THE BILLS NEED TO LOSE ALL THE REST OF THEIR GAMES & GET VICK!

[Mitchy moo]

Marcus Vick a successful sequel to brother

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BLACKSBURG, Va. -- Here's what happens when your quarterback is a four-letter word, rhymes with sick and starts with V. (for victory, naturally):
• Your offensive coordinator becomes brilliant, an absolute master strategist. (In other years, with other quarterbacks, the fan base occasionally deems the play calling conservative and dim-witted.)
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Marcus Vick has the Hokies within reach of the national title game.



• Your head coach looks taller and more handsome. And his jokes are hilarious.
• Your supporting cast is fantastic. The offensive line has never blocked better and the receivers have never made better catches. When there is a Vick at quarterback for Virginia Tech, everything is Hokie dory. The cheerleaders are cuter, the band plays louder and the uniforms look better (except for that orange-sleeved look Nike is forcing upon the nation).
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[THATHURMANATOR]

Is he even going to be a 1st rounder???

[Tbuffalobills]

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[The_Philster]

uhhh...we haven't even given the young QB we have right now a chance to prove anything as it is

[Mitchy moo]

uhhh...we haven't even given the young QB we have right now a chance to prove anything as it is

We gave him the beginning of our season, he pretty much gave it away. You can say it's not his fault but this says differently:

<TABLE class=tablehead cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3><TBODY><TR class=stathead bgColor=#00133f><TD colSpan=14>Passing Statistics</TD></TR><TR class=colhead align=right><TD align=left width=150>NAME</TD><TD>CMP</TD><TD>ATT</TD><TD>YDS</TD><TD>CMP%</TD><TD>YDS/A</TD><TD>LNG</TD><TD>TD</TD><TD>TD%</TD><TD>INT</TD><TD>INT%</TD><TD>SACK</TD><TD>YDS</TD><TD>RAT</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Kelly Holcomb (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3873)</TD><TD>82</TD><TD>121</TD><TD>790</TD><TD>67.8</TD><TD>6.53</TD><TD>55</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>5.0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2.5</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>95</TD><TD>92.0</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>J.P. Losman (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6781)</TD><TD>45</TD><TD>94</TD><TD>433</TD><TD>47.9</TD><TD>4.61</TD><TD>42</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1.1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2.1</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>87</TD><TD>55.8</TD></TR><TR align=right><TD align=left>Totals</TD><TD>127</TD><TD>215</TD><TD>1223</TD><TD>59.1</TD><TD>5.69</TD><TD>55</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>3.3</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2.3</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>182</TD><TD>76.2
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The 36% QB rating difference really tells a story of good love gone bad.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I doubt Marcus Vick would have done much better in the same situation.

[The_Philster]

you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds to give up on a guy after 4 games? :shakeno: If you were in charge, do you have any idea how many QBs wouldn't be starting in this league now...like Manning, Favre, McNabb, Palmer, Eli Manning, and Plummer just to name a few

[THATHURMANATOR]

This is what annoys me. Some guy talking about losing the rest of our games to draft a QB that from what I have read probably wont even be a first round pick. Then he tells me that in just 4 games Losman has proved to him that he is a first round bust. This is a ridiculous thread. LOG please delete this. I will give you like 5 zone bucks if you do.

[The_Philster]

This is what annoys me. Some guy talking about losing the rest of our games to draft a QB that from what I have read probably wont even be a first round pick. Then he tells me that in just 4 games Losman has proved to him that he is a first round bust. This is a ridiculous thread. LOG please delete this. I will give you like 5 zone bucks if you do.what are Zonebucks? :unhappy:

[THATHURMANATOR]

Phil that stripper in the ref out fit at that halloween party you went to is SUPER HOT!

[The_Philster]

Phil that stripper in the ref out fit at that halloween party you went to is SUPER HOT!
Melissa isn't a stripper :cynic:

[THATHURMANATOR]

Either way she is damn hot.

[The_Philster]

Either way she is damn hot.
That much I'll agree with...pretty cool too, IMO :up:

[Mitchy moo]

What a shame:



Report: Ali 'may only have months to live'

Close family friend says boxing legend's health deteriorating rapidly


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Boxing great Muhammad Ali, who long has suffered from Parkinson's disease, is getting worse, according to his daughter, Laila.

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Updated: 4:25 p.m. ET Nov. 4, 2005

Former heavyweight boxing legend Muhammad Ali "may only have months to live" and is losing his fight against Parkinson's disease, the London Evening Standard reported Friday.
"His condition has worsened. At this point he may only have months to live," the friend told the newspaper.
Added Ali's manager, Howard Bingham, "Laila feels she is losing him."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9831638/

[The_Philster]

:huh:

[THATHURMANATOR]

Thanks skooby.

