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  • Devin
    The Octagon
    • Apr 2003
    • 23878

    Next Season

    Originally posted by jp-era
    Free Agency:

    Cut Jeff Posey, start Angelo Crowell instead. I think he has proven he is more of a playmaker than Posey at this point.

    Reduce the salary of Mike Williams, reduce it to an average G's pay.

    Reduce Moulds's contract to #2 money. I love the guy but Evans should be the #1 at this point.

    Resign Clements

    Sign Steve Hutchinson and Damione Lewis or Ryan Pickett

    Draft:

    Get Haloti Ngata rd 1, Eric Winston, or Marcus McNeil
    Rd2 get Derek Hagan, Martin Nance, or Dominique Byrd
    Rd3-1 Get Tamba Hali, Greg Blue,or Jeremy Trueblood

    So, we would have upgraded both lines, grabbed another big possession WR, and retained Clements.

    And heres my take only mine is realistic.

    Firstly cutting Jeff Posey is not a bad idea and I agree Crowell should be elevated to starter. I believe he/spikes/fletcher manning the middle will be a FORCE.

    Reducing Big Mikes pay is pretty much a given. Releasing him I believe gives us too big of a cap hit, and as clump already stated its pretty much a given he will be in a Bills uni next season.

    Moulds as much as I hate to say it is probably gone, the lone Bill to be with this team and make a difference since 1996, he is likely gone after the season.

    Clements is going to be a 50/50 shot. Clements will demand a contract similar in structure to Champ Bailey. Clements will command upwards of 50-60 mil, the CB position is the highest paid in football. Id love him here but I just dont see Donahoe paying out that kind of cash.

    Instead I believe Clements will be in the same position as Price was, Franchised and traded for at the VERY LEAST a 1st rounder. At this point I would immediatley make moves to lock up McGahee long term. I would then lock up Jason Peters, this kid has been money at every position hes played for us.

    Hutchinson is one of if not the best Guard in football, competition will be high as well as his price tag. He will not be in a Bills uni next season.

    In the draft I would aim to pick up a starting calibur DT or OT, whichever is the best available at our pick. With our second pick the same and/or CB.

    In FA I dont expect much noise again this year, perhaps a replacement for Moulds....and perhaps attention to our OL.

    The wildcard here is our front office, year to year there is no rhyme or reason. We will either be big time players or hardly any activity at all. And with teams like Cleveland, Arizona, Minnesota, San Diego, and Cincinnatti all between 20-32 million UNDER the cap (assuming it goes to 90 mil) there will be far bigger spenders out their then us.

    Hutchinson could land anyone of those OL desperate places.
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  • Jan Reimers
    Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
    • May 2003
    • 17353

    #2
    Re: Next Season

    Do you realize that Crowell is a quick, smallish weakside LB, while Posey is a big, physical stongside guy? You cannot substitute one for the other as if this were some kind of idiotic XBox game.
    Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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    • Devin
      The Octagon
      • Apr 2003
      • 23878

      #3
      Re: Next Season

      I should expound upon that.

      Im not saying he should simply "take posey's place".

      Im saying he should be inserted into the starting lineup.
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      • TigerJ
        Registered User
        • Jul 2002
        • 22575

        #4
        Re: Next Season

        Originally posted by Devin
        And heres my take only mine is realistic.

        Firstly cutting Jeff Posey is not a bad idea and I agree Crowell should be elevated to starter. I believe he/spikes/fletcher manning the middle will be a FORCE.

        Reducing Big Mikes pay is pretty much a given. Releasing him I believe gives us too big of a cap hit, and as clump already stated its pretty much a given he will be in a Bills uni next season.

        Moulds as much as I hate to say it is probably gone, the lone Bill to be with this team and make a difference since 1996, he is likely gone after the season.

        Clements is going to be a 50/50 shot. Clements will demand a contract similar in structure to Champ Bailey. Clements will command upwards of 50-60 mil, the CB position is the highest paid in football. Id love him here but I just dont see Donahoe paying out that kind of cash.

        Instead I believe Clements will be in the same position as Price was, Franchised and traded for at the VERY LEAST a 1st rounder. At this point I would immediatley make moves to lock up McGahee long term. I would then lock up Jason Peters, this kid has been money at every position hes played for us.

        Hutchinson is one of if not the best Guard in football, competition will be high as well as his price tag. He will not be in a Bills uni next season.

        In the draft I would aim to pick up a starting calibur DT or OT, whichever is the best available at our pick. With our second pick the same and/or CB.

