New stadium in Buffalo's future plans!

[Bill Brasky]

Mayor Brown's Vision for City Includes Football Stadium

Mark Scott

BUFFALO, NY (2006-02-28) The Buffalo Bills have a lease for use of Ralph Wilson Stadium in Orchard Park through the end of the 2013 season. But Mayor Byron Brown says it's not too soon for area leaders to start discussions of building a new stadium for the team in downtown Buffalo.


The mayor introduced the idea of a downtown stadium during his inaugural ball this past Saturday. Monday, Brown was asked to elaborate. He says it's too soon to say where a downtown stadium would be built. But Brown did not back down from what he says is his bold vision for Buffalo's future.

"Like so many others in Western New York, I love the Buffalo Bills. I think they are a great corporate citizen," Brown said. "Just sending a message to them that whatever their future needs might be, Buffalo can certainly satisfy those needs."

But County Executive Joel Giambra apparently doesn't share Brown vision. Giambra was caught off guard Monday when asked about the mayor's idea of a downtown stadium. He hadn't yet heard about it. But Giambra says Bills owner Ralph Wilson has made no mention at all of a need to replace the county-owned stadium named after him.

"I saw Mr. Wilson not too long ago. He's very happy with the tenant-landlord relationship that exists between Erie County and the Buffalo Bills," Giambra said. "The stadium has years of useful life left."
Giambra says there are more immediate priorities for downtown Buffalo, such as making the Erie Community College City Campus a centerpiece of a revitalized downtown.


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[RedEyE]

As long as they're doing something. It's dying down there.

[Bill Brasky]

yeah, did you see the article today in the news about the current state of the 'state'?

it was all over the papers here in nyc too...

http://buffalonews.com/editorial/20060228/1032112.asp

:ill:

[Drive 4 Five]

Poor bastards. Everyone up there is moving down here, to New Mexico. Rio Rancho New Mexico is the fastest growing city in the nation and it is full of you stinking New Yorkers.

Just kidding fellas.

[Bill Brasky]

Rio Rancho New Mexico is the fastest growing city in the nation

no it's not.

new york wouldn't be suffering massive population loss if the cost of living wasn't so out of wack. these idiots in albany don't realize that by jacking up the cost of living they're driving people out of state... there goes their property taxes, which is what cities rely on for income.

[Drive 4 Five]

no it's not.

new york wouldn't be suffering massive population loss if the cost of living wasn't so out of wack. these idiots in albany don't realize that by jacking up the cost of living they're driving people out of state... there goes their property taxes, which is what cities rely on for income.

Uh. Yes. It is.

Ok so I don't have a link for you, but I'll bet if you do some research, you'll find that to be a fact.

Anyway, I have no idea about NY and the cost of living there. All I know is people are loving the hell out of New Mexico right now. Great weather, beautiful women (I mean bea-u-tiful women), and the cost of living is wonderful.

What's not to like?

[Bill Brasky]

Uh. Yes. It is.

Ok so I don't have a link for you, but I'll bet if you do some research, you'll find that to be a fact.

Anyway, I have no idea about NY and the cost of living there. All I know is people are loving the hell out of New Mexico right now. Great weather, beautiful women (I mean bea-u-tiful women), and the cost of living is wonderful.

What's not to like?

I don't have to do research to know that it's not.

BTW: I've been to Albequerque, it is quite nice there and the people were nice as well. I was stuck driving in a wind and hail (?) storm before I got there and the scenery by the continental divide was f'n badass!

NEVER come to NY, unless it's for a Bills or Sabres game. That's what I tell people.

[gr8slayer]

Uh. Yes. It is.

Ok so I don't have a link for you, but I'll bet if you do some research, you'll find that to be a fact.

Anyway, I have no idea about NY and the cost of living there. All I know is people are loving the hell out of New Mexico right now. Great weather, beautiful women (I mean bea-u-tiful women), and the cost of living is wonderful.

What's not to like?
Actually if you want to get technical the fastest growing city in the USA is still Las Vegas, follow by McAllen Texas.

