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Ebenezer
12-08-2005, 12:06 PM
I think I did this before but I want to try to understand the mind of somebody who left...

1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here?
2. Would you have stayed here for the same money?
3. Do you regret leaving?
4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back?
5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY?
6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo?
7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish?
8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)?

Thanks.

pjw
12-08-2005, 12:25 PM
I think I did this before but I want to try to understand the mind of somebody who left...

1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here? To Join the Air Force. I could of stayed if but I didnt want to go to college so I joined the military.
2. Would you have stayed here for the same money? Probably not.
3. Do you regret leaving? Not for one second
4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back? No way would I ever move back there. I dont like the winter there.
5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY? No, I still like Buffalo except for all the snow, I still care about what happens there.
6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo? Again not for a second
7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish? Pretty much.
8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)? I will always be a Buffalonian, for some reason im proud of where im from.

Thanks.

Mr. Miyagi
12-08-2005, 12:31 PM
1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here?
Graduated college. Good job offer in Wisconsin. So I left.

2. Would you have stayed here for the same money?
Probably.

3. Do you regret leaving?
Don't regret per se, but I do miss Rochester for sentimental reasons. But had I not come to Wisconsin I would've never met my wife.

4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back?
Must be an irresistable offer on a job, and even then I might merely consider it due to my wife's family is around here. Can anyone hook me up with Fisher-Price?? :naughty:

5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY?
Hell no.

6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo?
No. See #3.

7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish?
As opposed to leaving for the common good of the world? WTH are you talking about?

8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)?
I do have a history there but can't consider myself a Rochsterian. Nor am I a Wisconsinite. I'm just a Chinaman LOL. :miyagi:

EricStratton
12-08-2005, 12:34 PM
1.Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here? – After college (2 days after graduation) my parents moved to Florida and I needed a place to live. My brother lived in Jersey and had a couch for me.

2. Would you have stayed here for the same money? – If I could have I would have stayed at the time.

3. Do you regret leaving? – More now that I have kids then back when I moved (it’s been 15 years)

4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back? – I think I will in 2-3 years to raise my boys.

5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY? – Never.

6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo? – Not a bad thing because it was my best choice at the time.

7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish? – Not really.

8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)? – I proudly tell people I’m from WNY.

Bill Brasky
12-08-2005, 03:12 PM
1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here?
I left after spending several months applying for jobs and never getting anywhere. I wasn't going to bartend the rest of my life.

2. Would you have stayed here for the same money?
I was offered one job in Corning but it paid less than half of what I'm making now. I couldn't have afforded to take a price cut like that, but I'd take less than what I'm making now if it were still reasonable.

3. Do you regret leaving?
Sometimes, yes.

4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back?
I would move back if there were jobs in my industry, or if there were a job I wouldn't mind switching careers for that paid a decent amount.

5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY?
Not at all, it's still one of the best places I've ever lived.

6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo?
Sometimes

7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish?
No, purely based on career and monetary decisions.

8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)?
Yes

imbondz
12-08-2005, 03:26 PM
I think I did this before but I want to try to understand the mind of somebody who left...

1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here? broke off an engagement, didn't want to deal, and went back to school
2. Would you have stayed here for the same money? no
3. Do you regret leaving? no
4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back? yes I might, under many different circumstances
5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY? no, anti-winter
6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo? no
7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish? no and yes
8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)? not sure

Devin
12-08-2005, 03:42 PM
If the job market was better id strongly consider moving there.

THATHURMANATOR
12-08-2005, 03:49 PM
I have a Phat job! :D, and don't think I would have a problem getting about 4 or 5 other jobs for similar cash!

Mr. Miyagi
12-08-2005, 03:50 PM
Take it easy with those essay answers Imbondz.

