McGahee or Clements

**Sportsuser101** · 10-22-2005, 05:34 AM

Re: McGahee or Clements

Good RBs are dime a dozen and have a very small shelf life. Good CBs aren't a dime a dozen and are very rare and also have a longer productive career then RBs. As good as I think McGahee is going to be I'd much rather have Clements.

**YardRat** · 10-22-2005, 06:19 AM

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Clements isn't worth the money he's going to be asking for...save it and give it to McGee.

If McGahee is going to ask for #1 RB in the NFL-type money, which he already believes he is, then let him go too.

Putting too many cookies in one guys jar, no matter what position he plays, only weakens other positions on the team, and one guy ain't gonna carry you to victory in the big game.

**HHURRICANE** · 10-22-2005, 08:46 AM

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Can you remember one CB that helped there team win a SB. Can you remember a RB that won there team a SB. You can remember the RB because on 3rd and 2 that may be the game breaker. Great teams having great RB's. Period. If I'm not mistaken Winfield was one of the best in the League and now the Vikings have a SB win. Ooops, guess not. Yeah, I'm sure the Cowboys were itching to cut Emmitt in his prime. People you have to build a team around some superstars if you want a SB. You have a great RB. It's a start.

**capitolneal** · 10-22-2005, 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by HHURRICANE

Can you remember one CB that helped there team win a SB. Can you remember a RB that won there team a SB. You can remember the RB because on 3rd and 2 that may be the game breaker. Great teams having great RB's. Period. If I'm not mistaken Winfield was one of the best in the League and now the Vikings have a SB win. Ooops, guess not. Yeah, I'm sure the Cowboys were itching to cut Emmitt in his prime. People you have to build a team around some superstars if you want a SB. You have a great RB. It's a start.

But in the same token the league has changed since Emmit, wasn't that bith the Colts and Seahawks asking for 2nd and 3rd round picks for arguably 2 of the 3 best backs in the league? Sign Clements and Run Defense wins champinships and runningbacks are a easy pick-up now a days

**X-Era** · 10-22-2005, 09:01 AM

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Originally posted by Darth Krumrie

Sorry in advance if this was posted already in the last week or two.....

If it came down to it and TD could only resign/extend one, which one do we build around for the next 4-5 years to come??

I say Hands down -Clements. \
Here's why. A CB with NC's skills with tackling, awareness,hands,coverage etc are very very rare and take years to develope if you do get a stud CB in the draft.. With Willis McGahee he is a beast but stud RB's are more common. I would say there's a prioduct of the offense around them esp the O-line but then the same case would be for Clements.... Even when Willis is lighting it up/ on fire i'd still settle for Nate... Kinda hard to pick Nate now because all we have is Shaud and that's not gonna get us far.....

IMO we should resign Nate long term and force Willis to play the last year of his contract out and only resign him if it's reasonable...

-Do you guys honestly think he will resign anykind of affordable contract? CMON! H ehas the ego the size of Ali.. Ask him & he will tell you who the best RB is.. IMO he will want to much money.... I like WM alot and me & the wife rock his jersey but Clements is on a superstar level and means more to our overall success...............................

thoughts?

This is a very tough one. I seriously couldnt complain either way.

But, I think Id have to go with McGahee. The emergence of McGee would allow us to let Clements go if we could replace him with another young CB. In that case we would have what we had the past few years, a solid CB and then a young up and comer.

Furthermore, to me it comes down to a numbers game. There is only one RB in on most plays and that guy carries the rock. Yet there are 2 CB's a FS, and a SS usually which can "cover" for a secondary weakness.

For a team that just wont build a great o-line, the RB position becomes even more critical. The running game enables the pass and keeps the D honest. They cant just pin their ears back and blitz.

Now add in the fact that McGahee in his second year is a top 5 RB in this league and that he will only get better, I say Clements would be the one to go.

I would feel different if we had, say Cadillac Williams in the wings but we dont.

**STAMPY** · 10-22-2005, 09:04 AM

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I rather pay Willis. With the new rules. There is no such thing as a shut down corner in game

**X-Era** · 10-22-2005, 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by STAMPY

I rather pay Willis. With the new rules. There is no such thing as a shut down corner in game

Thats a great point!

The CB's are so damn restricted that the upper eschelon players cant fully use their talents and thus arent too much better than your average CB's.

**Dozerdog** · 10-22-2005, 09:30 AM

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I'd rather have a player that keeps Randy Moss/ Terrell Owens on the bench rather than one who can possibly "contain" one of them on the field.

13 play, 7 minute scoring drives are the best defense in football. Ask Marv Levy after Superbowl XXV

**Dozerdog** · 10-22-2005, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by capitolneal

But in the same token the league has changed since Emmit, wasn't that bith the Colts and Seahawks asking for 2nd and 3rd round picks for arguably 2 of the 3 best backs in the league? Sign Clements and Run Defense wins champinships and runningbacks are a easy pick-up now a days

The reason they were shopped for such low asking prices was the 9 million in cap space a team needed to get them.

If they were making Travis henry money they could have received a coupe of picks for them. But then again- they would not have been traded. The picks asked had nothing to do with talent level.

**X-Era** · 10-22-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by Dozerdog

I'd rather have a player that keeps Randy Moss/ Terrell Owens on the bench rather than one who can possibly "contain" one of them on the field.

13 play, 7 minute scoring drives are the best defense in football. Ask Marv Levy after Superbowl XXV

Dude, I cant change my title under my name, give Rep points, and I dont see zone bucks anymore.

Am I doing something worng?

**Dozerdog** · 10-22-2005, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by jp-era

Dude, I cant change my title under my name, give Rep points, and I dont see zone bucks anymore.

Am I doing something worng?

No- this is happening to everyone- the board was upgraded last week and all the features have to be re- installed. LordOfGun is slowly putting them back in.

However- if I had a choice between LoG & McGahee- I'd take McGahee.

**LtFinFan66** · 10-22-2005, 09:56 AM

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Keep Willis and send us Nate

**Typ0** · 10-22-2005, 10:25 AM

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To me...it comes down to what choices make the team better. If McGahee keeps putting up the numbers he is...we probably can get a lot for him. There also is the risk that he's had a serious injury and if he takes an injury to that knee will he be able to recover? The guy is a back and his job is to get banged up. So if we could build a really good draft around moving him that might be the choice that makes the team better than having him here. Remember also, that backs don't take time to develop like other players.

Clements might just want more than he's worth...and he might be able to also get us something nice in return. So it's not really going to be a one or the other type of choice IMO. Each player will be evaulated on what they bring to the table at the position they are at.

**X-Era** · 10-22-2005, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by Typ0

To me...it comes down to what choices make the team better. If McGahee keeps putting up the numbers he is...we probably can get a lot for him. There also is the risk that he's had a serious injury and if he takes an injury to that knee will he be able to recover? The guy is a back and his job is to get banged up. So if we could build a really good draft around moving him that might be the choice that makes the team better than having him here. Remember also, that backs don't take time to develop like other players.

Clements might just want more than he's worth...and he might be able to also get us something nice in return. So it's not really going to be a one or the other type of choice IMO. Each player will be evaulated on what they bring to the table at the position they are at.

I think your exactly right. I just responded to the context of the thread, if you had to choose.

I hope there is a way to keep both.

If Indy can keep Peyton, Marvin, James, and now Corey Simon why is it we cant keep McGahee AND Clements?

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