        In FA I dont expect much noise again this year, perhaps a replacement for Moulds....and perhaps attention to our OL.

        The wildcard here is our front office, year to year there is no rhyme or reason. We will either be big time players or hardly any activity at all. And with teams like Cleveland, Arizona, Minnesota, San Diego, and Cincinnatti all between 20-32 million UNDER the cap (assuming it goes to 90 mil) there will be far bigger spenders out their then us.

        Hutchinson could land anyone of those OL desperate places.
        Agree on Crowell and Posey.

        On Mike Williams, I think the only way to cut his salary is to cut him outright, then try to re-sign him. The only other thing you can do is restructure his salary. The players association, I'm sure has guidelines in place to prevent teams from forcing players into taking major cuts. Even with the cap hit for cutting him, Buffalo would save something like $3.45 million in cap money as per Clumpy's figures. They can certainly sign a serviceble guard for that.

        Moulds. Wouldn't surprise me if he departs.

        Clements. Probably gone in the scenario you suggest, though it wouldn't shock me to see the Bills franchise him and keep him.

        Agreed, Buffalo won't sign a premium priced guard.

        On the draft, agreed, except I lean toward DT.

        I'm not sure what to expect of the Bills in free agency. I'll have to wait until Clumpy does a salary cap update in January.
        I've made up my mind. Don't confuse me with the facts.

        I'm the most reasonable poster here. If you don't agree, I'll be forced to have a hissy fit.

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        • Devin
          The Octagon
          • Apr 2003
          • 23878

          #5
          Re: Next Season

          Originally posted by TigerJ
          On Mike Williams, I think the only way to cut his salary is to cut him outright, then try to re-sign him. The only other thing you can do is restructure his salary. The players association, I'm sure has guidelines in place to prevent teams from forcing players into taking major cuts. Even with the cap hit for cutting him, Buffalo would save something like $3.45 million in cap money as per Clumpy's figures. They can certainly sign a serviceble guard for that.
          I meant dead cap space. We would save 3.4 mil this year but I thought clump said it would be a boatload of dead cap space later on.
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          • OpIv37
            Acid Douching Asswipe
            • Sep 2002
            • 101238

            #6
            Re: Next Season

            Moulds is gone. We'll be fine without him.

            Williams is restructured or gone. He's not even a starter now so who cares?

            As far as Nate, he's an amazing player but I don't know if anyone is worth that much cap space. Our D is gonna be hurting without him. And I'd rather see Donahoe get a proven O-lineman or D lineman for him with the franchise tag, rather than a draft pick. The draft is such a crapshoot. Perfect example: Mike Williams lost his starting RG position to Peters, a TE who wasn't even drafted. (Speaking of Peters, we can't let this guy walk)

            I don't know if Posey needs to be cut, but he's definitely a weak link. This is a big-play D and he's had like 2 big plays in 3 years. I like Crowell and we need to keep him too (I remember reading that he's a FA but I could be mistaken).

            Draft: best OL or DT available first two rounds, find a CB in there somwhere.
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            • X-Era
              What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
              • Feb 2005
              • 27670

              #7
              Re: Next Season

              Originally posted by Devin
              And heres my take only mine is realistic.

              Firstly cutting Jeff Posey is not a bad idea and I agree Crowell should be elevated to starter. I believe he/spikes/fletcher manning the middle will be a FORCE.

              Reducing Big Mikes pay is pretty much a given. Releasing him I believe gives us too big of a cap hit, and as clump already stated its pretty much a given he will be in a Bills uni next season.

              Moulds as much as I hate to say it is probably gone, the lone Bill to be with this team and make a difference since 1996, he is likely gone after the season.

              Clements is going to be a 50/50 shot. Clements will demand a contract similar in structure to Champ Bailey. Clements will command upwards of 50-60 mil, the CB position is the highest paid in football. Id love him here but I just dont see Donahoe paying out that kind of cash.

              Instead I believe Clements will be in the same position as Price was, Franchised and traded for at the VERY LEAST a 1st rounder. At this point I would immediatley make moves to lock up McGahee long term. I would then lock up Jason Peters, this kid has been money at every position hes played for us.

              Hutchinson is one of if not the best Guard in football, competition will be high as well as his price tag. He will not be in a Bills uni next season.

              In the draft I would aim to pick up a starting calibur DT or OT, whichever is the best available at our pick. With our second pick the same and/or CB.