Gunzlingr
12-08-2005, 03:50 PM
1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here? no
2. Would you have stayed here for the same money? no
3. Do you regret leaving? no
4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back? no
5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY? no
6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo? no
7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish? no
8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)? no

hammerbillsfan
12-08-2005, 03:52 PM
1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here? no
2. Would you have stayed here for the same money? no
3. Do you regret leaving? no
4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back? no
5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY? no
6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo? no
7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish? no
8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)? no

Coles notes answers to these questions. :liar:

Gunzlingr
12-08-2005, 03:53 PM
Are those like Cliff's notes?

hammerbillsfan
12-08-2005, 03:55 PM
Are those like Cliff's notes?

yes

Gunzlingr
12-08-2005, 03:56 PM
ok.

Bill Brasky
12-08-2005, 03:56 PM
I have a Phat job! :D, and don't think I would have a problem getting about 4 or 5 other jobs for similar cash!

what do you do? get me work sucka! eat yo greens.

Mr. Miyagi
12-08-2005, 03:57 PM
eat yo greens.
LOL WTF

THATHURMANATOR
12-08-2005, 03:57 PM
I work for an It Distributor in Licensing sales. Not in your field at all but good money!

ryven
12-08-2005, 04:09 PM
I think I did this before but I want to try to understand the mind of somebody who left...

1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here?
I was 12 when I moved to florida
2. Would you have stayed here for the same money?
3. Do you regret leaving?
I dont regret it since I had no choice
4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back?
I would move back if I could get a good job and get my girlfriend to move with me
5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY?
NO
6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo?
again had no choice
7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish?
same as above
8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)?
I still consider myself a Buffalonian and I am proud to admit among the Miami fans.

Thanks.

L.A. Playa
12-08-2005, 04:16 PM
1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here? Lack of oppurtunity in the city and the weather

2. Would you have stayed here for the same money? NO

3. Do you regret leaving? NO

4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back? No. No circumstances will make me move back

5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY? No

6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo? No

7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish? I t was for self fufillment and to realize my dreams and goals and to be happy, I have never been happier than living in L.A. if that is selfish then hell yeah I am selfish

8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)? Nope I am a Los Angelino

Bill Brasky
12-08-2005, 04:20 PM
I work for an It Distributor in Licensing sales. Not in your field at all but good money!

i dont care. i want to switch fields. i'm going nowhere. help!

TigerJ
12-08-2005, 05:00 PM
I think I did this before but I want to try to understand the mind of somebody who left...

1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here?
2. Would you have stayed here for the same money?
3. Do you regret leaving?
4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back?
5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY?
6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo?
7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish?
8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)?

Thanks.

I haven't left yet, but I think I probably will when I retire in 12 years or so.

The reasons are as follows:
The nature of my job is such that I tend not to put down permanent roots in the community where I live. I'm in my ninth year in Mayville, the longest of any community, but it is probable that I will move in another 2-4 years.

Also due to the nature of my job I have to be careful about relationships that last past my tenure in a given location. Pastors often inadvertently make trouble for pastors who succeed them in a church when they stick around the same community in retirement. I would think twice about settling in any community where I have served a church.

I don't like what has happened to the community where I grew up. (Salamanca) I don't consider it an option to go back to live there. A year or so I drove down main street. The shoe stores were gone. The five and dime stores were gone. I think maybe the banks are still there. Everything else is gone, replaced by liquor stores and duty free tobacco shops. When I get off the expressway, I'm greeted by a casino, something I don't approve of. I pity Salamanca, but I don't want to live there.

I don't like New York State taxes, and consider that New York state has about the most wasteful inefficient state government in the nation. I resent the fact that state politics are so dominated by downstate interests because that is where the population is centered.

I'm tired of snow that gets measured in feet, the long winters, short summers and the nearly continuous cloudiness of November and December.

Given those circumstances and feelings, I can't think of a good reason to want to stay. Sorry.

Ultimately the decision of where to live whill have a fair amount to do with where my kids live when they are settled. I have two daughters still in college. My son is married and lives nearby, but they don't really want to live in WNY permanently either.

Gunzlingr
12-08-2005, 05:25 PM
Tiger, I have always wondered why pastors leave after a few years. I would think you would stay once you were settled.

justasportsfan
12-08-2005, 05:48 PM
When I first came over to migrate , Rochester was my place of residency. So I do consider myself a WNY in a sense. I'll give a different perspective since I left Rochester(for So. Fla.) and came back (not my own personal choice).





