an inexperienced QB at the helm with no competition. He struggled, everyone revolted, and Holcomb is in. He has won two games, and will be in as long as the team is successful. If we fall out of contention, Losman will be back in to take his lumps and hopefully succeed. Everyone has said he is still the future, he just has to wait a little bit to get his next crack at it.

Jon

[TAILGATERTHOM]

How about Flutie??? maybe we should have never gotten rid of him!!!!

[TAILGATERTHOM]

I wonder what Rob Johnson is doing now????

[X-Era]

I wonder what Rob Johnson is doing now????

Ill take mowing lawns for 100 Alex.

[Lexwhat]

Ill take mowing lawns for 100 Alex.



Hahhahaha. We should all be so lucky to see him doin that. He's sittin pretty with his millions.

[X-Era]

Hahhahaha. We should all be so lucky to see him doin that. He's sittin pretty with his millions.

Yeah, no kidding. Wouldnt it be great to get back the wasted cap space when one of your former players goes south?

[The_Philster]

How about Flutie??? maybe we should have never gotten rid of him!!!!
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[X-Era]

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Dont know if this was posted but its an interesting take.

Some of us predicted this as a possibility.

Losman A Spark? In his weekly spot on Sirius NFL radio, Coach Mularkey spoke about the possible uses of J.P. Losman. He said he didn't think about it at the time, but there was a time in the second half of the Miami game that he should have brought him in. He said Losman may come in a game as a spark, much like Kelly Holcomb did for Losman. So maybe look for Losman the first sign of trouble on Sunday, it will be interesting to see.

So, in fact Holcomb is on a shorter leash than we thought. This may be a good thing. Many of us believe that he will faulter against top competition that is coming quickly in our schedule. Many of us also belive he cant get us to the playoffs.

Now, if he gets benched in a game for Losman many would say we actually would get the reverse of a spark. But, the opposing team would be caught with their pants down because they are so different players. It all assumes that Losman would rise to the occasion. Maybe he would, maybe he wouldnt.

Personally, id love to see our future at QB come into a game and light it up.

But I also think the Bills are asking too damn much from him. They only gave him 4 games to play in and then benched him, and in this case they would be asking him to step right in and light it up whne thrown into a game mid stream. They must be talking to Coughlin or something. If JP starts next year and does what Eli has done this year, I say thrown him into the fire.