Rumor: Vince Young scored a 6 on the Wonderlic

[finsrclowns]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

If this is true, I would run not walk away from Young if I were a top ten team looking for a QB. The NFL is light years more complex than college, and no position is more demanding mentally than QB. The Wonderlic is not a be all- end all but it is an ENORMOUS red flag when a QB scores single digits. If I were a GM, I'd be scared to death of drafting the next Akili Smith. Skills and athletic ability are NOT ENOUGH for a QB to succeed.

[Dozerdog]

Famous Scores

Pat McInally (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pat_McInally&action=edit), a wide receiver/punter from Harvard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard) who played for the Cincinnati Bengals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Bengals) from 1977 to 1985 is the only player known to have scored a perfect 50. In 2005 it was rumored that Ryan Fitzpatrick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Fitzpatrick), a quarterback also from Harvard, scored a perfect 50 but his actual accomplishment was to finish the test in 9 minutes with a score of 38 — the most impressive speed ever seen at the NFL Combine. Fitzpatrick was drafted in 2005 by the St. Louis Rams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Rams) — referenced in The Wall Street Journal (September 30, 2005) as the NFL's Smartest Team. The scores of successful (and not-so-successful) quarterbacks range widely:

Brian Griese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Griese) - 39
Akili Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akili_Smith) - 37, but is suspected of cheating because the first time he took the test he got a 15
Tom Brady (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brady) - 33
Steve Young (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Young) - 33
John Elway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Elway) - 30
Brett Favre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre) - 22
Dan Marino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino) - 16
Jeff George (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_George) - 10

[Tatonka]

i have said vince young blows all along.. i didnt know he was a stupid ass too.. but he is gonna suck in the nfl either way.. dumbass or not.

[YardRat]

Dan Marino--16--:roflmao:

He obviously missed all the questions that had to do with a running game.

[Bill Cody]

OMG- a 6? That's dumber than Willis and Travis!:roflmao:

[Devin]

Didnt J. Peters score a 5?

[Crisis]

i have said vince young blows all along.. i didnt know he was a stupid ass too.. but he is gonna suck in the nfl either way.. dumbass or not.
Agreed.

:handball:

[Jersey1031]

The test is ridiculously easy too! I encourage everybody to do the sample 15 question quiz!

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

All the answers are on the bottom, i got a 14 outta 15 easily.

[Devin]

Willis was less then stellar as well.

[OpIv37]

If Young slips, that could be bad news for the possibility of getting Brick, Ngata or Hawk at #8.

[Crisis]

If Young slips, that could be bad news for the possibility of getting Brick, Ngata or Hawk at #8.
Not if Cutler rises.

Only person at #8 I'd want over Huff is Brick...

I like Hawk, but LB isn't much of a need.

Ngata fills a position of need, but more of a gut feeling than anything else. I don't like what I saw from him, wasn't overly impressed. (NOT just from one game)

Huff is the next Ed Reed IMO. He'd replace our aging safeties.

[BSXIII]

Vince Young may or may not be illeterate, but he can read a defensive football scheme. He wasn't the fastest QB in college, but was the most effective running QB because he knew when and where to run the ball. Trying to say Losman is a better prospect than Vince Young is not only homerish, but also flat out laughable.

[Crisis]

Vince Young may or may not be illeterate, but he can read a defensive football scheme. He wasn't the fastest QB in college, but was the most effective running QB because he knew when and where to run the ball. Trying to say Losman is a better prospect than Vince Young is not only homerish, but also flat out laughable.

I'm not the biggest Losman fan but I would take him anyday over Young.

Young isn't fast. He's tall. He's not going to break that many tackles- nowhere close to that many, in the NFL. He doesn't have the size advantage in the NFL, and he's not going to run by or run over many guys in the NFL.

That's not even getting to his arm. He throws side-armed, and ALWAYS throws out of the shot-gun. He ran a high-school offense at Texas.

VINCE YOUNG IS THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER GOING INTO THE DRAFT IN YEARS.

[Bmax]

Why are some saying vince is overrated.... ? His stats say something .. His leadership says something..Just because the guy may need a couple of years to develope doesn't mean he will stink...Oh i forgot.. For a min i thought this board was for intelligent talk about the NFL..

Five reason why vince will be good

1. He is a big guy 6-5 -230 with a big arm
2. Speed ...it's imprtant in todays game
3. leadership-field general
4. Coachable
5. He has the it ...finds a way to beat you...can make plays ...a winner who just goes out and does what ever it takes to win...some guy have it ...some don't...

What good is a wonderlic score when you can't throw the 18 yard out pass...

Bmax

[Crisis]

Vince Young isn't fast.

Dorsey was a winner in college too.