I think I did this before but I want to try to understand the mind of somebody who left...

1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here? Too cold, I was single . WNY is the crappiest place on earth if you single compared to other places.


2. Would you have stayed here for the same money? Back then, NO.


3. Do you regret leaving? No, but I slowly started to hate Fla.

4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back? I moved back because family asked me to. I don't regret coming back but single life here still sucks.



5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY? Nope. Even when I lived in So. Fla. I told people I was from Rochester.

6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo? nope. I had to figure out what Rochester had to offer compared to other places.

7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish? pretty much.

8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)? yep.

Thanks : Welcome



Rochester was once considered by Readers Digest as one of the best cities in the US to raise a family. Now that I've travelled and experienced other places. I agree. I would love to stayhere and do that. However, I would encourage my kids when they are of age that they should experience other places and decide for themselves.

teen age pregnancy is high here because kids have nothing else to do during winter. They have nothing else to keep them preoccupied. The positive side of this is that because of the weather, they stay in doors and can't easily break the law.

Novacane
12-08-2005, 06:00 PM
I still live up there 6 months of the year but will be gone permanantly when I can get some sucker to buy my business
1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here?
economy sucks, I don't like cold weather
2. Would you have stayed here for the same money?
I'd keep my business if NY was not taxing us to death and driving all my customers out of the area. I'd continue to go south in the winter
3. Do you regret leaving?
Nope..I hate snow and cold
4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back?
I'll never live in WNY during the winter. I try and talk the wife out of comming back for Christmas every year
5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY?
Just anti the idiot politicians that are destroying it
6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo?
Hell no!
7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish?
If hating winter is selfish
8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)?
not really

ArcticWildMan
12-08-2005, 06:25 PM
I think I did this before but I want to try to understand the mind of somebody who left...

1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here?
2. Would you have stayed here for the same money?
3. Do you regret leaving?
4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back?
5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY?
6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo?
7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish?
8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)?

Thanks.

1. I left to join the military. I didn't really want to go to college. Just wanted to be out on my own and the military offered the best way to make a good wage and learn a trade.

2. Now I would say yes, back then no way in hell. I needed to get away from home and the farther away I was the better.

3. Nope. Not one bit. My dream as a kid was to live in Alaska. Now I'm living my dream.

4. Maybe when I retire. Depends what happens to the farm my Dad owns. I would like to be able to return to WNY to putt around and hunt on the farm but if my Dad sells the farm off it will erase that idea.

5. Nope. I do feel bad for those that live there with the incredible tax rates and lack of industry however.

6. Nope. It didn't make a difference where I lived back then. I needed to be out on my own.

7. If wanting to be on my own and learning a trade is selfish I guess the answer is yes.

8. Not really. I tell people I grew up in WNY but I consider myself an Alaskan now. I've lived longer in Alaska (19 years) than I did in WNY.

kinigirly
12-08-2005, 06:28 PM
1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here?
I was getting paid minimum wage for being a special ed teacher. Couldn't pay the bills and student loans on $15,000 a year. Every place paid the same in WNY
2. Would you have stayed here for the same money?
I had to leave. Massachusetts gave me a $10,000 pay raise. You don't turn that down
3. Do you regret leaving?
Yes and no. I miss home everyday and like it so much better. Boston is just a different world. But it was the best financial decision I could have made for the future. All my debt will be paid off.
4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back?
I plan my return daily, its all I think about. I plan on moving back at the end of my contract year in August. I won't mind getting crappy pay again cause I will have minimal bills. And the cost of living is MUCH lower than in MA, so it will work out!
5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY?
WTF?! HELL NO. I preach about my home everyday at work. I've even taught some kids with little to no verbal skills to say "let's go buffalo" :funny:
6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo?
A couple million people left town before me. I don't think anyone noticed except my parents and cats.
7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish?
Define selfish. Selfish in a good way, yes.
8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)?
Well technically I am a Floridian because I was born there, but I made a deal with Lucifer and got rid of that evidence. I'm more of a Niagara Fallsian but whatever. I always have a batch of Buffalo Wings and blue cheese in the fridge!!

