Lack of Understanding / Haters

[Lexwhat]

Look, I've read a whole lot about TO. Now, before I say anything, I will say that I am very disappointed with his behavior and probally wouldn't want to have him on my team. But why are you giving him so much heat? For what?? Just because he's a jerk and not a team player ON ANOTHER TEAM??!

First of all, the one thing Drew Rosenhous said that was true was that the media has to magnify everything that TO does. TO this, TO that. It's absolutely true that Rosenhous claimed that NFL players who are murderers, drug dealers, and those in the substance abuse program do NOT get as much heat as TO does. I personally can't believe people here have so much hatred towards TO.

A player who cheats (substance abuse) or commits a terrible crime (murder) gets away and a lot of you people barely say anything about that player. There's lots of people here, I bet, who wouldnt mind having Ray Lewis or Jamal Lewis on our team (if we had those needs). If you have any objectivity at all, you would realize that you are giving double standards and hatin on TO more than he deserves. Yes TO is a bad team player and is a crybaby. But if an outsider listened to all your criticism, he would probally think that TO poisoned his QB and sent his RB to the hospital over a bar fight.

I dont feel like mentioning names, but a lot of posters here make me sick. The media is always focusing on TO, and in turn, you put your focus and criticism on him too more than anyone.

I think TO's problem is that, in order to be successful, he needs to have a specific type of player on his team to keep him in line. A type of QB like Peyton Manning or Mike Vick would keep TO in line. Obviously it's not McNabb's fault that TO is acting like this, but for the type of player TO is, there needs to be a prior understanding. If TO played with a Michael Irvin, this type of situation would also never have happened.

I can bet that TO could go to Atlanta and succeed over there. Mike Vick is almost like the center of the NFL. Vick would make sure this type of situation wouldnt start either (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5071150)

Basically, stop hatin on TO. He's just a bad team player with an attitude. Nothing worse. Unless he plays on the Bills, you have no reason to knock his hustle. If you are gonna say that TO is what's wrong with the NFL, you are sorely mistaken. For example, Randy McMichael is whats wrong with the NFL. Get a damn life and get over TO.

[OpIv37]

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yeah well he is under a media microscope but he still did all the things he's accused of doing, and he created the media attention with his actions. You can't pull a marker out of your sock to sign a ball ON THE FIELD then ***** when you get media attention. He asked for it.

And as far as the Ray Lewis/Jamal Lewis types- they may have personal problems, but they come to work and do their job without creating problems for their team. It's up to the individual if they want to make a distinction between Ray Lewis the person and Ray Lewis the football player. For TO, there is no distinction- he brings whatever personal issues he has into the locker room and it has a severe negative impact on the team.

[Lexwhat]

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yeah well he is under a media microscope but he still did all the things he's accused of doing, and he created the media attention with his actions. You can't pull a marker out of your sock to sign a ball ON THE FIELD then ***** when you get media attention. He asked for it.

And as far as the Ray Lewis/Jamal Lewis types- they may have personal problems, but they come to work and do their job without creating problems for their team. It's up to the individual if they want to make a distinction between Ray Lewis the person and Ray Lewis the football player. For TO, there is no distinction- he brings whatever personal issues he has into the locker room and it has a severe negative impact on the team.

Wasn't that Joe Horn who pulled the marker out? Either way, I know what you mean about the media attention. You are right about that.

I guess what I should've meant to say was that they are treating TO like he's committed crimes against humanity that are worthy of jail.

I can also see what u mean about him bringing in issues that has a negative impact on the team. But I am going to disagree that it has a severe negative impact. These are professional football players. These are men. Since when did they become so sensitive? I mean let's be real. Can anyone HONESTLY say that this is the first time there's been a locker room fight in the NFL?????? I highly doubt it. But when TO was involved with it, it becomes such a big deal.

If people are going to claim that TO is a "headache" and all his teammates have to put up with questions from the media about him, you need to stop believing the hype. First of all, these star players live celebrity lives and are constantly being noticed in public. Many do commercials or endorsements. They all get asked for autographs or get stopped by people tryin to give them advice. JP is a perfect example. How many times do you he's gone around Buffalo and not been stopped by someone telling him something. You think that reporters asking questions about a teammate is going to be that big of a hassel?? Get real. I would laugh if players were that sensitive. The ONLY time it would have a severe negative impact was if it occured DURING the game. Everyone knows that TO gives it 100% when he plays. I can name some Eagles players, and many across the NFL, that dont do that. If you ask me, that has a severe negative impact on the team too...They Lose.

This is the NFL. Players are not that sensitive. any why doesn't anyone mention that it was Hugh Douglas that started that fight? By ALL reports, it was Douglas that went up to TO and started bickering about TO faking his ankle injury.

Again, I'm not tryin to defend TO blindly, I'm just saying if you want to give criticism, then you better be objective. Otherwise, you are being showing bias.

[LtBillsFan66]

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TO's a douche bag.

[OpIv37]

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Wasn't that Joe Horn who pulled the marker out? Either way, I know what you mean about the media attention. You are right about that.

TO did the marker stunt when he was still in SF. Joe Horn followed a week or two later with the cell phone stunt the phone was hidden in the pads at the bottom of the goalpost, and after he scored he pulled it out and made a call (or at least pretended to).

[Novacane]

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I'll keep knocking TO all I want. He's a team cancer. If it "makes you sick" you'll just have to deal with it

[chernobylwraiths]

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I would like to know who are the current NFL players who are murderers. I didn't know that there were any of them playing.

