Bills in good cap shape for 2006

[ScottLawrence]

Bills In Good Cap Shape For 2006
Howard Simon - Friday, December 2, 2005 - 10:23 AM

The 2005 Bills have had a number of flaws exposed over the course of the season. Bills owner Ralph Wilson recently told a gathering of the Bills Monday Quarterback Club, the team would go out and find some solid football players in the off season. The Bills will have plenty of cap room to find those players.

WGR has learned the Bills cap number for players under contract next season currently stands at just under 82.1 million dollars. The projected cap for 2006 is 90 million dollars. That puts the Bills in the middle of the pack in the NFL with 14 teams having more cap room and 17 teams having less. As far as the AFC East is concerned, the New York Jets cap number is around 120 million while Miami is at 97 million and New England is at 92 million.

Here is a rundown of the top ten cap numbers for the Bills in 2006:

Eric Moulds 10,855,666
Mike Williams 10,813,764
Takeo Spikes 6,400,000
London Fletcher 4,900,000
Aaron Schobel 4,566,666
Sam Adams 3,875,000
Terrence McGee 3,875,000
Lawyer Milloy 3,750,000
Troy Vincent 3,225,000
Chris Villarial 3,218,750
Lee Evans 2,280,625
Jeff Posey 2,187,500

In terms of salary cap moves to clear space, if the Bills cut Williams before June 1st, they would reportedly save 3.5 million dollars. Releasing Moulds would clear out about 5.7 million dollars of cap room. It appears Sam Adams may be playing his last season as a Bill. If so, the team would save around 2.9 million by letting him go.

The Bills do have 19 players who are in the last year of their contract. They are: Sam Aiken, Justin Bannan, Nate Clements, Angelo Crowell, Ryan Denney, Ron Edwards, Jabari Greer, Mario Haggan, Greg Jerman, Shane Matthews, Jason Peters, Josh Reed, Mike Schneck, Jonathan Smith, Lawrence Smith, Josh Stamer, Trey Teague, Kevin Thomas and Shaud Williams. The unrestricted free agents in that group are: Bannan, Clements, Denney, Edwards, Jerman, Matthews, Reed, Schneck, Teague and Thomas.

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[HHURRICANE]

Eric Moulds 10,855,666
Mike Williams 10,813,764
Takeo Spikes 6,400,000
London Fletcher 4,900,000
Aaron Schobel 4,566,666
Sam Adams 3,875,000
Terrence McGee 3,875,000
Lawyer Milloy 3,750,000
Troy Vincent 3,225,000
Chris Villarial 3,218,750
Lee Evans 2,280,625
Jeff Posey 2,187,500

Does anyone believe that we are not lacking talent?! What a pathetic list of overpaid trash. Spikes and Evans are the only 2 keepers.:teary:

[Devin]

so if we are about 8 mil under and we release Mike Williams, Moulds and Adams that would save us approx 11 mil for a total of almost 20 mil under the cap?

[Ebenezer]

Eric Moulds 10,855,666
Mike Williams 10,813,764
Takeo Spikes 6,400,000
London Fletcher 4,900,000
Aaron Schobel 4,566,666
Sam Adams 3,875,000
Terrence McGee 3,875,000
Lawyer Milloy 3,750,000
Troy Vincent 3,225,000
Chris Villarial 3,218,750
Lee Evans 2,280,625
Jeff Posey 2,187,500

Does anyone believe that we are not lacking talent?! What a pathetic list of overpaid trash. Spikes and Evans are the only 2 keepers.:teary:


you are looking at salary cap hits...the amount actually saved by cutting Milloy, Fletcher and Schobel isn't significant enough to get rid of them...McGee is a keeper also.

[HHURRICANE]

you are looking at salary cap hits...the amount actually saved by cutting Milloy, Fletcher and Schobel isn't significant enough to get rid of them...McGee is a keeper also.

Forgot about McGee. He is a keeper. Agree on your second point as well. Still pathetic on how much we are paying for crap. Posey!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ebenezer]

Forgot about McGee. He is a keeper. Agree on your second point as well. Still pathetic on how much we are paying for crap. Posey!!!!!!!!!!!!