[Bill Brasky]

Actually if you want to get technical the fastest growing city in the USA is still Las Vegas, follow by McAllen Texas.

:lol: what?

If you want to get TECHNICAL about it...

Los Angeles, CA had the highest number of new residents.

As far as percentage growth, as of the July 2005 census the fastest growing cities were Port St Lucie (FL), North Vegas (NV), Gilbert (AZ)

of course, that is amongst cities with at least 100,000+

cities with less population, then about 1992103984 cities could claim they are the fastest growing because adding 1,000 new residents to a city with 10,000 residents is the same as adding 850,000 people to NYC...

i know my geography... you can even look that sh it up in the census bureau if you think I'm wrong. i'm sure it will tell you the same thing I just did.

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

Not when the Seneca Nation of Indians get done with it! There will no place left to build the new stadium the Seneca Nation bought up 9 1/2 acres of land for the the new casino and they could get more land to build on. If they do build the new stadium it should be were the Aud is now knock that sucker down it's just an empty building.

[gr8slayer]

:lol: what?

If you want to get TECHNICAL about it...

Los Angeles, CA had the highest number of new residents.

As far as percentage growth, as of the July 2005 census the fastest growing cities were Port St Lucie (FL), North Vegas (NV), Gilbert (AZ)

of course, that is amongst cities with at least 100,000+

cities with less population, then about 1992103984 cities could claim they are the fastest growing because adding 1,000 new residents to a city with 10,000 residents is the same as adding 850,000 people to NYC...

i know my geography... you can even look that sh it up in the census bureau if you think I'm wrong. i'm sure it will tell you the same thing I just did.
I need not look it up. My father works with the Census Bereau. I have my own personal library of information when it comes to anything to do with population.

[Bmax]

WHAT'S THE WATER SITUATION IN NEW MEXICO ? I read a report where the west is in trouble when it comes to have a plentiful source of fresh water.. Resevior were drying up left and right...They had to build a massive 500 mile pipeline to bring water in .. Just the thought of that makes me happy i live in WNY where that won't be an issue with two great lakes....


Bmax

[Mr. Cynical]

NYC is the center of the universe. That's all you need to know. :)

[The_Philster]

Not when the Seneca Nation of Indians get done with it! There will no place left to build the new stadium the Seneca Nation bought up 9 1/2 acres of land for the the new casino and they could get more land to build on. If they do build the new stadium it should be were the Aud is now knock that sucker down it's just an empty building.
The Aud is being taken over by Bass Pro Shops...there's plenty of area south of the Arena, though

[Bill Brasky]

WHAT'S THE WATER SITUATION IN NEW MEXICO ? I read a report where the west is in trouble when it comes to have a plentiful source of fresh water..

what do you think the hoover dam was built for?

[Jan Reimers]

Downtown Buffalo in general, and the waterfront area in particular, are experiencing a rebirth. Those of you who live in the area, or follow what's going on in the city, know of the many commercial, residential, architectural and historical/cultural projects that are underway, or in the planning stages.

A new stadium would fit beautifully in the inner harbor area, which already has, among other attractions, the HSBC Arena and Dunn Tire Park, and will have the Erie Canal Terminus/Museum, the Buffalo Creek Casino and (hopefully) the new Bass Pro Outdoor World store.

What Buffalo needs more than anything is a more positive outlook among its citizens.

[ICE74129]

Will there be a new owner? They are jumping the gun quite a bit. Hell the team might not even be here. I surely don't expect ol marv to be here in 2013

[TedMock]

In theory this is a great idea, but right now it seems to be a terrible idea. If Buffalo does experience a re-birth, and people come back, a stadium downtown would be great. There would be other things to see and do for out-of-towners. Right now, upstate and western NY are still pretty depressed. People aren't visiting downtown Buffalo. Suburbia is currently the best place for the stadium especially considering folks coming from outside the immediate Buffalo area. It's currently very easy to get in and out of the stadium grounds. Downtown, not so easy. If anything, a move east down the 90 would make more sense. I'm looking at today, and historical trends of Buffalo which is why I'm a little sour on the idea. Of course if things turn around, I'm all for a downtown stadium.