              In FA I dont expect much noise again this year, perhaps a replacement for Moulds....and perhaps attention to our OL.

              The wildcard here is our front office, year to year there is no rhyme or reason. We will either be big time players or hardly any activity at all. And with teams like Cleveland, Arizona, Minnesota, San Diego, and Cincinnatti all between 20-32 million UNDER the cap (assuming it goes to 90 mil) there will be far bigger spenders out their then us.

              Hutchinson could land anyone of those OL desperate places.
              Wow, Devin thats a BIG difference. Thanks for the critcism and for clearly? setting me straight?

              This should have been a reesponse to mine.

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              • Devin
                The Octagon
                • Apr 2003
                • 23878

                #8
                Re: Next Season

                Originally posted by jp-era
                Wow, Devin thats a BIG difference. Thanks for the critcism and for clearly? setting me straight?
                NP dude .
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                • Jan Reimers
                  Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
                  • May 2003
                  • 17353

                  #9
                  Re: Next Season

                  Originally posted by Devin
                  I should expound upon that.
                  Im not saying he should simply "take posey's place".
                  Im saying he should be inserted into the starting lineup.
                  I don't mean to beat this to death, but if we cut Posey, who is going to be our starting strongside linebacker? If Stamer or Haggans were better, they'd be starting now. Or do we pick someone in the draft or free agency?

                  Assuming Spikes recovers from his injury, that leaves him and Crowell at the same position, i.e., weakside LB. Neither seems suited for the strongside.
                  Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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                  • X-Era
                    What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 27670

                    #10
                    Re: Next Season

                    Originally posted by Jan Reimers
                    I don't mean to beat this to death, but if we cut Posey, who is going to be our starting strongside linebacker? If Stamer or Haggans were better, they'd be starting now. Or do we pick someone in the draft or free agency?

                    Assuming Spikes recovers from his injury, that leaves him and Crowell at the same position, i.e., weakside LB. Neither seems suited for the strongside.
                    Just for gits and shiggles, what IS the difference between a strong and weakside LB? Why does Crowell not fit the bill?

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                    • Jan Reimers
                      Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
                      • May 2003
                      • 17353

                      #11
                      Re: Next Season

                      Originally posted by jp-era
                      Just for gits and shiggles, what IS the difference between a strong and weakside LB? Why does Crowell not fit the bill?
                      The strongside 'backer lines up on the side across from the opposing team's tight end, so he has what is often a 250-260 pound blocking machine to contend with.

                      One of the main reasons that Takeo - and now Crowell - can roam around and make so many plays is that they are not encumbered by the TE. Conversely, Posey is quieter in terms of big plays because he is generally trying to fight through the TE.
                      Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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                      • dannyek71
                        Drink Responsibly
                        • Dec 2004
                        • 6945

                        #12
                        Re: Next Season

                        Originally posted by Jan Reimers
                        The strongside 'backer lines up on the side across from the opposing team's tight end, so he has what is often a 250-260 pound blocking machine to contend with.

                        One of the main reasons that Takeo - and now Crowell - can roam around and make so many plays is that they are not encumbered by the TE. Conversely, Posey is quieter in terms of big plays because he is generally trying to fight through the TE.

                        agreed
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                        • X-Era
                          What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 27670

                          #13
                          Re: Next Season

                          Originally posted by dannyek71
                          agreed
                          Heres the problem with this concept then.

                          Posey is 6' 4" 241
                          Crowell is 6" 1" 235

                          so 3 inches in height and 6 pounds means Crowell cant do it?

                          Derrick Brooks, one of the best left or strongside LB's is 6' 0" 235

                          Julian Peterson is 6' 3" 235

                          Im not seeing why Crowell cant play SLB

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                          • ShadowHawk7
                            Ground your Jets Vilma, no way you're shooting this guy down.
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 2274

                            #14
                            Re: Next Season

                            Or maybe since we don't seem to have two DTs who can cut it, we could move to a 3-4, w/ Kelsay, Adams, Schobel, and the Crowell, Spikes, Fletch, Posey?
                            "It's not whether you win or lose; it's how you play the game."
                            -Vince Lombardi

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                            • ParanoidAndroid
                              My battery is low and it's getting dark.
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 16847

                              #15
                              Re: Next Season

                              We would have to make a couple of moves to get some depth at LB and another true NT. Also, we would have to get a DC that knows how to run it.
                              It's a good thought considering those 4 starting caliber LB's, but this would only happen if Gray moves on.

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