Again, signing bonus takes up a good part of that...

[Patrick76777]

Bills In Good Cap Shape For 2006
Howard Simon - Friday, December 2, 2005 - 10:23 AM
The 2005 Bills have had a number of flaws exposed over the course of the season. Bills owner Ralph Wilson recently told a gathering of the Bills Monday Quarterback Club, the team would go out and find some solid football players in the off season. The Bills will have plenty of cap room to find those players.
WGR has learned the Bills cap number for players under contract next season currently stands at just under 82.1 million dollars. The projected cap for 2006 is 90 million dollars. That puts the Bills in the middle of the pack in the NFL with 14 teams having more cap room and 17 teams having less. As far as the AFC East is concerned, the New York Jets cap number is around 120 million while Miami is at 97 million and New England is at 92 million.
Here is a rundown of the top ten cap numbers for the Bills in 2006:
Eric Moulds 10,855,666
Mike Williams 10,813,764
Takeo Spikes 6,400,000
London Fletcher 4,900,000
Aaron Schobel 4,566,666
Sam Adams 3,875,000
Terrence McGee 3,875,000
Lawyer Milloy 3,750,000
Troy Vincent 3,225,000
Chris Villarial 3,218,750
Lee Evans 2,280,625
Jeff Posey 2,187,500
In terms of salary cap moves to clear space, if the Bills cut Williams before June 1st, they would reportedly save 3.5 million dollars. Releasing Moulds would clear out about 5.7 million dollars of cap room. It appears Sam Adams may be playing his last season as a Bill. If so, the team would save around 2.9 million by letting him go.
The Bills do have 19 players who are in the last year of their contract. They are: Sam Aiken, Justin Bannan, Nate Clements, Angelo Crowell, Ryan Denney, Ron Edwards, Jabari Greer, Mario Haggan, Greg Jerman, Shane Matthews, Jason Peters, Josh Reed, Mike Schneck, Jonathan Smith, Lawrence Smith, Josh Stamer, Trey Teague, Kevin Thomas and Shaud Williams. The unrestricted free agents in that group are: Bannan, Clements, Denney, Edwards, Jerman, Matthews, Reed, Schneck, Teague and Thomas.
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If we don't bring back Eric Moulds, we are F-ed!

[Ebenezer]

If we don't bring back Eric Moulds, we are F-ed!


he is still the best receiver on this team and failure to keep him or replace him with somebody of that caliber or better would be a failure.

[Earthquake Enyart]

If we don't bring back Eric Moulds, we are F-ed!
I concur. Rework Moulds.

But I kinda think that Moulds wants to get out of Dodge and they'll end up cutting him.

Can't say that I blame him.

[HHURRICANE]

he is still the best receiver on this team and failure to keep him or replace him with somebody of that caliber or better would be a failure.

Uhhh the best receiver on the team is Lee Evans!! Evans #1, Parish #2, and get a better 3rd than Reed. Moulds is not the best receiver on the team!!

[wchutalkinboutwillis]

Evans has done absolutely nothing to prove he is the best receiver on the team. Moulds has clearly held the #1 spot. It appears the only thing Evans can do is run straight down the field and look over his shoulder as the ball lands 10 yards in front of him.

[Patrick76777]

he is still the best receiver on this team and failure to keep him or replace him with somebody of that caliber or better would be a failure.


And if we cut him, the Eagles will pick him up is 2 seconds.

[Patrick76777]

Uhhh the best receiver on the team is Lee Evans!! Evans #1, Parish #2, and get a better 3rd than Reed. Moulds is not the best receiver on the team!!


going into next year with Evans and Parrish at 1 and 2 would a disaster! The passing offense would be worse then this year.

Just like when we let Price walk and tried to replace him with an unproven Josh Reed. Our passing O went from one of the best to one of the worst in the league!