[TacklingDummy]

If the Bills can't get Leinart in the 1st round of this years draft, I'd have no problem with them picking Vick in the 2nd round.

He looks bigger and a better passer then his brother.

[BuffaloBillsStampede]

I am a better passer than his brother for goodness sake.

[hydro]

If the Bills can't get Leinart in the 1st round of this years draft, I'd have no problem with them picking Vick in the 2nd round.

He looks bigger and a better passer then his brother.

Why isn't he a first rounder than?

[Jan Reimers]

It is patently ridiculous to write off JP after 4 games, and suggest that we take another QB in the first round of next year's draft.

We need to rebuild both our O and D lines next year. Glaring weaknesses along both lines are the main reason we have not been successful. We can draft a QB in the first round every year until Hell freezes over, but if we can't protect him, and can't stop the run, it won't matter.

[TacklingDummy]

Why isn't he a first rounder than?

Never know maybe he will be.

If the Bills are picking near #10 this year and a stud DT or DE is not there to pick, I wouldn't even be upset picking Vick 10th.

He had some off the field issues that may hurt his draft stock, like they did with Moss.

[TacklingDummy]

We need to rebuild both our O and D lines next year. .

I believe JP won't be a above average QB even with a great O-line.

So IMO drafting Vick and getting o-line help later in the draft would be better then getting O-line help early in the Draft and having JP still back there taking off every other pass play because he can't read a defense.

But like I said, I'd like to draft a stud DE/DT in round 1 if there is any left and if not I wouldn't ***** about drafting Vick.

[colin]

somewhat related: if and when JP gets back in there, we need to run him like his name was Vick. 12 carries a game.

[Crisis]

Isn't Vick staying for his senior year?

[paladin warrior]

I like that.. I hope the bills to lose all the rest of thier game.. But I rather like get a new head coach. Jp Losman is new. It take time to learn. Maybe around 2 to 4 yrs getting better. Right now get a real exper.. PRO New Head coach or College Head coach. Bills have been getting defence coach or Offen.. coach. That suck!! Bills have not make in playoff in 5 years!! Waht about Green Bays QB is stink in the hole. Because He is old... Right now Viking QB hurt his KNEE and he can't run around like squrreil not any more.But he can throw the ball.and also Jets all QB are hurt too. Who ever will get the New QB in the next season.

[RedEyE]

What? Fans praying for the Bills to lose games? This is ridiculous.

[footballhottie]

Melissa isn't a stripper :cynic:which melissa? If your talking about the one i know....thrum isnt far off

[ShadowHawk7]

What a shame:



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Updated: 4:25 p.m. ET Nov. 4, 2005

Former heavyweight boxing legend Muhammad Ali "may only have months to live" and is losing his fight against Parkinson's disease, the London Evening Standard reported Friday.
"His condition has worsened. At this point he may only have months to live," the friend told the newspaper.
Added Ali's manager, Howard Bingham, "Laila feels she is losing him."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9831638/
WTF. Worst thread in recent memory IMO.

[Turf]

If anyone wants to play draft, there's a few games out there you can knock yourself out with.
I'm tired of playing draft. I want some ******* championships today.

[The_Philster]

which melissa? If your talking about the one i know....thrum isnt far off
don't even go there :cynic: Maybe you guys aren't getting along but she and I are still cool

[The Outsider]

Am I really reading this nonsense? The Outsider is amused that you anus monkeys think that Mexico Jr. is the answer to this teams woes. It don't matter if Joe Montana in his prime played behind this god awful offensive line, the end result would be the same!

Don't rule out Losman just yet, this kid was never given a chance because of the bafoon in the front office. The Outsider also believe that a coaching change is necessary to make any strides...but don't worry about losing the rest of the games, that might happen anyway given this teams futility on both sides of the ball.

[TacklingDummy]

The Dummy is amused with the Outsider.

I haven't seen anyone say Vick would be the answer to all the Bills problems. He'd be a good piece to the puzzle. (over what the Bills have now)

And Losman was given a chance. If he showed any indication in the first 4 starts that he was gonna be a good QB in the future I would not of given up on him. He showed no progress, he's inmature, feels "uncomfortable leading older men", some of his college team mates didn't like him and called him selfish, and I have a feeling alot of the Bills player's don't like him, he's a Bust.

The Dummy would call JP just another RJ but that be a insult to the Super Bowl ring wearing Robosack.

[Jan Reimers]

Dummy, with your psychic powers and clairvoyance - as evidenced by your ability to see JP's future after only four games - you should take up residence in Lily Dale.

