Would you make this trade.... (non-Maddenesque)

[BidsJr]

On the Cowherd show this morning they had said the rumor was Culpepper to the Ravens for the Franchised Jamal Lewis.

Would you give up Willis for Culpepper and draft Deangelo Williams at #8? Williams is as close to Barry Sanders with vision and agility that I have seen.

Or still go with Line help and pick up a Maroney early in the second?

I'm not much of a trade guy, but it would definately give a new look.

[Mudflap1]

Yes, I would consider it. You also have to figure out what to do with Losman. I wouldn't take Williams at #8, I'd go O-line or D-line, and either pick someone up in free agency, or draft a good RB in the 2nd or 3rd round. An okay running back behind a very good line is a good running back. I good running back (like Willis) behind a bad line isn't as good.

Jon

[Michael82]

Culpepper is overrated. Look how he did without Randy Moss for the first time. :ill:

[mysticsoto]

I wouldn't do it either. The only way I trade Willis away is if I get something SUBSTANTIAL to help the D or O line tremendously - which is where we were weakest. I don't consider JP a flop when he's never been given a chance in the crummy setup Mularkey put him in. Same for McGahee although I want him to talk less and do more.

Other than that, if it doesn't make our line outstanding, I don't make the trade.

[Mudflap1]

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Those ain't bad stats guys... A lot better than what we've had for the better part of 10 years. Sorry, one guy (Randy Moss) does not make a team or an offense. How did the Raiders do this year? I know he was banged up, but he wasn't helping them early in the season when he was healthy.

That being said, offensive and defensive lines are by far the priority. However, if there is a solid plan in place to upgrade those positions to a serious degree and there is an opportunity to trade McGahee for Culpepper and be able to acquire a running back through the draft or free agency that would be decent, I'm thinking about it. Hard. Frankly, Culpepper is a better and more proven player at this stage than McGahee. I would like to give Willis the benefit of the doubt and see how he does behind a vastly improved line though.

Jon

[Jeff1220]

Culpepper was without Moss for much of 2004 and look at thase stats. A lack of Randy isn't why he had a disappointing 2005. Linehan being gone would be a better argument imo. I still think Dante is a top QB. He just had an off year.

[TacklingDummy]

No thanks to Culpepper. He's overrated.

[feelthepain]

Culpepper was without Moss for much of 2004 and look at thase stats. A lack of Randy isn't why he had a disappointing 2005. Linehan being gone would be a better argument imo. I still think Dante is a top QB. He just had an off year.

But how does that explain why Johnson stepped in and got the job done???? Willis is a pro bowl caliber back, you don't want to lose that. I think if the Bills concentrated on the Oline and Dline they would improve. I think Holcomb is a sloid QB that's accurate enogh to be effective if he just get's the protection. With a Dline that can keep the score in the low 20's Holcomb could win.

[Jeff1220]

I don't disagree that the Bills' first priorities are the lines. Also, I didn't say that I'd make the trade (though it would be given some heavy consideration). I was merely trying to defend DC in that he had a bad 1/2 of a season compared to several outstanding seasons. To me, that doesn't prove that he's washed up or overrated. A lot of good players have bad years or half-years now and then. It's when it starts to become more of the norm than just a handful of games that one has to worry about a player like that.

[DaBillzAhDaShiznit]

#1---If I were the Ravens, I would very likely make that trade, but I think
the Ravens are still on the Boller train, and I don't see it happening.
The Ravens have yet to give Boller tools to succeed, and I think they'll stick with him for at least the coming year.
I would not be at all surprised to see the Bills show some interest in Dante.

The Golden Boys don't have time to develop a QB or pin their hopes on a journeyman. Dante is the best of the potentially available QBs on the market,
and I can see a trade for McGahee in that we know he'll be gone soon anyway.

Anyone know how many years left on Dante's contract and how much jack is involved?

The only reason I would question a move for Dante is that I am not sure if
he would be an effective cold weather QB, what with his penchant for fumbling.