[Billsrock4life]

this is who i think they need to keep:
moulds,shaud williams,spikes,fletcher,mcgee,n schobel every 1 else can b cut or traded

[Ebenezer]

ok..now that i am home and have the numbers in front of me...actual money saved by cutting the following:

Mike Williams - all up in the air depending on cut date
London Fletcher - save $4mil if cut
Aaron Schobel - not going to be cut...too much escalation
Sam Adams - depending on reports $2 mil to $2.9 in savings
Lawyer Milloy - save $1 mil if cut
Troy Vincent - save 200K if cut after 6/1
Chris Villarial - save $1.7mil in 2006 and $3.2 mil if cut before 6/1...save $2.5mil in 2006 and 2007 if cut after 6/1
Jeff Posey - save $1.75 mil

just remember...you also have to factor in the cost of a replacement...to get a player of equal quality you have to pay about the same if not more (remember newer contracts carry more cost)...if you want full saving and pay the minimum for a replacement you will probably get a player of minimum quality...happy cutting.

I say Villarrial (if you can find a replacement - remember they cut R. Brown and brought in Villarrial who has not been as good as RB) and Adams are gone. If they stay with the 4-3 they will have to make a decision whether to let Posey or Fletcher go and insert Crowell. If they go 3-4 neither Fletcher or Posey will be gone. I predict a contract extension for Fletcher to lower that number.

Mike Williams and Eric Moulds?? My crystal ball can't see that far.

[MarvLevy]

The Bills do have 19 players who are in the last year of their contract. They are: Sam Aiken KEEP
Justin Bannan KEEP
Nate Clements DONT KEEP
Angelo Crowell DONT KEEP
Ryan Denney DONT KEEP
Ron Edwards DONT KEEP
Jabari Greer KEEP
Mario Haggan KEEP
Greg Jerman DONT KEEP
Shane Matthews KEEP
Jason Peters KEEP
Josh Reed DONT KEEP
Mike Schneck WHO?
Jonathan Smith KEEP
Lawrence Smith DONT KEEP
Josh Stamer KEEP
Trey Teague DONT KEEP
Kevin Thomas KEEP
Shaud Williams DONT KEEP.


The unrestricted free agents in that group are: Bannan, Clements, Denney, Edwards, Jerman, Matthews, Reed, Schneck, Teague and Thomas.

[HHURRICANE]

ok..now that i am home and have the numbers in front of me...actual money saved by cutting the following:

Mike Williams - all up in the air depending on cut date
London Fletcher - save $4mil if cut
Aaron Schobel - not going to be cut...too much escalation
Sam Adams - depending on reports $2 mil to $2.9 in savings
Lawyer Milloy - save $1 mil if cut
Troy Vincent - save 200K if cut after 6/1
Chris Villarial - save $1.7mil in 2006 and $3.2 mil if cut before 6/1...save $2.5mil in 2006 and 2007 if cut after 6/1
Jeff Posey - save $1.75 mil

just remember...you also have to factor in the cost of a replacement...to get a player of equal quality you have to pay about the same if not more (remember newer contracts carry more cost)...if you want full saving and pay the minimum for a replacement you will probably get a player of minimum quality...happy cutting.

I say Villarrial (if you can find a replacement - remember they cut R. Brown and brought in Villarrial who has not been as good as RB) and Adams are gone. If they stay with the 4-3 they will have to make a decision whether to let Posey or Fletcher go and insert Crowell. If they go 3-4 neither Fletcher or Posey will be gone. I predict a contract extension for Fletcher to lower that number.

Mike Williams and Eric Moulds?? My crystal ball can't see that far.

I appreciate the work. I heard that Williams and Moulds alone equal 10 Million if we cut them. Hell we could get TO and the best OL in football at those numbers!!

[HHURRICANE]

going into next year with Evans and Parrish at 1 and 2 would a disaster! The passing offense would be worse then this year.

Just like when we let Price walk and tried to replace him with an unproven Josh Reed. Our passing O went from one of the best to one of the worst in the league!

Pat we will replace Moulds! Our porblem is the OL not giving any QB time to find receivers. In addition you have a moron for an offensive coordinator.

