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I know that we have a nice mix of ethnicity here and would like to know what people of all races think about the Rooney Rule.
Personally I think they should just call it the Token rule. It seems to me that any minority coach would feel like it was nothing more than a slap in the face to be the "token" minority candidate to be interviewed.
Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything.
- Frank Dane
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who are not."
-Thomas Jefferson
The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
- Mark Twain
I think the hope on the part of the minorities being interviewed and the NFL is that teams will interview the minority candidate and realize they are the best man for the job. But I agree with Voltron about the token thing. And some of that isn't even race-related. These NFL guys have their friends in the business that they've work with for years, and the good ole' boy network is more powerful than any other force in finding coaches. The owners and GM's are going to hire the people they're familiar with regardless of who the NFL makes them interview.
I agree with the goal of having more black coaches in a predominantly black league. But the Rooney Rule isn't helping at all. If a minority is the most qualified for the job, he's gonna get the job anyway (examples: Crennel in Cleveland last year, Herm Edwards this year).
I would not say 'any' minority is a token interview.
The only part I like is that it does give minorities experience in being interviewed, even if it is only to follow the rule. That allows the individual to be more prepared when a real interview is offerred.
I think it's a good rule . A lot of the interviews (like the BIlls) are just "token black guy" interviews to meet the requirements of the rule. However, a guy has to get a chance to impress. He may be considered just a token interview comming into it but then really impress in his interview and become a serious canidate.
I think its degrading to blacks. Imagine being a black coach and pretty much knowing the only reason you are at an interview (which in most likelyhoold you have no chance of getting) is because of your race. Wouldnt this make you feel bad?
If the league was primarily comprised of black coaches, and a rule were put into place to force teams to interview whites, then this would obviously be considered racism. So when the roles are reversed, how is it different?
It's a dumb rule. Teams should be free to interview/hire anyone they want.
"'Clean up your room.', 'Stand up straight.', 'Pick up your feet.', 'Take it like a man.', 'Be nice to your sister.', 'Don't mix beer and wine, ever.'. Oh yeah, 'Don't drive on the railroad track.'"
Even if you are the "token" interviewee, you need to take it positively. Interviews are good experience, and even if you don't get the job, you can hopefully get some good feedback on what you need to improve so you can get a HC job in the future.
I think it's a good thing to force the "good old boy" white male network to at least look around a little bit. I wish someone would force the NCAA to so the same thing. College football is a travesty with regards to minority hiring.
I think it's a good rule . A lot of the interviews (like the BIlls) are just "token black guy" interviews to meet the requirements of the rule. However, a guy has to get a chance to impress. He may be considered just a token interview comming into it but then really impress in his interview and become a serious canidate.
That's what I was saying- it's the intent of the rule and the reason why the minorities go on the interviews despite the "token" factor. The problem is that I have to wonder if it ever really works. The interview would have to be absolutely incredible for the minority candidate to be taken over someone that the owner/GM personally knows.
I don't think anyone could say/do anything in an interview that would have made TD hire them over Mularkey.
I agree with the goal of having more black coaches in a predominantly black league.
I am very curious why you think this is a good goal.
"'Clean up your room.', 'Stand up straight.', 'Pick up your feet.', 'Take it like a man.', 'Be nice to your sister.', 'Don't mix beer and wine, ever.'. Oh yeah, 'Don't drive on the railroad track.'"
I think its degrading to blacks. Imagine being a black coach and pretty much knowing the only reason you are at an interview (which in most likelyhoold you have no chance of getting) is because of your race. Wouldnt this make you feel bad?
If the league was primarily comprised of black coaches, and a rule were put into place to force teams to interview whites, then this would obviously be considered racism. So when the roles are reversed, how is it different?
I agree. Isn't there a black owner in the league? Maybe next time he should interview all black coaches and make a mockery out of the Stupid Rooney Rule.
One thing I want to say about being a minority, and minorities in general including blacks, women, asians, gays, latinos, disabled, whatever.
We don't want to be treated special, with any special rules that force people to include us. We just want to be treated as equals, no more, no less.
That's why I think things like the Rooney Rule only accentuate the difference between people, instead of blurring the line and truly meshing us all together.
One thing I want to say about being a minority, and minorities in general including blacks, women, asians, gays, latinos, disabled, whatever.
We don't want to be treated special, with any special rules that force people to include us. We just want to be treated as equals, no more, no less.
That's why I think things like the Rooney Rule only accentuate the difference between people, instead of blurring the line and truly meshing us all together.
That is what really kills me. All the rules and regulations forcing diversity on people do nothing but drive them apart further. If someone is a racist bigot, making a law that says you have to interview them is not going to change the fact that they are still a racist bigot. It just gives them a chance to get even more pissed about it.
It also doesn't change the fact that people who are racist bigots are scumbags!
Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything.
- Frank Dane
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who are not."
-Thomas Jefferson
The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
- Mark Twain
I am very curious why you think this is a good goal.
because without black coaches, the NFL is just a small staff of old white guys telling a large group of large black guys what to do. We tried that once- it was called "the South prior to 1863" and it didn't work out too well.
because without black coaches, the NFL is just a small staff of old white guys telling a large group of large black guys what to do. We tried that once- it was called "the South prior to 1863" and it didn't work out too well.
Oh please. Yeah, NFL players are slaves. That's completely rediculous.
"'Clean up your room.', 'Stand up straight.', 'Pick up your feet.', 'Take it like a man.', 'Be nice to your sister.', 'Don't mix beer and wine, ever.'. Oh yeah, 'Don't drive on the railroad track.'"
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