[mysticsoto]

But how does that explain why Johnson stepped in and got the job done???? Willis is a pro bowl caliber back, you don't want to lose that. I think if the Bills concentrated on the Oline and Dline they would improve. I think Holcomb is a sloid QB that's accurate enogh to be effective if he just get's the protection. With a Dline that can keep the score in the low 20's Holcomb could win.

Okay, who stole FTP's avatar and name sake and is posting as him but sounding somewhat intelligent???

[feelthepain]

Okay, who stole FTP's avatar and name sake and is posting as him but sounding somewhat intelligent???

I don't have problem talking football, but then posts like this are the reason things get out of hand. If you notice everytime a fin fan post some Bill fan has an issue with it even if it's in no way an insult of any kind. Just move on and realize I would much rather just talk football, if my opinion doesn't make you happy it's not because it's an insult to the Bill's to start trouble, but just pointing out a fact. Good or bad. It's just football talk.

[kgun12]

No I wouldn't make this trade in a 100 years! Culpepper with Moss just threw the ball as far as he could and Moss would go get it! It WASN"T a bad year for him, he is not that good. Johnson came in and proved it wasn't the team it was Culpepper. Besides he has 2 other problems, 1. legal 2. He tore his knee up bad, won't be the same this year or maybe ever! No thanks!

[BADTHINGSMAN]

Id like that move if Buffalo got an extra pick say rd3-4 and Culpepper for Mcgahee.. Willis is younger and has more upside than Culpepper has..

[BidsJr]

Id like that move if Buffalo got an extra pick say rd3-4 and Culpepper for Mcgahee.. Willis is younger and has more upside than Culpepper has..

I would never say that a top running back has more upside than a top QB.

I would take 15 years of Elway, Kelly, Montana over 6-10 Great years of Payton, Sanders, Smith.

[Carlton Bailey]

I actually love that trade idea. Willis for Culpepper would be awesome, but Pepp would need to restructure that contract.

[BADTHINGSMAN]

I would never say that a top running back has more upside than a top QB.

I would take 15 years of Elway, Kelly, Montana over 6-10 Great years of Payton, Sanders, Smith.


If they were the same age then yes.. Culpepper is 29 and had surgery in the offseason thats why Im saying McGahee has more upside than Culpepper..

Culpepper doesnt have 15 years left and McGahee still has alot of good seasons ahead of him..

[Michael82]

Don't forget about Culpepper's contract too. And he wants even more money ($10 million for the season), which is insane IMO. :crazy:

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[ICE74129]

Culpepper is overrated. Look how he did without Randy Moss for the first time. :ill:

Thank you! Some sports clowns whined 'But he lost randy moss'. Another guy said 'Yeah well 31 teams don't have randy moss' Bottom line the loss of Randy is an EXCUSE.

[The_Philster]

Cupepper? Hell no...we have actual needs to take care of before we trade away our starting RB for someone who isn't a need in the least

[Jeff1220]

The thing is that it's not the first time he's been w/o Randy. 3 straight games without him at all in 2004 and many others that year where RM was suited up, but barely played. Culpepper did just fine over that stretch and 2004 was his best year, and would've gotten more recognition for his super year (4700+ yards & around 40 TDs) if Manning didn't throw for close to that amount while breaking Dan Marino's TD record.

[Topdog]

Pleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaase some one take Culpepper, hes a loser!

[Philagape]

No. Freakin. Way.

[Mudflap1]

One point for sure is that Culpepper had the problem with the "party boat" this past season. That doesn't bode well for the "high character" that Marv seeks out in his players.

Jon

[Typ0]

Boller was really starting to play very well in the second half of last season. Also, Ravens were getting Lewis back to a place where he's really successful. This trade will not happen.

[ICE74129]

Cupepper? Hell no...we have actual needs to take care of before we trade away our starting RB for someone who isn't a need in the least

Amen to that! Just say NO to specialty players. Line, line and more line. We need DL And OL out the ass.

I know it isn't glamorous nor does it normally generate a great interest in the fanbase like a QB, RB or WR, Buffalo fans know what has been lacking. The Ngata pick would be applauded just like a QB pick would be.