Ngata, AJ Hawk, or Brick

[OpIv37]

anyone else and our draft is a disappointment.

[billsburgh]

Re: Ngata, AJ Hawk, or Brick

you wouldn't include the DE Mario Williams in that group?

[OpIv37]

Re: Ngata, AJ Hawk, or Brick

I suppose williams wouldn't be a complete disappointment but the other positions are more urgent at the moment.

[ZacGriffi~82]

Re: Ngata, AJ Hawk, or Brick

Way to go in with an open mind.

[OpIv37]

Re: Ngata, AJ Hawk, or Brick

Way to go in with an open mind.

give me one other name that
a. is worthy of #8 and
b. fills a position of need.

until then STFU

[ZacGriffi~82]

Re: Ngata, AJ Hawk, or Brick

give me one other name that

b. fills a position of need.

until then STFU

You want AJ Hawk.

What the hell do you or I know. We haven't broken down hours of film on these guys.

[OpIv37]

Re: Ngata, AJ Hawk, or Brick

You want AJ Hawk.

What the hell do you or I know. We haven't broken down hours of film on these guys.

does that matter? Do you think somone broke down hours of film before taking M Williams #4 overall? The dude's a waste of skin. Those are the only guys likely to still be there AND be worthy of a top 10 salary.

Marv has always been one of the best at talent evaluation. If one of the three are still left, I guarantee that they are the pick. If not, feel free to take whatever repercusssion you deem necessary.

[tat2dmike77]

Re: Ngata, AJ Hawk, or Brick

You want AJ Hawk.

Whats wrong with AJ Hawk?

[ZacGriffi~82]

Re: Ngata, AJ Hawk, or Brick

All i'm saying is that Bills fans have this habit of locking on to one guy for everything and it if we don't get him.. BAD BAD BAD!

Maybe, just maybe we don't know everything.

[ZacGriffi~82]

Re: Ngata, AJ Hawk, or Brick

All i'm saying is that Bills fans have this habit of locking on to one guy for everything and it if we don't get him.. BAD BAD BAD!

Maybe, just maybe we don't know everything.

Nothing, he just said he wanted someone that filled a major need.

[tat2dmike77]

Re: Ngata, AJ Hawk, or Brick

Nothing, he just said he wanted someone that filled a major need.

I'm not locked into Hawk but if he is there i say take him.

I've also been saying if he is not there then there is a good chance that the bills could pick up carpenter in the 2nd rd. He's not a scrub either he played just as well as Hawk did. But AJ did have the better season but i believe if carpenter was at anthor school he might of been more publisized then what he was.

All i know is that with the #8 pick the bills need to get a quality player that can contribute. I'm not locking into one player cause you never know what will happen.

[ZacGriffi~82]

Re: Ngata, AJ Hawk, or Brick

Is there room for him to contribute?

[ParanoidAndroid]

Re: Ngata, AJ Hawk, or Brick

I think this team needs a pass rush as much as or more than a LB. I'm sure to read criticism, but I'd even take Tamba Hali who I have seen as high as #9 but usually top 15. Too many people think this guy is going to continue to improve and his senior bowl was pretty solid.
I think Ngata is special, but there are some good DT's in FA and later in the draft this year. Ferguson would be a nice pick and Williams would be great as well. If by some freak series of picks all those guys are gone and it came down to Hali and Hawk, I'd take Hali. Why? Because there are guys like Tapp, Parham, Sims and Hodge who would be around when we pick in the 2nd round and DE's are a little harder to find. Tapp, IMO, would be an instant upgrade over Posey. Besides that, Fletcher is still a starter and we have Crowell playing well and Spikes who will come back, albeit a bit less than his old self.
I think LB can be overlooked on day one for one more year. We cannot ignore our D-line, O-line, and safety positions as well as the hole Moulds will likely end up leaving.
My draft looks the same now as it did a month ago...
1. Ngata
2. Joseph
3. Baskett
4. Blue

other names I would like to see next to the Bill's logo on draft tickers:
Hali
Ferguson
Mario Williams
Maurice Stovall
Greg Lee
Broderick Bunkley
Jesse Mahelona
Daryn Colledge
Tapp

[tat2dmike77]

Re: Ngata, AJ Hawk, or Brick

Well with hawk i would say not this season since the bills have said they will be playing a 4-3. But IMO if he is there at #8 you take him simply because he is most likely the best player available. Both he and carpenter would be good replacements for fletcher.

Don't get me wrong i like fletch but the fact is he is getting old and slow and in a cover 2 defense you need speed.

Also there is no guarentie that spikes is going to be the same player he was i hope and he is but you never know. I like both of these LB. If we don't get hawk i'm not gonna throw a hissy fit or anything.

The draft is just one big crap shoot IMO. There is no sure thing you can either draft the next big thing or the next ryan leaf. You just never know. I just want quality players ya know what i mean. I honestly don't think taking a O-Lineman at #8 is worth the risk either. I would say either a LB, DT, DE, or a Safety would be the way to go.

But hey i'm just an average fan. No matter who they draft i have to live with it and so do the bills.

[Mahdi]

Re: Ngata, AJ Hawk, or Brick

anyone else and our draft is a disappointment.

Hawk would not drasticallly help this team. We have Crowell, Fletcher, Spikes and Posey. For this team to improve we need an impact player in a position of need. As in DT, DE, G, C. Taking Max Jean Gilles would have more impact on our football team than taking Hawk. Obviously though, taking a guard that high wont happen. The player that will help this team most IMO is Mario Williams. For several reasons.

1) When we let Clements go, having Schobel and Williams as our DEs will greatly help our pass defense.

2) Its much easier and much cheaper to pick up a DT in FA than an impact DE. If we draft Ngata we pay him top 10 money no matter what his position is.

3) With the cover 2 defense we will be employing it is not necessary to have 3 top notch LBs. Look at Tampa, they have Brooks who is obviously very good, after that they have Quarles and Nece, who are good but not great. However what they do have is a solid D-line who get to the QB. Which is what we need.

Therefore IMO if Brick or Williams dont fall to us, I would either reach for Tamba Hali or trade down.