Shiny Chicken
12-08-2005, 09:06 PM
1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here? Left to go to school elsewhere. Could have stayed and gone to a better school. I chose not to. The area has little to offer anyone who doesn't have a family. It's a great place to raise a family and to have a nice, ordinary life. I don't have a family yet, nor do I want a nice, ordinary life. My career will be in the performing arts. Neither Rochester (where I was born) nor Buffalo have more than very limited job opportunities for me. I would have little place to go. Also, most of my friends have left town.
2. Would you have stayed here for the same money? I didn't leave for money. There is no reason for me to have stayed in Rochester.
3. Do you regret leaving? Absolutely not. It's one of the best things I've ever done.
4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back? Only temporarily for a temporary acting job playwrighting job. Never on a permanant basis.
5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY? Absolutely not. The area may have nothing for me, but I still think it's a wonderful place with great people, and more to offer than most people realize. I think it's one of the best places in the country to lead a family, and for that matter to have a happy life.
6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo? I left Rochester. And I will never consider it a bad thing that I left.
7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish? Yes, it was not the place for me, yet I didn't hurt anyone by leaving.
8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)? Absolutely. I take pride in my roots in the area. I can do more for the area by not living there than I could if I did live there by being a good ambassador for Western NY and having a productive life outside of it. I simply would never be able to thrive if I had stayed.

SABURZFAN
12-09-2005, 01:55 AM
I think I did this before but I want to try to understand the mind of somebody who left...

1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here?
2. Would you have stayed here for the same money?
3. Do you regret leaving?
4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back?
5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY?
6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo?
7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish?
8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)?

Thanks.


1.the economy sucked and the taxes were/are murderous.
2.no
3.no
4.only if the price is right. :$:
5.no
6.no
7.no
8.yes

Historian
12-09-2005, 02:55 AM
I moved away three times, and moved back every time. The reasons are various.

This last time, it was because I didn't want my children attending Florida's pathetic excuse for schools.

Bitch about the taxes and the politicos all you want, but this is still one of the best places in the entire country to raise a family, because NY services are like no other. SUNY, the Thruway system, Parks and lakes, the educational system, real estate prices....I could go on and on.

It's affordable, it's livable, and the Bills and Sabres are here.

THATHURMANATOR
12-09-2005, 09:18 AM
The thing I don't get is that everyone bitches about taxes but then don't put in the equation the fact that everything else is very cheap. I am not speaking about business taxing however. For example a 100,000 house here is a 500,000 house in NYC....

EricStratton
12-09-2005, 09:27 AM
The thing I don't get is that everyone bitches about taxes but then don't put in the equation the fact that everything else is very cheap. I am not speaking about business taxing however. For example a 100,000 house here is a 500,000 house in NYC....


Notice I donít complain about taxes Thurm. I live in maybe the only place with a higher tax burden then New York.

Add in insurance, housing etc and WNY looks cheap to me.

THATHURMANATOR
12-09-2005, 09:40 AM
I noticed!

TigerJ
12-09-2005, 09:44 AM
Tiger, I have always wondered why pastors leave after a few years. I would think you would stay once you were settled.

Gunz, different denominations have different systems. The United Methodist Church has an appointment system. Our bishop appoints pastors to the various churches in consultation with committees in those churches. The reasons for departing could include circumstances in the church from which a pastor is departing (conflict involving the pastor, stagnancy, and others) or an accute need for a particular pastor's skill set and experience in another church.

It is considered to be meddling when a pastor who has left a church maintains too close a relationship with a parrishoner of that church. When that happens, the parrishioner may have a difficult time letting go of that pastor as pastor, and accepting the new pastor. It happens sometimes and has created some ugly situations. For that reason, it is relatively rare for a pastor to retire in a community where he has served as pastor, unless it is a city with multiple churches of the same denomination.