[EDS]

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I think TO's problem is that, in order to be successful, he needs to have a specific type of player on his team to keep him in line. A type of QB like Peyton Manning or Mike Vick would keep TO in line. Obviously it's not McNabb's fault that TO is acting like this, but for the type of player TO is, there needs to be a prior understanding. If TO played with a Michael Irvin, this type of situation would also never have happened.

I can bet that TO could go to Atlanta and succeed over there. Mike Vick is almost like the center of the NFL. Vick would make sure this type of situation wouldnt start either (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5071150)

Guaranteed that TO would go postal on the Falcons because Vick can't get him the ball - not accurate enough. Also guaranteed that Michael Irvin and TO could not co-exist in peace on the same team.

The media does absolutely follow TO to closely. That said, he is a winey ass little ***** and I would not want him as a teammate. If you have ever played a team sport then you know that a player who places himself above the team has to go - the team will do better in the long run without him, no matter how talented, because that player causes too many distractions.

But, I also would not want to Ray Lewis' of the world on my team either. Give me high character guys like Brett Farve, TKO, Payton Manning, Tiki Barber, Donovan McNabb and Troy Vincent anyday.

[dplus47]

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i think it's all overblown because now there is 24 hour news coverage of something that just doesn't provide 24 hours' worth of material. wide receivers have always been a little brash and a little crazy. TO may be crazier than most. criticize him all you want, but 1. he's not on your team. and 2. he is NOT going to ruin the league. he may not fit the current agenda of the league, but he's not going to take it down. the NFL has gone really corporate because of the money involved. they're trying to remove whatever character the players bring to the game. SI's dr. Z wrote a piece on locker room fights, linked to here: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...hts/index.html

i'm not glorifying what dr. Z portrays, but at the same time, the NFL lacks the character it had even twenty years ago. i think we as a society have actually become a LOT more uptight than we ever have been. i don't know the explanation, except for the mad dash for money.

[Lexwhat]

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I would like to know who are the current NFL players who are murderers. I didn't know that there were any of them playing.

What I meant was that TO doesn't fall into the category of murderers, rapists, drug abusers, drug dealers, wife beaters, etc...But he is viewed around the league with more criticism than players in those categories.

But since you want to know, I'll tell you at least 1 current NFL player.

BUT Since I know people are gonna argue about this, let me just define Murder before I say anything:
1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice

2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.



Your answer is...
Leonard Little, St. Louis Rams

"Little received 60 days and 1000 hours of community service. Six years later, after the involuntary manslaughter conviction was wiped from his record, Little was again arrested for drunk driving"

Leonard Little, IMO, is 10 times worse than TO.

[Lexwhat]

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If someone is going to say that Leonard Little's example isn't murder, I ask you how can you possibly say that what he did wasnt "The unlawful killing of one human by another?"

I'm not tryin to get technical, but the fact is that Little killed that woman and got 60 days in jail!! AND after another drunk driving charge, he's still playing.

[Lexwhat]

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I'll keep knocking TO all I want. He's a team cancer. If it "makes you sick" you'll just have to deal with it

hahaha, who says I cant deal with it? I simply said it makes me sick that people make excuses for so many other players but when TO does something, he's "whats wrong with the NFL." People have said that TO is what is wrong with the NFL.

By the way, I never once said that I like what TO is doing or that I think he handled things correctly. Matter of fact, I said that I probally wouldnt wanna have him on my team and that he went about this all wrong.

I'm JUST pointing out a double standard. Go ahead, knock him all you want, but if you wanna hold players accountable for their actions...well let's just say that there's a lot more in the NFL worse than him.

[chernobylwraiths]

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If someone is going to say that Leonard Little's example isn't murder, I ask you how can you possibly say that what he did wasnt "The unlawful killing of one human by another?"

I'm not tryin to get technical, but the fact is that Little killed that woman and got 60 days in jail!! AND after another drunk driving charge, he's still playing.

No it is not murder, it doesn't even come close to the two conditions that you gave. Not that it wasn't an incredibly stupid move and didn't deserve a whole lot more punishment.

As I heard on the radio the other day, TO is all that is wrong with sports and I don't like him.

[Drive 4 Five]

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Hell I'd take a murderer on my football team over a whiney, greedy, despicable little ***** like Terrel Owens ANY DAY.
As for all the hate that Owens gets, well you reap what you f**king sow, don't you. I wouldn't have it any other way.

[Lexwhat]

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No it is not murder, it doesn't even come close to the two conditions that you gave. Not that it wasn't an incredibly stupid move and didn't deserve a whole lot more punishment.

As I heard on the radio the other day, TO is all that is wrong with sports and I don't like him.

Sorry playa, but you're wrong. It certainly does come to the conditions I gave. And not only that, it has been PROVEN in courts that killing someone while driving drunk can be constituted as 2nd degree murder. People have been convicted of this crime.



"They came up with "conscious indifference": A drunk driver can be charged with murder if his state of mind was, "I know my conduct is dangerous to others, but I don’t care if someone is hurt or killed."

So where does that leave us? Any DUI defendant who knows drunk driving is dangerous can be charged with murder? Apparently so. In People v. Murray, 275 Cal.Rptr. 498 (1990), the appellate court upheld a DUI murder conviction where the prosecution proved he had attended a DUI education class and told someone he had learned a lot from it. This was enough to show that he was aware that drunk driving was dangerous and so he acted with "malice". And, thus, murder."



Another Example from http://www.madd.org/news/0,1056,4278,00.html:
"After less than two days of deliberation,the jury returned with a verdict that found John E. Newman guilty of all eight counts with which he had been charged, including two counts of second-degree murder."




Still wanna argue about it?