I keep seeing the title to this thread:

[OpIv37]

and I don't know if I should laugh or cry

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=84868

[X-Era]

Re: I keep seeing the title to this thread:

and I don't know if I should laugh or cry

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=84868

Ill play, Im taking cry.

Tell ya why. If ever there was a year where we could take our struggles while starting our QB youngster and still have a shot at the playoffs for as long as possible, it was this year.

In that version its possible that we could have had both. We could have had our now and our future. The playoffs are probably a fantasy for this team no matter what but at least we would have been building toward next year and beyond.

Right now we are stuck on pause with the losing image getting burned into the screen.

You think a team that took a chance on another career backup based on one good game would have learned that it aint good enough here. And we could argue they did by trading up to get Losman. Must be we needed to give up alot to keep our benches warm in Buff. Nothing like having a highly rated prospect bench warmer. I guess thats one defintion of the twelfth man.

[justasportsfan]

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It's better than "I give up "threads

[OpIv37]

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It's better than "I give up "threads

ok here we go again. We may "technically" still be in the playoff hunt. But we lost our last two games- one by a large margin to an inferior opponent, and one to a weakened opponent when we had a 4th quarter lead. And the combined records of the three teams we beat this season is 6-18.

Possibilities notwithstanding, you can't honestly say we've been playing like a playoff team.

[OpIv37]

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and for the last ****ing time, there's a huge difference between giving up and preparing for the future. Unfortunately in this case, attempting to make the playoffs and preparing for the future are mutually exclusive, and if we fail to make the playoffs or prepare for the future this season will be a complete ****ing waste.

[justasportsfan]

Re: I keep seeing the title to this thread:

and for the last ****ing time, there's a huge difference between giving up and preparing for the future. Unfortunately in this case, attempting to make the playoffs and preparing for the future are mutually exclusive, and if we fail to make the playoffs or prepare for the future this season will be a complete ****ing waste.

okay let me rephrase.It's better than "the bills suck" threads created by bills fans.

[OpIv37]

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okay let me rephrase.It's better than "the bills suck" threads created by bills fans.

let me ask you this- what if we don't play Losman and still don't make the playoffs? We're gonna be in the exact same situation we were at the start of this year- questionable QB as the starter, inexperienced high-round draft pick on the bench still not developed. So, what purpose will this season have served? No playoffs, no success to build on and nothing done to help us in the future. Doesn't that seem like a bit of a waste of an entire season?

[X-Era]

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and for the last ****ing time, there's a huge difference between giving up and preparing for the future. Unfortunately in this case, attempting to make the playoffs and preparing for the future are mutually exclusive, and if we fail to make the playoffs or prepare for the future this season will be a complete ****ing waste.

Im not so sure that the notion that the playoffs and preparing for the future is mutually exclusive. Losman lost 2 of his 3 games to the 2 of the leagues best teams. Holcomb won against 2 of the worst and hasnt won since.

I could argue that a Losman lead team may have went into the half against NE up more than 3 to 0. Why? because Losmans legs mean D's have to keep one more player honest. This opens up guys down field. And, who knows where Losman would be right now as far as poise if he had played all the games leading up to NE.

Its woulda coulda shoulda BS for sure, but we will never know.

IMO, this team would have an almost identical record to what they have now if they had never benched JP at all. Maybe, Maybe Holcomb buys us 1 or 2 more games. Ive said that all along. So, Holcomb goes 7 and 9 instead of 6 and 10. Who the fug cares? we should have just kept JP in. If Moulds didnt want to play for him, we still had Evans, Reed, and now have Parrish back. I would told him, fine then just pretend like your getting the ball to draw coverage your way, well throw to someone who wants to play.

[X-Era]

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okay let me rephrase.It's better than "the bills suck" threads created by bills fans.

The Bills do NOT suck.

Cleveland sucks, we just happen to have the same record. Uggghhh.

I will never stop rooting for the Bills, I sincerely hope we go to the playoffs. I just feel Im looking past that. I feel im looking right now at what the fans would feel if we lost in the first round. That will feel NO worse than if we never went at all.

[justasportsfan]

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let me ask you this- what if we don't play Losman and still don't make the playoffs?

if you read my posts you would've known what my answer is but I'll repeat it to you..... At least we did our best and know for sure instead of playing "what if " which you love doing. Just let the players play and stop guessing.

We're gonna be in the exact same situation we were at the start of this year- questionable QB as the starter, inexperienced high-round draft pick on the bench still not developed. So, what purpose will this season have served? No playoffs, no success to build on and nothing done to help us in the future. Doesn't that seem like a bit of a waste of an entire season?

How do you know this for sure. Have you been calling Ms. Cleo?

