Defensive Switch?

[Gunzlingr]

Forked from: London Fletcher (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?postid=1214766)


Why not switch to a 3-4? It has seemed to work for the Vikes the last couple of weeks? Sam at NT and shake things up, catch NE unawares?

[Buckets]

Forked from: London Fletcher (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?postid=1214766)

I just mentioned this at lunch. I think it's worth a shot. The detractors mention that Schobel is to small to play in a 3-4.

[Scumbag College]

If the Bills Defense switches to a 3-4, it might not be as strong of a defense...i can't even type that with a straight face.

[The King]

I will post the same thing I posted in the Fletch thread.

Who do we have play inside? We line-up Posey and Crowell Out, who plays inside with London? This is a huge reason why I think the Bills shouldv'e gone after Oj Atogwe in the draft, versatility and a replacement for either London or Troy Vincent down the road.

[mchurchfie]

I TOTALLY agree. Buffalo has always run a 3-4 with great success. I barely EVER remember us giving up long plays of 12 yards or more when we had our old 3-4 defenses in the 80's and 90's and our run defenses were superb. This defense should have been run out of town with it's owner, Greg Williams. It has been **** since it has been here, I don't care if they were rated #2 last year. This defense NEVER comes up big when it needs to. It has some critcal flaws in it and is not suited for our personnel.

[G. Host]

Bruce Smith was not large either - his weight was inflated except for first two years.

Maybe this is reflection on Tim Anderson and I do not care if it 'stunts his growth" but the Bills need to correct the problem and there are very few free agents who can come in and help. Put a DT behind a DT if that is what is needed (I formation) - it has been done before. Denney seems pretty stout vs run and can still cover - stick him as UT for a bit.

[Buckets]

I will post the same thing I posted in the Fletch thread.

Who do we have play inside? We line-up Posey and Crowell Out, who plays inside with London? This is a huge reason why I think the Bills shouldv'e gone after Oj Atogwe in the draft, versatility and a replacement for either London or Troy Vincent down the road.

How about Stammer (sp)?

[eyedog]

They currently don't have enough good linebackers, especially inside. Another problem is nt. Sam can't go a whole game, who gives him a breather. Schobel is to small for this defense and would get killed more than usual against the run. Although you could play Denney and Kelsay on running downs and bring Schobel in to pass rush.
As noted the current personal doesn't fit but I wouldn't be against it next year.

[ParanoidAndroid]

They currently don't have enough good linebackers, especially inside. Another problem is nt. Sam can't go a whole game, who gives him a breather. Schobel is to small for this defense and would get killed more than usual against the run. Although you could play Denney and Kelsay on running downs and bring Schobel in to pass rush.
As noted the current personal doesn't fit but I wouldn't be against it next year.

Essentially, we'd have to draft like Dallas did last year and get a DC who knows how to run a 3-4. Mularkey and TD are probably already looking around for their guy. Think he'll be Pittsburgh's D-line coach, John Mitchell? He's been there 15 years.

[Drive 4 Five]

I don't know about having the personnel to run the 34 defense, but I do agree that the current scheme we are using blows. I am sincerely hoping that we can get Dom Capers in here to coach defense when he is fired from Houston. I think Jerry Gray should be...
:banned:
from One Bills Drive.

[Forward_Lateral]

This is what I would do:

I'd put Sam, Tim Anderson and Bannan on the D-line. For LB's, I'd have Fletch, Crowell at ILB and Posey and Schobel at OLB.

[Devin]

If the Bills Defense switches to a 3-4, it might not be as strong of a defense...i can't even type that with a straight face.

lol. Now that is a statement.

Who cares 4-3/3-4 we wont be able to stop anyone.

[chubluv]

what about Coy Wire next to Fletcher in the 3-4 ?

:couch:

[Devin]

Negged.

[Forward_Lateral]

Why not put the biggest, fattest bastards you can find at D-line and all 3 LB positions. Then, put Fletcher at SS, Vincent at FS, McGee and Nate on the corners. Have the fat bastards clog the middle of the field, then let the corners and safeties make the plays on the outside. :idunno: It's worth a shot.

