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  • Patrick76777
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 17297

    All this talk of Playoff history has made me sad!, this is what I do!

    I’m feeling pretty down about the team right now. I know the JP guys are loving things but I kinda have to scratch my head when some kid taken in the 7th round from Harvard comes into his first game ever and throws for 3 TD’s and 310 yards and we’re supposed to get all pumped because our guy is showing progress in his 10th time on the field by going, 16-29 for 197 yards and a pick.

    Does our O-line stink, Sure! they’re not good, but with the weapons we have, If a good NFL QB is on our team, we could be 7-4 instead of 4-7.

    But things are never going to change on our current course.

    1. The media runs guys out of town and we buy into it.
    -It’s been going on for years, Chuck Dickerson ran Glenn Parker out of town on a rail. The guy went on to be the MVP of a 13-3 KC team and played in another Superbowl with the Giants. Last year it was Bledsoe, who’s having a pretty nice year in Dallas right now. The year before it was Gregg Williams.

    Every year, the local media picks a guy and bashes him endlessly. The fans buy into it and by the end of the season we’ve got pitchforks at the stadium demanding his head.

    This year it’s Sam Adams and to a lesser extent Nate Clements. Just watch next year when Seattle or Minnesota are 8-3 at this point with Sam Adams helping to plug up the middle of the field. We’ll be here wondering why we can’t stop anybody on the ground with Justin Bannen and Tim Anderson!

    I’m not saying that some of these guys didn’t have to go, but it’s kind of tough to build a team when every single year you’re firing a major piece to the puzzle.

    2. We’ve all become Salary Cap experts!

    This point kind of ties in with the first one. You can’t get into a conversation with a Bills fan about Free Agents without said fan saying the phrase, “If we can get him for a good price”.

    Yes, I know, we got into this trouble because John Butler was spending big bucks. But now we’re on the opposite end of the spectrum. Besides for Moulds and Spikes, TD hasn’t signed or “more importantly” resigned any big time players.

    Butler got in trouble for signing marginal players to ridiculous salaries. The John Holicik’s and Gabe Northern’s of the NFL don’t deserve the big time bucks. But I’ve got news for you, The Nate Clements, Pat Williams and Eric Moulds of the world need to be resigned.

    If TD continues on the way he does in the past, Sam Adams, Eric Moulds and Nate Clements will walk at the end of the season. He’ll work on the biggest weaknesses from this season, but he’ll feel that his past drafts will cover the departures of the above mentioned players. So we’ll reinforce the O and D lines (with marginal players and draft picks mind you) but as fans we won’t understand why teams are passing all over us and why JP can’t hit WR’s. We’ll have McGee and some Undrafted FA who looked good in spot duty this year starting at CB and we’ll have Roscoe Parrish, who had a nice catch in a few games this year, starting opposite Lee Evans. That’s just not going to work.

    It’s just like the year that we let Peerless Price walk. TD honestly believed that 2nd year Josh Reed and Bobby Shaw could fill the void. What a joke! Now, I can’t say that I didn’t like the move, because we did get McGahee out of it, but what about signing a FA to fill in for Price. McGahee didn’t play snap that year and TD knew he wouldn’t. So he took 95 catches and a bunch of TD’s off the offense and didn’t replace it and he wondered why the O struggled that year.

    Then the following year, the only move he made was drafting Lee Evans, knowing that it would take some time for him to get used to the speed of the NFL. Lucky for us, Lee picked it up a lot faster then most and was good for the second half of the season, when, surprise, the offense picked up again.

    Now say he trades Price to Atlanta, gets the pick to take McGahee, but in the meantime signs a veteran WR to fill the void left by Price? Maybe we’re better in 2003 and maybe it doesn’t take until week 9 to start winning in 2004.

    This leads to point 3

    3. Why does there always have to be a fall guy?

    The offense wasn’t great last year, but they were doing enough to win the games. But we needed a fall guy. Afterall, we missed the playoffs again, We have to fire somebody. So fire the QB. Afterall, we drafted a guy in the first round who’s “can’t miss” and has played 12 total NFL plays. This guy’s ready to go.

    Who’s the fall guy this year? The players I mentioned above?, Mularkey? TD? Why not fire all of them. That way we NEVER get continuity. We’ll just always be in Flux!