[Mitchy moo]

Dummy, with your psychic powers and clairvoyance - as evidenced by your ability to see JP's future after only four games - you should take up residence in Lily Dale.

JP needs years of training, not a year.

[BAM]

What? Fans praying for the Bills to lose games? This is ridiculous.

He's not the only one hopping on this ridiculous bandwagon of thinking.

[SquishDaFish]

What a CRAP thread to start! It normally takes QBs 2-3 years to come into their own. Peyton do good his first year? Um NO! Give up on a young mobile QB in 4 games to suggest that is completly STUPID! And I could never root for our BILLS to Lose now thats CRAZY! #1 pick = TON of $$$. I rather see a later draft pick and spend th emoney on FAs

[SquishDaFish]

Not to mention Vicks older bro is OVER-RATED. Should be a RB cause all he has is his legs.

[footballhottie]

don't even go there :cynic: Maybe you guys aren't getting along but she and I are still cool i know her better then you do...i know all the stuff she does.

[The_Philster]

JP needs years of training, not a year.again...you base this on 4 games? Well, based on tonight's performance, your boy Vick doesn't even deserve to get drafted on the 1st day...he looked like crap

i know her better then you do...i know all the stuff she does.Hey...she's cool with me...:idunno: Besides, I'm sure there's 2 sides to whatever you're mad at her about and without knowing both sides, I'm not gonna condemn her

[Mitchy moo]

again...you base this on 4 games? Well, based on tonight's performance, your boy Vick doesn't even deserve to get drafted on the 1st day...he looked like crap

He was off but he was getting first downs on his own feet. Miami lb's were waiting for him & they really couldn't contain him. He has his brothers legs with a soft touch or power arm, real talent. We'd love to have him anyday.

[helmetguy]

He's as overhyped as his brother, and protects the football just as well. What'd he have against Miami-2 INT and 4 Fumles lost? No thanks.

[Mitchy moo]

He's as overhyped as his brother, and protects the football just as well. What'd he have against Miami-2 INT and 4 Fumles lost? No thanks.

I would take him over JP right now. The learning curve would be shorter.

[helmetguy]

I would take him over JP right now. The learning curve would be shorter.
His learning curve would be much shorter? HOW??? Because he can scramble? He virtually pissed his pants against the 'Canes' defense. Against an NFL defense, he'd be a poster child for Depends undergarments. Marcus, like his older brother, scrambles BECAUSE he doesn't have a great handle on the offense. If he follows his brother and enters the draft after only two years, he'll be another five years of hype, followed by three years of excuses from the hypesters.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

this is a really stuid thread. there is no way on Gods green earth that the bills draft another QB.

There is also no way that TD or MM get axed after this year. Rediculous.

Deserved, but rediculous. Ralph has shown over the years that he will not pay a contract while the guy is not working at 1 bills drive. TD is under contract for a while and MM is under 3 more years.... they arnt going any where till the contract is up and you know it.

Anyone who says that JP is a bust already is an idiot (football wise that is)

[Mitchy moo]

His learning curve would be much shorter? HOW??? Because he can scramble? He virtually pissed his pants against the 'Canes' defense. Against an NFL defense, he'd be a poster child for Depends undergarments. Marcus, like his older brother, scrambles BECAUSE he doesn't have a great handle on the offense. If he follows his brother and enters the draft after only two years, he'll be another five years of hype, followed by three years of excuses from the hypesters.

Yeah Mike is a real loser, huh?:

Michael Vick Biography - College Years

Michael Vick began playing college football (http://www.kidzworld.com/site/p4760.htm) at Virginia Tech in 1998. He led the Hokies to the National Championship Game against Florida State in 1999 and finished his college career with an amazing 20-1 record as a starter. His outstanding speed, arm strength, and ability to elude tackles led the Atlanta Falcons to pick him first overall in the 2001 NFL draft.

http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?id=30067- Led the team to an 11-4 record, which was the third-best record for a starting quarterback in team history behind Chris Chandler (13-1 in 1998)

[helmetguy]

Mike Vick isn't any better now than he was as a rookie. He may help win some games, but he isn't consistent. Currently, without Duckett and Dunn, Atlanta would be like Buffalo with JP under center.

[The_Philster]

His learning curve would be much shorter? HOW??? Because he can scramble? He virtually pissed his pants against the 'Canes' defense. Against an NFL defense, he'd be a poster child for Depends undergarments. .:popcorn: I'd love to see an answer to this one

[Mitchy moo]

:popcorn: I'd love to see an answer to this one

I wear them because i'm lazy, lol.