TigerJ
12-09-2005, 09:50 AM
The thing I don't get is that everyone bitches about taxes but then don't put in the equation the fact that everything else is very cheap. I am not speaking about business taxing however. For example a 100,000 house here is a 500,000 house in NYC....

NYC is not on my list of possible places to relocate. The primary candidate, the Tri-cities area of northeastern Tennessee, has property values very comparable to WNY, much lower property taxes, and no state income tax. Western North Carolina has somewhat higher housing costs, but not exhorbitantly so.

THATHURMANATOR
12-09-2005, 09:51 AM
But no Bills, Sabres, or Thurm

Earthquake Enyart
12-09-2005, 10:03 AM
NYC is not on my list of possible places to relocate. The primary candidate, the Tri-cities area of northeastern Tennessee, has property values very comparable to WNY, much lower property taxes, and no state income tax. Western North Carolina has somewhat higher housing costs, but not exhorbitantly so.
I couln't live near all those hillbillies.

If I knew a guy like Thurm I might have stayed, but all the Bugenhagen's in East Eden were jags.

THATHURMANATOR
12-09-2005, 10:05 AM
I couln't live near all those hillbillies.
If I knew a guy like Thurm I might have stayed, but all the Bugenhagen's in East Eden were jags.

Yes those Bugenhagens give a Bugenhagen like me a bad name!

Gunzlingr
12-09-2005, 10:36 AM
Gunz, different denominations have different systems. The United Methodist Church has an appointment system. Our bishop appoints pastors to the various churches in consultation with committees in those churches. The reasons for departing could include circumstances in the church from which a pastor is departing (conflict involving the pastor, stagnancy, and others) or an accute need for a particular pastor's skill set and experience in another church.

It is considered to be meddling when a pastor who has left a church maintains too close a relationship with a parrishoner of that church. When that happens, the parrishioner may have a difficult time letting go of that pastor as pastor, and accepting the new pastor. It happens sometimes and has created some ugly situations. For that reason, it is relatively rare for a pastor to retire in a community where he has served as pastor, unless it is a city with multiple churches of the same denomination.

I understand the conflict part, my wife's old church has had 2 controversial ministers that were forced to leave (dividing the congregation in the process). What I don't understand is why we get somebody everybody seems to really like, and is bringing prosperity to the church then they up and move him (or her). Seems like everytime they do this, the replacement is a jackass (pardon the language) who runs everybody off, and by the time it is remedied, they have people who will never come back. Counter-productive imo.

I understand the retirement thing as well, so that isn't my question.

Thanks.

clumping platelets
12-09-2005, 10:50 AM
I love it here and I'm never leaving :D

Let it snow! Let it snow! Let it snow! :dance:

THATHURMANATOR
12-09-2005, 11:10 AM
I do too clump. I like winter actually.

TigerJ
12-09-2005, 11:14 AM
I understand the conflict part, my wife's old church has had 2 controversial ministers that were forced to leave (dividing the congregation in the process). What I don't understand is why we get somebody everybody seems to really like, and is bringing prosperity to the church then they up and move him (or her). Seems like everytime they do this, the replacement is a jackass (pardon the language) who runs everybody off, and by the time it is remedied, they have people who will never come back. Counter-productive imo.

I understand the retirement thing as well, so that isn't my question.

Thanks.

In the last community where I served, I got along well with the congregation, after a problem or two was resolved along the way. I had been there 8 years. The community was very depressed and the church was struggling financially. I had not been able to help the church grow, even though we were'nt shrinking either. Every year I was getting a 3% cost of living raise and the church was approaching a practical limit in terms of its salary paying capacity. My kids were approaching the age of entering high school. My wife and I had a choice. We could request a move since that was the best chance that the kids had of remaining in the same school throughout their high school years, or we could remain in that community as long as we could in hopes that the kids would be able to graduate from that school system. One mitigating factor was that my son, who has attention deficit disorder, had gotten off on the wrong foot socially in that school system. We didn't find out until later how bad it really was for him. We requested a move. Fortunately, it worked out well. Our kids all graduated from the school system where we are presently. My son got the fresh start that he needed. My successor in that church is in his ninth year, as I am in my ninth year here.