    Why cut Sam Adams? Because he’s had some injuries this year and he’s frustrated that we’re not winning and he disagrees with Mularkey? I’ve got news for you guys. Although none of us are battling injuries, we’re all frustrated that we can’t win and we all disagree with just about everything Mularkey does. ADAMS SHOULD BE OUR HERO!!!!!

    Cut Eric Moulds? Because he’s making too much money! I’ve got more news for you guys, 75% of the teams in this league would kill for an Eric Moulds on their team. Philly would crap if we cut this guy!!!!!!!!!! They’d pick him up in 4 seconds! Lee Evans is good, but Josh Reed and Parrish are not ready for that role. JP will have just about no targets this year.
    You’ve got to re-do this guy’s deal. Give him a ton up front and back load the crap out of a nice 6 year extension.

    Nate Clements? Why, because he had a bad game in SD when our whole gameplan was shutting down LT? When asked for the top 3 CB’s in the NFL, Chad Johnson said Nate was one of them. The league leading WR just left Buffalo with 3 catches.

    Adams is already under contract, You can backload Moulds and keep him around at a decent cap number. Nate’s going to cost you, but it’s a move we have to make.

    If at least 2 of these guys are not on the roster next year, we’ll be lucky to win 5 games next year.



    So what do I do?
    -I resign Clements, keep Adams and rework Moulds.
    -I get a healthy Kevin Everett and hope that he turns out to be the big play Tight end we’ve been missing for 15 years.
    -I keep Peters in town all year and have him master RT.
    -I tell Mike Williams he can take a Huge pay cut or take a hike
    -I start Duke Preston at Center for the rest of this year and keep him around with Peters,
    -I draft LT with our first overall pick, Preston, Peters and the new guy are now the anchors of my O-line for the next 12 years.
    -I keep Villerio as one of my guards and offer the other position to Teague or the Guard I’m drafting in the 3rd round.
    -In the second round and with my other 3rd rounder I’m taking the best D-linemen on the board (As long as they’re not white).
    -I’m only signing 2 Free Agent’s and one of them will be the best DT out there. He’s going to sit right next to Sam Adams and wreak havoc.
    -Spikes is coming back better then ever, I don’t care what you guys say!
    Posey and Crowell can battle it out in Training camp for the other OLB job. Best player gets it.
    -I don’t touch the DB’s except to cut Coy Wire, TODAY!
    -And the last move. I sign a veteran back up QB. I like Holcomb but he can’t get it done. I don’t break the bank doing it. I’m not looking at a superstar. Maybe a young back up that never got a chance. A guy who’s still got a chance to be good but never blew anybody away. A guy like Trent Green was when he first signed with St. Louis before he got hurt. I let that guy go head to head with JP in mini camp and Training camp. Best guy wins. It’s JP’s 3rd year, if he can’t beat this guy out in TC, he doesn’t deserve the job.

    One more thing, I’d love to fire Mularky and get a Fassel or someone like him in here, but I don’t want to start over. I want to make the necessary chances and make a run at this thing for a few years. Changing coaches at this point in time will result in having to take a step back before we take a step forward.
    Last edited by Patrick76777; 11-29-2005, 01:11 PM.
    Resign our own guys!
  • LtBillsFan66
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 35553

    #2
    Re: All this talk of Playoff history has made me sad!, this is what I do!

    Great post. Agree completely with the voids TD doesn't fill.

    I think Vincent and/or Milloy have to be replaced too.

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    • Earthquake Enyart
      Legendary Zoner
      • Jul 2002
      • 27521

      #3
      Re: All this talk of Playoff history has made me sad!, this is what I do!

      I love you Pat.

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      • DraftBoy
        Administrator
        • Jul 2002
        • 107437

        #4
        Re: All this talk of Playoff history has made me sad!, this is what I do!

        Well said but I think we have more holes than the few your choosing to fill, and your not even thinking of other possible scenarios that could be likely, like WM demanding a renegotiated contract, how do we keep he and Clements. I like your attitude on Spikes and I know he'll be back and have little doubt he'll regain form. Also you dont mention our lack of depth at the CB posistion, we got King and Greer, and they are serviceable but Id prefer a vet at nickle. You also dont mention our lack of depth at really any key posistions; RB, WR, OL, DL, QB, S...two big injuries and we are in deep trouble. There is alot more to be done personnell wise then what you are suggesting imo, but those are good starts. Though I am of the opinion that we clean house and restart with a real rebuilding process through the drafts, not through FA.
        COMING SOON...
        Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
        We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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        • Patrick76777
          Registered User
          • Jul 2002
          • 17297

          #5
          Re: All this talk of Playoff history has made me sad!, this is what I do!