[Bill Brasky]

In theory this is a great idea, but right now it seems to be a terrible idea. If Buffalo does experience a re-birth, and people come back, a stadium downtown would be great. There would be other things to see and do for out-of-towners. Right now, upstate and western NY are still pretty depressed. People aren't visiting downtown Buffalo. Suburbia is currently the best place for the stadium especially considering folks coming from outside the immediate Buffalo area. It's currently very easy to get in and out of the stadium grounds. Downtown, not so easy. If anything, a move east down the 90 would make more sense. I'm looking at today, and historical trends of Buffalo which is why I'm a little sour on the idea. Of course if things turn around, I'm all for a downtown stadium.
only argument is that in order to rebuild, a stadium might be the prime selling point. businesses would kill to be located right next to 3 sport complexs (football, pilot field, hsbc)... not to mention bass pro... you're talking 4 major venues where population will swell during any time of the day/week/months.

look at baltimore. how many bars are right near camden yards? you're telling me something like that wouldn't work in buffalo? a stadium on the waterfront would be the first step into successfully rebuilding the downtown area, bringing in profitable businesses and better jobs than working at walmart or some sh ithole that goes up ever 5 feet in the U.S.

i honestly don't know why everyone complains about accessibility to downtown blo. it's one of the easily navigatible, least congested metro areas i've ever lived in or been to. if all the talk of finally ditching the NFTA trains on mainstreet and bringing autos back to that area is true, it opens up all sorts of possibilities. right now that rail/subway is worthless. rebuilding the waterfront gives the city more reason to expand the lines to bring people downtown... which will also create MORE jobs and MORE revenue for the city and running lines the lake makes that area more accessible and adds to the selling point.

i personally think it's a pain in the ass to get to orchard park. i'd like to just get on the damn thruway instead of navigating down 400 or 219 before and after games. put the stadium right on the water, make some sort of parking or access right next to the 90 or 190... or if the expanded the lines, it would finally make people in the burbs ride the damn subways.

[Michael82]

Hopefully we don't lose the tailgating. But I think we might. :ill: :(

[THATHURMANATOR]

Not when the Seneca Nation of Indians get done with it! There will no place left to build the new stadium the Seneca Nation bought up 9 1/2 acres of land for the the new casino and they could get more land to build on. If they do build the new stadium it should be were the Aud is now knock that sucker down it's just an empty building.
They are building a Bass pro in the old aud Sir....

At least the Senecas will do something with the land. There are plenty of areas to put a stadium downtown.

[Jeff1220]

Cost of living in UpstNY high? The only thing that ever creates moments of insanity in my brain about moving back there is that it is so cheap. Sure the property tax percentage is high, but for what you pay for a house, who cares?

[Jan Reimers]

They are building a Bass pro in the old aud Sir....

At least the Senecas will do something with the land. There are plenty of areas to put a stadium downtown.
I agree. The casino is going to be in an area of vacant lots and dilapidated warehouses in the Cobblestone district. It will be a huge improvement in that part of town.

If the Senecas DO buy more land in downtown Buffalo, it will only bring positive development to a dormant area. And anyone who thinks the Senecas are going to buy huge tracts of city land have been reading too many horror stories from the Buffalo News, or local politicians, or anti-casino groups who are generally against progress of any kind.

[THATHURMANATOR]

agreed Jan!

[EricStratton]

If the CBA falls apart and there is no cap the next owners of the Bills will need a money gererating stadium to compete with the big boys.

It doesn't matter where it's built but a downtown stadium, if the mass transit situation works out, would seem to make sense as a way to gererate money outside of football.

[EricStratton]

Hell, if Detroit can make a downtown stadium work Buffalo sure as hell can.

[gr8slayer]

Hell, if Detroit can make a downtown stadium work Buffalo sure as hell can.
Detroit most likely has a little bit better economy.

[EricStratton]

It can't be much better gr8.