His arm strength leaves a lot to be desired.

Just because he won a national championship on a great team people think he's a leader? There have been plenty of players who have titles, and many aren't "leaders."

Coachable...Losman, Leinart, Cutler, Manning, Rivers...None of them are coachable?

[alohabillsfan]

Do you guys really believe that you have to score a 30 on the wonerlic to be a good QB in football, (BTW Drew Bledsoe was not the sharpest tool in the shed and he's a pretty good QB). I am sure that there are plenty of examples of really smart QB's that flat out sucked, here is a list! http://www.unc.edu/~mirabile/Wonderlic.htm

[Don't Panic]

Do you guys really believe that you have to score a 30 on the wonerlic to be a good QB in football, (BTW Drew Bledsoe was not the sharpest tool in the shed and he's a pretty good QB). I am sure that there are plenty of examples of really smart QB's that flat out sucked, here is a list! http://www.unc.edu/~mirabile/Wonderlic.htm

Very true... still, I want my QB's smart as hell. Given the choice between the guy with a 14 and the guy with the 36, it's pretty much a no-brianer (if all else is relatively equal).

[dolphinssuck]

If you can throw accurately and scramble and read a defense you can be a QB.

[Don't Panic]

This Vince Young score has me thinking he'll be there at #8. I'm sure there's some team that doesn't put as much stock in the Wonderlic and would love to have him. We may be able to trade down and score a nice set of picks and/or players if that were the case.

[YardRat]

Bledsoe scored a 37 according to your link...a lot sharper than most of the other tools in the shed.

[dolphinssuck]

This Vince Young score has me thinking he'll be there at #8. I'm sure there's some team that doesn't put as much stock in the Wonderlic and would love to have him. We may be able to trade down and score a nice set of picks and/or players if that were the case.Yep, this kid is a definite talent and will make some team a good QB.

[Jan Reimers]

Didnt J. Peters score a 5?
I think Peters scored a 9, which would make him 50% smarter than Young.

[Bill Brasky]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

If this is true, I would run not walk away from Young if I were a top ten team looking for a QB. The NFL is light years more complex than college, and no position is more demanding mentally than QB. The Wonderlic is not a be all- end all but it is an ENORMOUS red flag when a QB scores single digits. If I were a GM, I'd be scared to death of drafting the next Akili Smith. Skills and athletic ability are NOT ENOUGH for a QB to succeed.

i'm sure they will find a way to play the race card on this.

[ICE74129]

NCAA | V. Young scores low on Wonderlic test
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:11:01 -0800

Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports there was word around the NFL Combine that Texas QB Vince Young scored a six on his Wonderlic test and scored another six on his second attempt at the test.

[The_Philster]

i'm sure they will find a way to play the race card on this.
yeah..."the questions are more geared to white guys brought up in middle class homes" thing they fail to realize is that plenty of minorities brought up in poor surroundings score higher than a 6...but I can see that happening as well, freeman

[Al13]

the problem with this he is not a DT lol

[Mad Bomber]

My dog scored an 8...

[Al13]

I think Peters scored a 9, which would make him 50% smarter than Young.


don´t wanna be a smartass but i think its only 45 %...

[The_Philster]

don´t wanna be a smartass but i think its only 45 %...
no..9 is 50% higher than 6

[Al13]

you are right i´m stoned but anyways there is some new info that maybe the guy who rated the test from VY messed it up :

COMBINE OFFICIAL SCREWED UP VINCE'S WONDERLIC

A league source tells us that Texas quarterback Vince Young indeed scored a six on the Wonderlic test on Saturday -- but that the guy who graded the test screwed the thing up when totaling the number of right answers.

Combine officials, we're told, have re-scored the Young's test and the test of all other players who took it in his group. NFL teams will get the official Wonderlic results for all players later in the week.

On Saturday, there was widespread chatter at the combine that Young got only six out of 50 questions right on the standard test used by the NFL to gauge player intelligence. The Nashville Tennessean corroborated the reports of the low score in its Sunday edition.

Whether the actual number was 6 or 50 or something in between remains to be seen.

It's a major embarrassment, in our view, for the folks who put on the combine. Because it's inevitable that this information will get out (indeed, Pro Football Weekly got their mitts on the full Wonderlic results from the 2005 combine), it's critical that the folks charged with grading the tests get it right.

It's even more important that the scores are right before the information is leaked.

We have a feeling that this one could get interesting. Stay tuned.

[The_Philster]

got a link?

[Al13]

no i copied this from another forum sorry

edit......http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

[TigerJ]

I heard that Young scored a 16 on a second attempt at taking the test. That's still pretty low for a QB, though there have been successful QBs scoring in that range (Dan Marino).