          Originally posted by billsfanone
          Great post. Agree completely with the voids TD doesn't fill.
          I think Vincent and/or Milloy have to be replaced too.


          Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
          I love you Pat.

          Thanks guys!

          And this coming from 2 of the most reasonable guys on the board. I just need Dozer to come in and agree with it. And he will!
          Resign our own guys!

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          • Earthquake Enyart
            Legendary Zoner
            • Jul 2002
            • 27521

            #6
            Re: All this talk of Playoff history has made me sad!, this is what I do!

            I still think TD needs to go. His benign neglect of the OL has me to the breaking point.

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            • Iehoshua
              Registered User
              • Jan 2003
              • 12906

              #7
              Re: All this talk of Playoff history has made me sad!, this is what I do!

              Originally posted by Patrick76777
              I’m feeling pretty down about the team right now. I know the JP guys are loving things but I kinda have to scratch my head when some kid taken in the 7th round from Harvard comes into his first game ever and throws for 3 TD’s and 310 yards and we’re supposed to get all pumped because our guy is showing progress in his 10th time on the field by going, 16-29 for 197 yards and a pick.
              Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then. I wouldn't be so quick to judge Mr. Haaaavard after one great performance.

              I'm not 'pumped' about 197 and an INT, I'm just anxious to see if Losman can develop or not. Unfortunately for us, right now the offense of the Rams and the Bills matches up like this:

              Jackson > McGahee
              Holt > Moulds
              Curtis > Evans
              Bruce > Reed

              So, if Losman had the o-line and all the weapons Mr. Haaaavard has, who is to say Losman wouldn't have done just as well? Then again, maybe Losman does worse! The point is, one game is not going to tell the tale. However, I think we all have to agree the Rams offense is superior, if not, then let me be the first to inform you; the Rams offense is superior to the Bills, in all facets.

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              • Earthquake Enyart
                Legendary Zoner
                • Jul 2002
                • 27521

                #8
                Re: All this talk of Playoff history has made me sad!, this is what I do!

                People seem to forget how lousy the OL was when TD got here.

                It's about the same now.

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                • Patrick76777
                  Registered User
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 17297

                  #9
                  Re: All this talk of Playoff history has made me sad!, this is what I do!

                  Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
                  I still think TD needs to go. His benign neglect of the OL has me to the breaking point.
                  My whole post is basically loosely predicated on TD getting the boot and me taking over!

                  I just know he’s going to let at least 2 of those guys go and we’ll be terrible next year. That’s when Ralph will give him the boot and we’ll have to start over!


                  And DraftBoy, Thanks for the input but I didn’t go too deep into it because I didn’t want to be here until 4 AM. I realize that other moves would have to be made. If you didn’t notice I didn’t even touch day 2 of the draft.
                  Resign our own guys!

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                  • Jeff1220
                    H to the 12:20
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 6137

                    #10
                    Re: All this talk of Playoff history has made me sad!, this is what I do!

                    Nice post Pat. I'm convinced.

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                    • Patrick76777
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 17297

                      #11
                      Re: All this talk of Playoff history has made me sad!, this is what I do!

                      Originally posted by Darth Takeo
                      Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then. I wouldn't be so quick to judge Mr. Haaaavard after one great performance.

                      I'm not 'pumped' about 197 and an INT, I'm just anxious to see if Losman can develop or not. Unfortunately for us, right now the offense of the Rams and the Bills matches up like this:

                      Jackson > McGahee
                      Holt > Moulds
                      Curtis > Evans
                      Bruce > Reed

                      So, if Losman had the o-line and all the weapons Mr. Haaaavard has, who is to say Losman wouldn't have done just as well? Then again, maybe Losman does worse! The point is, one game is not going to tell the tale. However, I think we all have to agree the Rams offense is superior, if not, then let me be the first to inform you; the Rams offense is superior to the Bills, in all facets.

                      I’m not saying that JP will be bad or even that this kid will be good. It’s just disheartening to see. I’ve been waiting for a performance like that from JP and I haven’t seen anything close.