[RedEyE]

Jason Peters could play iron man. :lmao:

[camelcowboy]

Denny, and Kelsay would be perfect run stuffing ends for a 3-4, Sam Adams would be a perfect Nose Guard. Fletcher, and Crowell in the Middle, Posey on the left and Schobel on the right as a outside backer. Hell they drop him in coverage all the time, and it will give this team a pass rush. Posey had 12 sacks in a 3-4, and it gets your better players on the field. Hell its worth a shot. But this team is too stuburn, i thought they should have used it as a wrinkle, in their everyday Defense, Imagine shifting into the 3-4, and the 4-3 sunday night. It would be something that would throw New England off guard, and Mularkey worked in pittsburg, with a 3-4 Defense in practice, he should know a little about it.

[camelcowboy]

Jason Peters could play iron man. :lmao:

No but Bennie Anderson should be a D-tackle. He can't pass block, hell put him on a postion were its ok just to take up space.

[ryven]

As far as schobel is concerned we could move him back to LB stick him in the middle and have Denny and Kelsay on the line but big Sam is still a question mark as playing the whole game.

[madness]

I TOTALLY agree. Buffalo has always run a 3-4 with great success. I barely EVER remember us giving up long plays of 12 yards or more when we had our old 3-4 defenses in the 80's and 90's and our run defenses were superb. This defense should have been run out of town with it's owner, Greg Williams. It has been **** since it has been here, I don't care if they were rated #2 last year. This defense NEVER comes up big when it needs to. It has some critcal flaws in it and is not suited for our personnel.

I second that.

madness:rock:GW

[mysticsoto]

Denny, and Kelsay would be perfect run stuffing ends for a 3-4, Sam Adams would be a perfect Nose Guard. Fletcher, and Crowell in the Middle, Posey on the left and Schobel on the right as a outside backer. Hell they drop him in coverage all the time, and it will give this team a pass rush. Posey had 12 sacks in a 3-4, and it gets your better players on the field. Hell its worth a shot. But this team is too stuburn, i thought they should have used it as a wrinkle, in their everyday Defense, Imagine shifting into the 3-4, and the 4-3 sunday night. It would be something that would throw New England off guard, and Mularkey worked in pittsburg, with a 3-4 Defense in practice, he should know a little about it.

I think -people underestimate the effect of changing 4-3 to 3-4 or vice versa. You have to have well schooled D-linemen and LBs that can handle that switch. That's not the type of D that Gray does here and I don't know if he could handle implementing it. As to the players, I'm not sure we have the personnel to make the change. Look at Dallas, they wanted to change and drafted for the change. You can't just take what you have in a 4-3 and expect it to necessarily also work (and work better) in a 3-4.

I'm not averse to change. I just think it's a whole different philosophy and people shouldn't assume it's like turning on/off a switch...

[camelcowboy]

I think -people underestimate the effect of changing 4-3 to 3-4 or vice versa. You have to have well schooled D-linemen and LBs that can handle that switch. That's not the type of D that Gray does here and I don't know if he could handle implementing it. As to the players, I'm not sure we have the personnel to make the change. Look at Dallas, they wanted to change and drafted for the change. You can't just take what you have in a 4-3 and expect it to necessarily also work (and work better) in a 3-4.

I'm not averse to change. I just think it's a whole different philosophy and people shouldn't assume it's like turning on/off a switch...

Successful, or not i would like to see them attempt some adjustments. Instead of blitzing, getting burnt, blitzing again. A team should never run a play on 3-15 off tackle and get 1st down. This defense is in shambles. Tell me if gray is handling the implementation of this defense?

[wchutalkinboutwillis]

This is what I would do:

I'd put Sam, Tim Anderson and Bannan on the D-line. For LB's, I'd have Fletch, Crowell at ILB and Posey and Schobel at OLB.