[Lexwhat]

The Bills do have 19 players who are in the last year of their contract. They are: Sam Aiken KEEP
Justin Bannan KEEP
Nate Clements DONT KEEP
Angelo Crowell DONT KEEP
Ryan Denney DONT KEEP
Ron Edwards DONT KEEP
Jabari Greer KEEP
Mario Haggan KEEP
Greg Jerman DONT KEEP
Shane Matthews KEEP
Jason Peters KEEP
Josh Reed DONT KEEP
Mike Schneck WHO?
Jonathan Smith KEEP
Lawrence Smith DONT KEEP
Josh Stamer KEEP
Trey Teague DONT KEEP
Kevin Thomas KEEP
Shaud Williams DONT KEEP.


The unrestricted free agents in that group are: Bannan, Clements, Denney, Edwards, Jerman, Matthews, Reed, Schneck, Teague and Thomas.

Why wouldnt you want to keep Angelo Crowell? And Mike Schneck is the long snapper. We need to keep him. He seems to have formed a good bond with Moorman and Lindell.

[Lexwhat]

I appreciate the work. I heard that Williams and Moulds alone equal 10 Million if we cut them. Hell we could get TO and the best OL in football at those numbers!!


You're dreaming. Some team is going to give TO a multi-year contract. He doesnt belong in a Bills uniform unless he acceptes a 1 or 2 year deal.

We probally could get 1 Offensive Lineman this year after getting rid of Mike Williams. I wouldnt be opposed to that. I favor cutting Mike Williams. 2 O-Lineman could happen if both Moulds and MW left.

However, cutting Moulds is stupid unless theres a capable replacement for him. People are underestimating the impact it would have. We need to find a replacement for Moulds in the draft and let him develop. IMO, we need Moulds for another year after this.

[wchutalkinboutwillis]

Williams will be gone because he's lazy and useless in a Bills uni. He'll go to Houston or Dallas and become a Pro-Bowler within 2 years. It's just a Southern thing with that dude. Moulds will probably look for a team that can get him to the playoffs, which he deserves. Maybe Dallas? Drew and Price will lobby for him with a strong argument based on history.
The first 5 years of rebuilding have come and gone. I guess it's time to start over. Sorry JP. I like your spirit but this year is shot. Prove me wrong on Sunday and I'll reconsider.

[ScottLawrence]

Moulds, Williams, and Adams are gone, IMO.

[Captain Obvious]

Keep in mind if TD franchise tags Nate Clements, that would wipe out 8 to 9 million dollars of the surplus.

[clumping platelets]

If you look at the Eric Moulds & Mike Williams cap situation threads......Howard simon used my numbers in his article

No credit to BillsZone or to me.....he will get an e-mail :mad:

[clumping platelets]

BEFORE everyone gets all giddy.....remember last year when media types were saying the Bills would have $12-15 million (I had the Bills about $3-5 million under) when they were really over the cap due to salary escalators and other bonuses?

82.1 million? Cap is expected to be about $90 million....that's only $8 million and with a likely top 10 pick...that's not much. Ok...so you release player A, player B, etc...do they not need to be replaced?

I'll reserve judgement until more information becomes available.

Tidbit: I bet he doesn't have Chris Kelsey's salary escalator included in his numbers. His salary will jump from $460,000 to nearly $2 million. Oops...there goes $1.5 million of the $8 million

[BAM]

If Moulds went anywhere, I would want him to go to Philly. I don't mind them at all.

[Jan Reimers]

It should be noted that we're in "good cap shape" only because the league-wide cap is increasing, as it always does, AND because we're all projecting that some big name, declining, overpaid players will be cut.

It has very little to do with TD's cap management, except that he has over paid old and declining players by so much that we now have the option to release them in order to get some relief.