                      And I said that I realize that our O-line wasn’t that great.

                      And you said that Jackson is better than McGahee so it ruins your whole argument.
                      Resign our own guys!

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                      • Patrick76777
                        Registered User
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 17297

                        #12
                        Re: All this talk of Playoff history has made me sad!, this is what I do!

                        Originally posted by Jeff1220
                        Nice post Pat. I'm convinced.

                        Thanks man!
                        Resign our own guys!

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                        • Patrick76777
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 17297

                          #13
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                          Dude, if you went to all 32 NFL GM's and asked if they'd rather have S. Jackson or W. McGahee, all 32 would pick Willis. Hands down!
                          Resign our own guys!

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                          • THATHURMANATOR
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 69112

                            #14
                            Re: All this talk of Playoff history has made me sad!, this is what I do!

                            Originally posted by Patrick76777
                            I’m feeling pretty down about the team right now. I know the JP guys are loving things but I kinda have to scratch my head when some kid taken in the 7th round from Harvard comes into his first game ever and throws for 3 TD’s and 310 yards and we’re supposed to get all pumped because our guy is showing progress in his 10th time on the field by going, 16-29 for 197 yards and a pick.
                            Does our O-line stink, Sure! they’re not good, but with the weapons we have, If a good NFL QB is on our team, we could be 7-4 instead of 4-7.
                            But things are never going to change on our current course.
                            1. The media runs guys out of town and we buy into it.
                            -It’s been going on for years, Chuck Dickerson ran Glenn Parker out of town on a rail. The guy went on to be the MVP of a 13-3 KC team and played in another Superbowl with the Giants. Last year it was Bledsoe, who’s having a pretty nice year in Dallas right now. The year before it was Gregg Williams.
                            Every year, the local media picks a guy and bashes him endlessly. The fans buy into it and by the end of the season we’ve got pitchforks at the stadium demanding his head.
                            This year it’s Sam Adams and to a lesser extent Nate Clements. Just watch next year when Seattle or Minnesota are 8-3 at this point with Sam Adams helping to plug up the middle of the field. We’ll be here wondering why we can’t stop anybody on the ground with Justin Bannen and Tim Anderson!
                            I’m not saying that some of these guys didn’t have to go, but it’s kind of tough to build a team when every single year you’re firing a major piece to the puzzle.
                            2. We’ve all become Salary Cap experts!
                            This point kind of ties in with the first one. You can’t get into a conversation with a Bills fan about Free Agents without said fan saying the phrase, “If we can get him for a good price”.
                            Yes, I know, we got into this trouble because John Butler was spending big bucks. But now we’re on the opposite end of the spectrum. Besides for Moulds and Spikes, TD hasn’t signed or “more importantly” resigned any big time players.
                            Butler got in trouble for signing marginal players to ridiculous salaries. The John Holicik’s and Gabe Northern’s of the NFL don’t deserve the big time bucks. But I’ve got news for you, The Nate Clements, Pat Williams and Eric Moulds of the world need to be resigned.
                            If TD continues on the way he does in the past, Sam Adams, Eric Moulds and Nate Clements will walk at the end of the season. He’ll work on the biggest weaknesses from this season, but he’ll feel that his past drafts will cover the departures of the above mentioned players. So we’ll reinforce the O and D lines (with marginal players and draft picks mind you) but as fans we won’t understand why teams are passing all over us and why JP can’t hit WR’s. We’ll have McGee and some Undrafted FA who looked good in spot duty this year starting at CB and we’ll have Roscoe Parrish, who had a nice catch in a few games this year, starting opposite Lee Evans. That’s just not going to work.
                            It’s just like the year that we let Peerless Price walk. TD honestly believed that 2nd year Josh Reed and Bobby Shaw could fill the void. What a joke! Now, I can’t say that I didn’t like the move, because we did get McGahee out of it, but what about signing a FA to fill in for Price. McGahee didn’t play snap that year and TD knew he wouldn’t. So he took 95 catches and a bunch of TD’s off the offense and didn’t replace it and he wondered why the O struggled that year.
                            Then the following year, the only move he made was drafting Lee Evans, knowing that it would take some time for him to get used to the speed of the NFL. Lucky for us, Lee picked it up a lot faster then most and was good for the second half of the season, when, surprise, the offense picked up again.