This scheme would give opposing QB's 6 minutes to throw the ball as opposed to the current 4 minutes. There's only one guy (Schobel) that has any pass rushing skill and it seems that he is suddenly too small and slow for this game.

[Jan Reimers]

I'm not a coach, but it seems that we haven't drafted the personnel to run a 3-4, and all of our defensive schemes at this point are based on the 4-3.

As fans, we always want a quick fix. In the real world of NFL football, I don't think it's that easy.

[G. Host]

Well if Gray needs a "consultant" like he did before the Bills need to find one and hire one.

[camelcowboy]

I'm not a coach, but it seems that we haven't drafted the personnel to run a 3-4, and all of our defensive schemes at this point are based on the 4-3.

As fans, we always want a quick fix. In the real world of NFL football, I don't think it's that easy.

I have to words for you! Tim Anderson:teary: I think a personel is bad whatever the scheme

[wchutalkinboutwillis]

I have to words for you! Tim Anderson:teary: I think a personel is bad whatever the scheme

Yeah, that's right. What was the scouting report on Anderson? Something like: He's not fast. He's not athletic. He's not quick off the ball. He has average strength. But he's a super, super hard worker that doesn't give up. Let's take him in the 3rd. Did losing Pat Williams really cause all this damage to the D?

[G. Host]

Not what I remember about Tim Anderson:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/tim_anderson

Positives: Has good body mass, with a thick lower frame and adequate muscle development … Self-motivated player who stays in control of his emotions … Former prep wrestler who has the strength to defeat combo blocks … Has good initial quickness and a sharp initial move off the snap … Instinctive moving through the pile, staying low in his pads to be effective as an inside run stopper … Has the top-end speed needed to be consistent in his lateral pursuit … Solid tackler with the quick burst to penetrate into the backfield … Has the foot speed to stunt and close on the quarterback … Shows good balance and flexibility working down the line (does not appear stiff moving laterally).

Sounds much like Sam Adams without the experience.

[wchutalkinboutwillis]

Not what I remember about Tim Anderson:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/tim_anderson

Positives: Has good body mass, with a thick lower frame and adequate muscle development … Self-motivated player who stays in control of his emotions … Former prep wrestler who has the strength to defeat combo blocks … Has good initial quickness and a sharp initial move off the snap … Instinctive moving through the pile, staying low in his pads to be effective as an inside run stopper … Has the top-end speed needed to be consistent in his lateral pursuit … Solid tackler with the quick burst to penetrate into the backfield … Has the foot speed to stunt and close on the quarterback … Shows good balance and flexibility working down the line (does not appear stiff moving laterally).

Sounds much like Sam Adams without the experience.

I wouldn't compare him to Sam Adams. Here's what I remember reading about him. I think he'll eventually be a good player but he needs to develop. :peace:

Obviously he doesn’t play the same position, but a good comparison to Tim of a player gone by would be former Buckeye Chris Spielman, as Anderson has the same over-achieving bulldog tenacity along with a non-stop motor. Was an undefeated state heavyweight wrestler as a senior before becoming a fixture as a starter in Columbus for three years. Leverage is another key word when describing Tim, he’s not the most athletic at the position (5-flat in the 40) but has nice flexibility along with a strong lower body and takes on multiple blockers. Does not back down to anyone, as a pre-season scuffle with guard Adrian Clarke (6’5” 330) during fall drills demonstrated. Also remembered for a nice sportmanlike gesture towards Miami QB Ken Dorsey following the final play of the 2003 Fiesta Bowl. Thought of as more of a run stopping than pass rushing specialist, although linemates Darrion Scott and Will Smith provided great pass-rush help on the ends. Only measured at 6’3” at the combines, but has bulked up to well over 300 pounds. Tremendous workout #’s, 500 in the bench and 600 in the squat. Upside is limited, but he’ll be a good Tim Krumrie-like slob clogging up the middle for some NFL team. Predecessor Ryan Pickett wound up being a surprise first rounder a few years back, I don’t see Anderson going that high but he will be a solid third round pick.