[X-Era]

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if you read my posts you would've known what my answer is but I'll repeat it to you..... At least we did our best and know for sure instead of playing "what if " which you love doing. Just let the players play and stop guessing.

How do you know this for sure. Have you been calling Ms. Cleo?

if you read my posts you would've known what my answer is but I'll repeat it to you..... At least we did our best and know for sure instead of playing "what if " which you love doing. Just let the players play and stop guessing.

So, we were so poor of a talent judge and predictors of success that we sacrificed next years playoff chances as well as this years just to try our best?

In this game, you dont get to just say, "ohh well, at least we tried". I promise you there is not a signle person on this board that wont complain if and IMO when we dont win a SB this year with Holcomb. Its the next step thats the worst. They ALL will say, well if it isnt Holcomb, we might as well have played Losman. Yeah, and....

By no means do you know anything for sure. You will NEVER know where JP would be right now as far as his play if he wasnt benched. Could he have beat Mia and NYJ? I absolutely think so. We will never know.

[OpIv37]

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if you read my posts you would've known what my answer is but I'll repeat it to you..... At least we did our best and know for sure instead of playing "what if " which you love doing. Just let the players play and stop guessing.
How do you know this for sure. Have you been calling Ms. Cleo?

you just don't get it.

If we play Losman and he sucks, we'll know he sucks. If we play Losman and he improves, we know we have our man. I'm not Miss Cleo so I don't know which it will be, but I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that by playing Losman, we'll have more knowledge at the end of the season than we did at the beginning.

If we hold onto some ridiculous playoff dream and don't make it, we gain absolutely nothing from this season. The prize may not be the same my way, but at least we're guaranteed to get something out of this season. You'd rather risk it all on the big prize and screw up next season too.

[X-Era]

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you just don't get it.

If we play Losman and he sucks, we'll know he sucks. If we play Losman and he improves, we know we have our man. I'm not Miss Cleo so I don't know which it will be, but I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that by playing Losman, we'll have more knowledge at the end of the season than we did at the beginning.

If we hold onto some ridiculous playoff dream and don't make it, we gain absolutely nothing from this season. The prize may not be the same my way, but at least we're guaranteed to get something out of this season. You'd rather risk it all on the big prize and screw up next season too.

To me the ultimate point is that Holcomb can get no better. The team we have today, right now, is what is possible with Holcomb at the helm, it cant get much better. That isnt good enough. That should be the end of the story, but for some reason it isnt.

Losman has upside, Holcomb has only downside.

[justasportsfan]

Re: I keep seeing the title to this thread:

you just don't get it.
If we play Losman and he sucks, we'll know he sucks. If we play Losman and he improves, we know we have our man. I'm not Miss Cleo so I don't know which it will be, but I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that by playing Losman, we'll have more knowledge at the end of the season than we did at the beginning.
If we hold onto some ridiculous playoff dream and don't make it, we gain absolutely nothing from this season. The prize may not be the same my way, but at least we're guaranteed to get something out of this season. You'd rather risk it all on the big prize and screw up next season too.

YOU don't get it. I'll play what if's. what if JP turns out to be Tim Couch? What if JP pans out but we lose our top payers like Willis. Are you gonna go through life trying to develop players or are you gonna grab every oppurtunity you can. In case you missed it, this is a league that thrives on today and not next year. We may never have this chance again.

While you talk like the bills don't have a chance in hell, the Pats were playing rookies in the playoffs all the way to the sb LAST YEAR because their coach didn't give up on them.

I would hate for you to be my coach. I work my butt of for you every pratice doing it your way and just becuse things haven't gone your way (even though we still have a chance) you bail out on us just so you can see if a player will pan out or not. What about the rest of us who are trying to make something out of a bad situation?

Screw that, I'll go w/ BB who never gives up even if his best players are on IR. The Capt. goes down with the ship but he doesn't intentionally sink the ship.


You're not MS. Cleo but you sure act like her when it comes to this season. There are games to be played. The rest of the AFCE haven't given up on the season but you want to be the first one? I have more respect for finfans who are still hoping to make playoffs .

[bills&sabresmvf]

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Yo, OP you have to understad the thinking of an NFL team, they take it week by week, if they have the slimest chance to win they're going to go with Holcomb, enough said. As much as us looking at it would like to not see a waste of a season...that's just how the business goes...it won't happen if we have a chance as frusterating as it is to us fans who'd like to think of the future. The NFL teams don't look to the future during the season, that's just dumb, week by week, I know how cliche that is, but it's truth. As much as I hate your posts, I love to see 'em, You keep these forums going. I'm not being sarcastic, I really enjoy 'em! keep it up