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  • Bill Brasky
    Drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls
    • Jan 2004
    • 66218

    No CBA not only will kill this franchise, it will kill the fans...

    I've heard some people here say that the possibility of an uncapped year or two will "backfire" so to say... IE: when the skins went on a spending spree only to fall flat on their face... or how the yankees constantly spend far more than most teams yet haven't won in half a decade...

    However, tell that to teams like the Kansas City Royals, Milwaukee Brewers, and Cincinnati Reds... all 3 of those teams are considered "small market" by baseball standards. When's the last time any of those teams were even competive, both on the field and in free agency?

    In the long term.... no salary cap might not kill the Bills as far as relocation, disbanding, etc... but they won't be able to compete against teams like Dallas and Washington with unlimited capital, and what good is a team when it won't be able to bring in guys to make the team competitive. Yes, they might HAVE a good chunk of change, but there will always be teams like New England, Oakland, NYG that can and WILL spend more to get the best players, leaving teams like Buffalo and Jacksonville picking up the scrubs every year.

    And consider this... with the mass amount of *****ing many of you do regarding ticket/game costs... without the CBA we can expect a major hike in ticket prices, apparel, concessions, every year. There will be a % cap on how high they can be raised, but you can bet the house that small market teams will almost be forced to jack up prices on everything to maintain operating costs and profits.

    As of right now, the five smallest NFL markets are:

    1. Green Bay (though if you count Milwaukee in it's market it would go all the way down to 5th)
    2. Jacksonville Jaguars
    3. Buffalo Bills
    4. New Orleans (pre-Katrina) Saints
    5. Nashville (Tennessee) Titans

    Remember that a "market" is comprised of metro population, not city population. IE: eventhough Jacksonville is one of the largest "cities" in the U.S., it's metro area is not all that big, in fact it's a tad lower than Buffalo's.

    However, with the way Jacksonville is growing and Buffalo declining, we are looking at the possibility of Buffalo being the smallest football market next to Green Bay by the time an uncapped year goes into effect. I don't think Green Bay, with all it's "history" would have a hard time attracting decent players, but what incentives would top tier players have by coming to play in Buffalo, which theoritically would be the smallest market and at the same time suffering from economic and fanbase (population) decline.

    Plain and simple - this could spell disaster for not only the Bills, but the fans as well.

  • Devin
    The Octagon
    • Apr 2003
    • 23878

    #2
    Re: No CBA not only will kill this franchise, it will kill the fans...

    Yup. No CBA is going to hurt the NFL, especially small markets bad.
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    • Bill Brasky
      Drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls
      • Jan 2004
      • 66218

      #3
      Re: No CBA not only will kill this franchise, it will kill the fans...

      it just sucks to consider this team possibly not existing. i would almost rather have them relocate instead of turning into the Royals of the NFL

      this damn state has ruined everything and it will eventually be the downfall of our team as well. f'n bastards. that is another issue for another time, though.

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      • tat2dmike77
        Let the planet get warmer. We'll grow oranges in Alaska!
        • Dec 2005
        • 9285

        #4
        Re: No CBA not only will kill this franchise, it will kill the fans...

        No cap means it goes back to the 80's when it was the same teams winning and the same teams losing all the time.

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        • billsburgh
          Registered User
          • Jul 2003
          • 3560

          #5
          Re: No CBA not only will kill this franchise, it will kill the fans...

          doesnt look good, these greedy bastards dont know how good they have it. Always wanting more and more. It's going to be hard for me to remain a fan of the NFL if there is no cap and people like Snyder and Jones ruin the league by outspending everyone else.

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          • Bill Brasky
            Drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls
            • Jan 2004
            • 66218

            #6
            Re: No CBA not only will kill this franchise, it will kill the fans...

            yeah, we already have the yankees, why make another sport the same old story?

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            • Marvelous
              Registered User
              • Feb 2004
              • 2226

              #7
              Re: No CBA not only will kill this franchise, it will kill the fans...

              If that were the case then our only bright spot would be the draft. I hate the players greed. How did it get this messed up anyways? Free agency ruined the game. My dad still to this day complains every season about how todays game sucks because players relocate so much that you can't identify with any of them... I know we would be a constant top 10 team if free agency died. We draft solid enough to hold our own............
              GO BILLS!!! NE
              Magical Trevor

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              • billsburgh
                Registered User
                • Jul 2003
                • 3560

                #8
                Re: No CBA not only will kill this franchise, it will kill the fans...

                Originally posted by Marv
                We draft solid enough to hold our own............
                not the last few years. maybe that will improve now that TD is gone.

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                • PromoTheRobot
                  Registered User
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 2311

                  #9
                  Re: No CBA not only will kill this franchise, it will kill the fans...

                  What makes the NFL really popular us GAMBLING! The fact you can bet on all 30 teams is a big reason. (any given Sunday, right?) What happens when the NFL is reduced to 8 haves, and 22 have-not franchises? Gamblers lose interest because so many games will be mismatches. The networks will lose interest because there will be only 8 teams worth showing. If most of the contests are mismatches, fans will lose interest.

                  What the greedy bastards like Jones and Kraft don't realize is the NFL doesn't work like MLB. The reason the Yankees do so well is because they dominate the #1 market. They get the most $$$ for their local TV and radio, of which there are 162 games a year. (Don't forget they own their own TV network. Yet there are enough games for Fox and ESPN to show as well. Not so with football.)

                  Is the NFL ready to move to a similar model? With only 16 games a year? Will Dallas be able to compete with the New York teams? WIll Houston make as much as New England? You want to see crying? Wait till one of these fat-cat owners falls behind in the revenue race! Then you will see them all wonder why-oh-why aren't things they way they used to be!