[ScottLawrence]

BEFORE everyone gets all giddy.....remember last year when media types were saying the Bills would have $12-15 million (I had the Bills about $3-5 million under) when they were really over the cap due to salary escalators and other bonuses?
82.1 million? Cap is expected to be about $90 million....that's only $8 million and with a likely top 10 pick...that's not much. Ok...so you release player A, player B, etc...do they not need to be replaced?
I'll reserve judgement until more information becomes available.
Tidbit: I bet he doesn't have Chris Kelsey's salary escalator included in his numbers. His salary will jump from $460,000 to nearly $2 million. Oops...there goes $1.5 million of the $8 million


This teams going to need to drop some players to get cap room, because we need to do something about both our offensive lines, and defensive lines.

[Ebenezer]

It should be noted that we're in "good cap shape" only because the league-wide cap is increasing, as it always does, AND because we're all projecting that some big name, declining, overpaid players will be cut.
It has very little to do with TD's cap management, except that he has over paid old and declining players by so much that we now have the option to release them in order to get some relief.


sorry...that is not true...it would have been very easy to get right back into cap problems like Mr. Butler did.

[camelcowboy]

Moulds is a good receiver, Re work his deal. This team could have, Owens, Harrison, and moss, with this line they wouldn't be much more affective. Upgrading both lines will make this team much better. Defense same thing. Posey is adams and, Nate Will be gone, but if you were to upgrade the d-line our linebackers, and secondary would look like what we expect. Lets not make more problems by releasing half our starters.

[Devin]

I think people are truly underestimating Moulds use.

He is a solid threat and still a #1 guy. Evans is great no doubt, but im not entirley sure hes a #1 guy. Same way I feel about McGee hes not a tall athletic CB he will never be a #1 guy.

So Clump/Eb.

If we are 6.5 mil under and we cut 2-3 guys. After the dust settles is it reasonable to say or think that we could be about 10 Mil under?

[clumping platelets]

Depends on who the 2-3 guys are

[Devin]

For ease of argument Adams, Williams and Moulds.

I am still not convinced he (Moulds) should be let go.

[Ebenezer]

For ease of argument Adams, Williams and Moulds.

I am still not convinced he (Moulds) should be let go.


Depends on the date at which they are cut...for the most money saved it is best to cut Moulds after 6/2. Mike Williams?? Depends on when the bonuses hit. Adams?? Can be released at any time.

Savings?
Best Guestamates:

Adams - at least $2mil
Moulds - before 6/1 - about $4.5 mil saved in 2006 and almost $9mil in 2007; after 6/1 - $6.1 mil saved in 2006 and almost $7.2 mil in 2007.
Williams - see Clump's other dissertations about that contract.

[BillsFever21]

If we get rid of Williams, Moulds and Adams it would free up space to improve our team.

I'd also look at dumping Troy Vincent. I wasn't happy about all the money TD dumped on him last year and except for the Texans game he's not producing this year.

[HHURRICANE]

If we get rid of Williams, Moulds and Adams it would free up space to improve our team.

I'd also look at dumping Troy Vincent. I wasn't happy about all the money TD dumped on him last year and except for the Texans game he's not producing this year.

Milloy or Vincent, but not both. Vincent is actually cheap and does not cost us much. He is also a stand up guy. Milloy is expensive, has an attitude, is slow, and sucks.

Williams, Moulds, and Adams I agree with.

[Don't Panic]

Moulds is a good receiver, Re work his deal. This team could have, Owens, Harrison, and moss, with this line they wouldn't be much more affective. Upgrading both lines will make this team much better. Defense same thing. Lets not make more problems by releasing half our starters.

I agree... Moulds, Evans and Parrish is a GREAT set of receivers, so long as the QB has time to throw. Try and rework Moulds' deal, but even if we can't, keep him. I think our secondary will be fine, too. Losing Spikes made this defense look bad. His return will help shore up a lot of the perceived problems here. The lines are where the work needs to be done. CV, TT and Preston should definitely be starting next year on the O line. Use one of the remaining lineman to fill one of the other spots and sign someone of prominence to fill the last spot. Williams can go... screw it. Cut and run. (By the way, where is McNally's coaching genius?) D line could use a better pass rusher, but I don't see that happening. Therefore, hope Kelsay gets better. Cut Adams. Draft a DT in the first round and put him next to a healthy Edwards. Replace Posey if necessary. ST and everything else should take care of itself.