That was the first time I requested a move, and it had little to do with how I was getting along with the church. If however we were growing as a church, I might have decided to stay on. Moving was by far the best thing we could have done for our son.

justasportsfan
12-09-2005, 03:50 PM
This last time, it was because I didn't want my children attending Florida's pathetic excuse for schools.
. Roscoe Parrish didn't turn out so bad.

Ebenezer
12-09-2005, 06:02 PM
can we get back on track here guys...

so far, I've only really seen people that left very early on...say military or college...and haven't come back...and most left for what I would say were better opportunities but didn't think that selfish...

has anybody left after actually trying to make a life here...like, they worked here for X years and lost their job and were about to hit the streets if they did not leave?? there doesn't seem to be much of that.

OpIv37
12-09-2005, 06:25 PM
1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here?
I left because Dora and I got engaged and we both had connections in the DC area from our internships, so it made more sense for both of us to move there. I suppose we could have chose to stay in Rochester, but the chances of finding jobs were slim to none.

2. Would you have stayed here for the same money?
No way- I had a hard time even finding jobs to apply to in Rochester with my qualifications, and none of them ever called back.

3. Do you regret leaving?
Yes and no- there are some things I really miss about it- the Bills, the summers, skiing, Wegmans, cheap housing. And some things I really hate about it, like taxes, lack of things to do, lack of jobs. Of course, same goes for this area- there are things I like and things I hate.

4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back?
I'd consider it if I could find a decent job, but definitely not til Dora's done school. Also I don't think we'd ever move back cuz she hates the weather and my whole family moved to this area cuz of jobs as well.

5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY? Not at all

6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo? I did what I had to do.

7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish? Define selfish. I did what was best for my career and for Dora's as we started our life together. She would have had no chance finding a job in Rochester.

8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)? To a degree- I have a hard time admitting that I live in a place that shuts down for an inch and a half of snow. I'm 26 and I spent 22 years there, so it will always feel like home.

On a related note, I hate it when I'm out of town and someone asks me where I'm from, because I don't feel like I'm from VA even though I live here. And I grew up in Rochester but I was born in South Jersey, so it's a complex answer.

Captain gameboy
12-09-2005, 07:10 PM
I left because I could not major in the field I wanted in Buffalo. It simply did not exist.

After graduation, I did not come back, thought I wanted to, because I could not make a living doing what I was educated to do.

Upon being in a positiion to live wherever I wanted and do what I do, I had been gone long enough that I did not view the Oct-May bad weather as something I needed to put up with.

Most importantly, I viewed the area as being driven by a failed and still failing political system, which offered no hope to change what I viewed as being inevitable erosion.

All that being what it is, my California wife and my California and North Carolina born kids love the Bills as much as I do.
The games are, literally, our Sunday.

But when they visit Buffalo, as we often do, they always comment on the deterioration.

Love it as we all do, I am not ready to participate in deterioration.
And, having lived in the Napa area for awhile, I wanted to grow French varietal grapes.

I found my place.

Slim
12-09-2005, 07:29 PM
I think I did this before but I want to try to understand the mind of somebody who left...

1. Why did you leave/Could you have stayed here?
2. Would you have stayed here for the same money?
3. Do you regret leaving?
4. Will you ever move back or under what circumstances would you move back?
5. Do you consider yourself anti-Buffalo or anti-WNY?
6. Did you ever consider that you did a bad thing by leaving Buffalo?
7. Were your reasons for leaving purely selfish?
8. Do you still consider yourself a Buffalonian (or Rochesterarian)?

Thanks.


1. Dad got a new job...
2. No, weather sucked
3.Not really
4.neverdude
5.of course not, I will always be from Silver creek
6.Not really
7.nope
8. Of course

THATHURMANATOR
12-09-2005, 08:41 PM
Bunch of pussies can't handle a little snow!

Ebenezer
12-19-2005, 10:40 AM
bump...

so nobody tried to build a family here and then left?? everybody left very early on in their careers/lives?