                            Now say he trades Price to Atlanta, gets the pick to take McGahee, but in the meantime signs a veteran WR to fill the void left by Price? Maybe we’re better in 2003 and maybe it doesn’t take until week 9 to start winning in 2004.
                            This leads to point 3
                            3. Why does there always have to be a fall guy?
                            The offense wasn’t great last year, but they were doing enough to win the games. But we needed a fall guy. Afterall, we missed the playoffs again, We have to fire somebody. So fire the QB. Afterall, we drafted a guy in the first round who’s “can’t miss” and has played 12 total NFL plays. This guy’s ready to go.
                            Who’s the fall guy this year? The players I mentioned above?, Mularkey? TD? Why not fire all of them. That way we NEVER get continuity. We’ll just always be in Flux!
                            Why cut Sam Adams? Because he’s had some injuries this year and he’s frustrated that we’re not winning and he disagrees with Mularkey? I’ve got news for you guys. Although none of us are battling injuries, we’re all frustrated that we can’t win and we all disagree with just about everything Mularkey does. ADAMS SHOULD BE OUR HERO!!!!!
                            Cut Eric Moulds? Because he’s making too much money! I’ve got more news for you guys, 75% of the teams in this league would kill for an Eric Moulds on their team. Philly would crap if we cut this guy!!!!!!!!!! They’d pick him up in 4 seconds! Lee Evans is good, but Josh Reed and Parrish are not ready for that role. JP will have just about no targets this year.
                            You’ve got to re-do this guy’s deal. Give him a ton up front and back load the crap out of a nice 6 year extension.
                            Nate Clements? Why, because he had a bad game in SD when our whole gameplan was shutting down LT? When asked for the top 3 CB’s in the NFL, Chad Johnson said Nate was one of them. The league leading WR just left Buffalo with 3 catches.
                            Adams is already under contract, You can backload Moulds and keep him around at a decent cap number. Nate’s going to cost you, but it’s a move we have to make.
                            If at least 2 of these guys are not on the roster next year, we’ll be lucky to win 5 games next year.
                            So what do I do?
                            -I resign Clements, keep Adams and rework Moulds.
                            -I get a healthy Kevin Everett and hope that he turns out to be the big play Tight end we’ve been missing for 15 years.
                            -I keep Peters in town all year and have him master RT.
                            -I tell Mike Williams he can take a Huge pay cut or take a hike
                            -I start Duke Preston at Center for the rest of this year and keep him around with Peters,
                            -I draft LT with our first overall pick, Preston, Peters and the new guy are now the anchors of my O-line for the next 12 years.
                            -I keep Villerio as one of my guards and offer the other position to Teague or the Guard I’m drafting in the 3rd round.
                            -In the second round and with my other 3rd rounder I’m taking the best D-linemen on the board (As long as they’re not white).
                            -I’m only signing 2 Free Agent’s and one of them will be the best DT out there. He’s going to sit right next to Sam Adams and wreak havoc.
                            -Spikes is coming back better then ever, I don’t care what you guys say!
                            Posey and Crowell can battle it out in Training camp for the other OLB job. Best player gets it.
                            -I don’t touch the DB’s except to cut Coy Wire, TODAY!
                            -And the last move. I sign a veteran back up QB. I like Holcomb but he can’t get it done. I don’t break the bank doing it. I’m not looking at a superstar. Maybe a young back up that never got a chance. A guy who’s still got a chance to be good but never blew anybody away. A guy like Trent Green was when he first signed with St. Louis before he got hurt. I let that guy go head to head with JP in mini camp and Training camp. Best guy wins. It’s JP’s 3rd year, if he can’t beat this guy out in TC, he doesn’t deserve the job.
                            One more thing, I’d love to fire Mularky and get a Fassel or someone like him in here, but I don’t want to start over. I want to make the necessary chances and make a run at this thing for a few years. Changing coaches at this point in time will result in having to take a step back before we take a step forward.
                            Possibly the best post in zone history.

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                            • Mitchy moo
                              Roways rooking ahread!
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 18380

                              #15
                              Re: All this talk of Playoff history has made me sad!, this is what I do!

                              All I know is WM better tell his agent to shut his mouth this year about a new deal. WM is writing checks his body can't cash.

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