JP might be the future, so he should start now

[YardRat]

Preston might be the future at center, so he should start now instead of Teague too.

Also...Parrish could be the future, so he should start instead of Moulds.

Gates instead of McGahee, Greer instead of Clements, Ezekiel instead of Fletcher, Geisinger instead of Villariel, Jefferson instead of Adams, King instead of McGee, Leonhard instead of Vincent, and Wilson instead of Evans.

Did I leave anybody out?

[Mr. Cynical]

Re: JP might be the future, so he should start now

[lordofgun]

Re: JP might be the future, so he should start now

Flawed logic.

[YardRat]

Re: JP might be the future, so he should start now

Flawed logic.

How so? Clements is dashing for big money after this season...shouldn't we find out now if his replacement can play?

Fletcher and Adams are getting old and the defense sucks anyway...shouldn't the young guys get a chance to see they can play in their place? Can't do any worse, can they?

The offensive line sucks, and there will be changes there also...how are we going to find out if the rookies are going to be the future on the line unless they play now?

Actually, it's perfect and basic logic.

[YardRat]

Re: JP might be the future, so he should start now

I can't believe you negged me for that

[Mr. Cynical]

Re: JP might be the future, so he should start now

Flawed logic.

Completely.

[BSXIII]

Re: JP might be the future, so he should start now

I agree Yard Rat. Some people just like to obsess about the QB and overlook all the other faults this team has. The best players should play period.

[Throne Logic]

Re: JP might be the future, so he should start now

The flaw is that you are giving Holcomb the equivilent value of Probowl type talent. He's show enough to prove he isn't on that level.

[lordofgun]

Re: JP might be the future, so he should start now

The flaw is that you are giving Holcomb the equivilent value of Probowl type talent. He's show enough to prove he isn't on that level.

Bingo

[lordofgun]

Re: JP might be the future, so he should start now

I can't believe you negged me for that

Wasn't me.

[gr8slayer]

Re: JP might be the future, so he should start now

QB is a bit more of a complex position than any of the others you mentioned. Your team can still win without an above average FS, SS, CB, SLB, WLB, MLB, blah blah blah.

But you dont have a prayer if your QB is not well above average.

[Throne Logic]

Re: JP might be the future, so he should start now

QB is a bit more of a complex position than any of the others you mentioned. Your team can still win without an above average FS, SS, CB, SLB, WLB, MLB, blah blah blah.

But you dont have a prayer if your QB is not well above average.

Most would through the Trent Dilfer effect at you. I'll ellaborate a bit more on this. You need a QB who is functional. Functional in that he executes plays properly and commits very few errors. He doesn't need to do anything special.

Holcomb is close to being able to fill that roll. However, he has shown one major shortcoming. He does not find receivers more than 10 yards down the field. I'm not yet sure if this is just conservative coaching, but Holcomb has missed most of the few passes he did toss down field.

Let Losman learn. At least we know he has the strong potential to get the ball down field. The offense is completely feeble and anemic. Losman could provide some spark here and there to keep drives going in situations that Holcomb is unable to do.

The biggest problem: The coaching staff is unimaginative and predicatable after they get beyond the pre-scripted plays to start the game. They just cannot make in-game adjustments very well.

[kgun12]

Re: JP might be the future, so he should start now

Most would through the Trent Dilfer effect at you. I'll ellaborate a bit more on this. You need a QB who is functional. Functional in that he executes plays properly and commits very few errors. He doesn't need to do anything special.
Holcomb is close to being able to fill that roll. However, he has shown one major shortcoming. He does not find receivers more than 10 yards down the field. I'm not yet sure if this is just conservative coaching, but Holcomb has missed most of the few passes he did toss down field.
Let Losman learn. At least we know he has the strong potential to get the ball down field. The offense is completely feeble and anemic. Losman could provide some spark here and there to keep drives going in situations that Holcomb is unable to do.
The biggest problem: The coaching staff is unimaginative and predicatable after they get beyond the pre-scripted plays to start the game. They just cannot make in-game adjustments very well.

I agree

Dilfer was aleast able to throw the ball at least 20 yards. Holcomb has shown NO ability to throw the ball down field, hence as we saw yesterday and will see as long as he is QB is 8 in the box, stop Willis and let Holcomb dink and dunk down the field til the red zone without the run it's hard to throw in the red zone.

You can't learn watching from the sideline can't be done! The Giants were 5-4 last year when decided to put Eli in, they suffered through the season took alot of crap from fans, media and probably players (like Moulds did) I wonder where his maturation would be this year if they didn't stick to there guns last year. I'm not saying JP's progress would be as good, however standing on the sidelines assures us we will never know!

[justasportsfan]

Re: JP might be the future, so he should start now

Holcomb is close to being able to fill that roll. However, he has shown one major shortcoming. He does not find receivers more than 10 yards down the field. I'm not yet sure if this is just conservative coaching, but Holcomb has missed most of the few passes he did toss down field.
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He's tossed for 400 yds in a playoff game and can't seem to achieve half of that here. Is this his flaw or was this an OL or coaching problem?

Dilfer had a running game and D that were guaranteed weapons in every game . Holcomb has neither.

[Mr. Cynical]

Re: JP might be the future, so he should start now

He's tossed for 400 yds in a playoff game and can't seem to achieve half of that here. Is this his flaw or was this an OL or coaching problem?

Dilfer had a running game and D that were guaranteed weapons in every game . Holcomb has neither.

We getting dangerously close to having another "Drew-ish" debate here.

"It's the oline, the rb, the d, the coach, etc., etc."

Anyway, regardless of how good KH is or is not, the simple fact is that the *team* is not good. Therefore we may as well get JP in there to get him the experience. KH doesn't need experience, he's a 10 year career backup. If we were a playoff team, then playing KH has some possible merit. But on a non-playoff team, it makes no sense whatsoever.