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                  • RedEyE
                    Registered User
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 24661

                    #10
                    Re: No CBA not only will kill this franchise, it will kill the fans...

                    Oddly enough Buffalo's Super Bowl runs came without a cap.

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                    • ICE74129
                      Legendary Zoner
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 10796

                      #11
                      Re: No CBA not only will kill this franchise, it will kill the fans...

                      Some other things to consider....

                      1) we have the 'poorest' owner in the NFL or damn close to it. There have been many reports come out esp when the lease was up around 97/98 about Ralph Wilsons income from business etc. He is in the bottom 25% as for as money. This means there is no way in hell he can afford the outragous signing bonuses that the Jerry Jones' and Bob Kraft's of the NFL will be offering up.

                      2) we are not an attractive option right now anyway. Yeah yeah Buffalo is great blah blah blah. They are great to those IN WNY. Outside of it Buffalo has a bad rep. I have MANY Former buffalonians in Tulsa. They loved it there except 1) no jobs, 2) the most taxed area in the nation and 3) Nothing else to do other than the sabers, Bills and the 'canadian ballet'.

                      Add to that we are honest to God the laughing stock of the NFL. Not only did this last season and all the BS that went on with it make us look even worse, MM flat QUIT after being on the job a week. Then we sign Dick Jauron over Mike Sherman. Now I am willing to say that we MIGHT have made the right pick after all, but perception is....we went with the 'Cheap' choice or 'the Puppet' for marv/Ralph.

                      Look everyone here loves the Bills. No doubt about that, but REALITY Says, we really do suck. To anyone outside of WNY we are the joke of the NFL and have done nothing but sink further into that status.

                      I feel it will take signing cheap FA's that just need a good system and good coaching, along with building in the draft (Note: There may not be a draft after 07. Part of the CBA disolving is no draft. Owners can just go to campus and outbid each other for the College player they want) To get us back to where we need to be. But in all honesty....we need a new owner.

                      Ralph is getting way too old. Funny PC's but the man got lost several times during them and looked winded as well. He won't have the money to battle the top owners.

                      Bottom line the only way we survive this is 1) New ownership. 2) Great coaching and having modrak etc find 'gems' to work with. Other wise, get used to sub 7 win seasons and no way to get out of the rut.

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                      • Bill Brasky
                        Drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 66218

                        #12
                        Re: No CBA not only will kill this franchise, it will kill the fans...

                        Originally posted by RedEyE
                        Oddly enough Buffalo's Super Bowl runs came without a cap.
                        yeah that is true, but you also have to remember buffalo's drafts during the mid to late 80's... they were able to stockpile young talent because they sucked for so long.

                        i guess not having a cap could work. if they are able to sort of repeat that scenario, stockpile young guys, build an environment condusive to winning, then maybe the incentives to stick around a winning team outweigh the big contracts they might get elsewhere... but the football world is vastly different than it was 15 years ago... i don't know if this strategy will necessarily work anymore.

                        everybody points to NE... "Guys wanna go there, they stay cuz they win"... i don't think it's any secret that they also stay because they are going to get paid.

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                        • ICE74129
                          Legendary Zoner
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 10796

                          #13
                          Re: No CBA not only will kill this franchise, it will kill the fans...

                          Originally posted by jfreeman
                          yeah that is true, but you also have to remember buffalo's drafts during the mid to late 80's... they were able to stockpile young talent because they sucked for so long.

                          i guess not having a cap could work. if they are able to sort of repeat that scenario, stockpile young guys, build an environment condusive to winning, then maybe the incentives to stick around a winning team outweigh the big contracts they might get elsewhere... but the football world is vastly different than it was 15 years ago... i don't know if this strategy will necessarily work anymore.

                          everybody points to NE... "Guys wanna go there, they stay cuz they win"... i don't think it's any secret that they also stay because they are going to get paid.
                          The problem is there will be no draft either. They still haven't decided how you go about getting FA's yet as well. I do know it will now be 6 years instead of 4 to become an UFA

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                          • THATHURMANATOR
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 69112

                            #14
                            Re: No CBA not only will kill this franchise, it will kill the fans...

                            Guys they aren't talking about no cap long term. It would be for one year... It would suck but I am thinking we could survive. Also think about this. Here are the bottom 6 payrolls in the majors:

                            Milwaukee 42,752,833

                            Cleveland 40,684,100

                            Kansas City 34,903,000

                            Colorado 32,504,000

                            Pittsburgh 30,139,200

                            Tampa Bay 26,615,413

                            The Bills payroll this year is over 90 mil. Showing the are able to sign players. There are also large influxes of talent every year from the draft so there will be players available. In baseball drafted players take years to develop. Yes we will most likely be out bid most times on the marqee name but we could survive non capped for a year or so.

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                            • Bill Brasky
                              Drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 66218

                              #15
                              Re: No CBA not only will kill this franchise, it will kill the fans...

                              Originally posted by ICE74129
                              The problem is there will be no draft either. They still haven't decided how you go about getting FA's yet as well. I do know it will now be 6 years instead of 4 to become an UFA
                              there would have to be some sort of draft, though. if there wasn't, prices would all be averaged out. players wouldn't stand for that crap. they'd go to the CFL or some sh it.

                              no way a guy like reggie bush, or any #1 overall, is gonna go into a league that would be paying a 8th round pick the same as a #1 overall.

                              not having a draft would be more assinine than not having a cap. it might not be structered the same, but they'd have to have something resembling a draft. even before the cap they had one.

                              6 years to become an UFA - love it. that way you lock up guys semi-long term. makes teams more competitive. right now, they can jump a sucky ship and go to a super bowl contender and leave teams in constant rebuilding mode.

                              it takes 3-5 years to build a powerhouse in today's nfl. making guys commit 6 years increases a teams chance for success tremendosly and evens the playingfield, imo.

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