Are teams like the Bills responsible for the CBA impasse?

[Dozerdog]

Owners holding up CBA extension

John Czarnecki / FOXSports.com Posted: 1 hour ago

It depends on the day and whom you are talking with, but there are many within the NFL who believe that commissioner Paul Tagliabue and union boss Gene Upshaw have a handshake deal, but that the commissioner simply can't get enough support from ownership for his extension to the current collective bargaining agreement.The rationale behind such thinking is that Tagliabue and Upshaw are smart men with a total understanding of the financial bottom line and that they both find it idiotic to spend the rest of their few remaining years on the job arguing about salary-cap issues considering the billion-dollar enterprise that keeps them wealthy and employed. Basically, this past week has seen a lot of posturing on both sides of this huge financial issue but the word is that Upshaw wants to finalize an agreement and that it doesn't necessarily have to start with 60 percent of the total league-wide revenue. Interestingly, whatever he has discussed with Tagliabue he hasn't shared with his union members. The players have no idea about what benefits and salary levels may be part of any potential long-range package. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5380160

[Michael82]

Re: Are teams like the Bills responsible for the CBA impasse?

yeah they are and I'm glad that Ralph and the small market teams are stopping it. IMO the real problem is not the 60% like the NFL wants us to think. it's all about the Revenue sharing. Ralph and the other small market teams know that they need even more sharing to be able to compete with Synder, Jones, Davis, Kraft, and the other top 10 rich greedy bastard big market owners.

[DraftBoy]

Re: Are teams like the Bills responsible for the CBA impasse?

yeah they are and I'm glad that Ralph and the small market teams are stopping it. IMO the real problem is not the 60% like the NFL wants us to think. it's all about the Revenue sharing. Ralph and the other small market teams know that they need even more sharing to be able to compete with Synder, Jones, Davis, Kraft, and the other top 10 rich greedy bastard big market owners.

Jesus Mikey can you spell split personality one thread your ripping the players and owners for not getting a deal done already and then here you praise Ralph and small market teams for holding up the deal? Which is it? You can play both sides to the middle.

[L.A. Playa]

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how can you call the big market teams greedy when they are willing to spend their money to field a great team ?? I think the small market teams taht make tons of money from advertising and the TV deal are the real greedy owners, they want to keep as much money as possible crying they cant raise as much revenue.

Here is a novel idea put a competitive team on the field and you will sell out your stadiums and make money.

If you want an example of a soft salary cap working look at the NBA the small market San Antonio Spurs are an elite team in the NBA while the big market NY Knicks and LA Lakers with all their money to spend are struggling or will miss the playoffs all together.

San Antonio spends money and wisely and sells out games and wins championships the same model can be found in the NFL the greedy owners are the small market ones not the big market owners.

[Michael82]

Re: Are teams like the Bills responsible for the CBA impasse?

Jesus Mikey can you spell split personality one thread your ripping the players and owners for not getting a deal done already and then here you praise Ralph and small market teams for holding up the deal? Which is it? You can play both sides to the middle.

yeah i can. it's fun. That way i'm always right.


okay, i guess i worded it wrong. I do want this ****ing deal done, but a huge part of it has to be 100% revenue sharing, so the small market teams can stay competitive. And the greedy owners that I blame are the Jones, Kraft, Synders of the league. Not the Wilson, Rooneys of the league. Those guys know that we need a true revenue sharing to help split the money more evenly so the low income teams can still afford to spend a ton of money on the players and coaches like the high income ones can.

[Michael82]

Re: Are teams like the Bills responsible for the CBA impasse?

how can you call the big market teams greedy when they are willing to spend their money to field a great team ?? I think the small market teams taht make tons of money from advertising and the TV deal are the real greedy owners, they want to keep as much money as possible crying they cant raise as much revenue.

Here is a novel idea put a competitive team on the field and you will sell out your stadiums and make money.

If you want an example of a soft salary cap working look at the NBA the small market San Antonio Spurs are an elite team in the NBA while the big market NY Knicks and LA Lakers with all their money to spend are struggling or will miss the playoffs all together.

San Antonio spends money and wisely and sells out games and wins championships the same model can be found in the NFL the greedy owners are the small market ones not the big market owners.

i totally disagree. The small market teams can't make as much money because they are in the small market cities. Just imagine if Ralph Wilson started charging the same price for tickets and merchandise that Kraft and Jones does. The fans would revolt. No way could i afford seasons if they were $1000 a piece. The small market teams no this, so they try to keep the prices sowhat low so they don't scare away their fan base.

[Michael82]

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Oh and Playa...the large market teams make TONS more money than the small market teams...that's why it's call LARGE market. They have a richer, bigger fan base and can charge more money and market to richer people. With a city like Buffalo, it's a lot harder. Same thing with Pittsburgh and Jacksonville.

[L.A. Playa]

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so you think the NBA is different than the NFL ?? How can a small market team like San Antonio suceed and win and a large market team like NY spend and spend and spend and still be in last place??

They all make lots of money dont fool yourself Mikey its all bull****

[RedEyE]

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Oddly enough, small market teams like the Bills, the Jaguars and the Packers don't seem to be having any problems selling out games. It's more about maintaining affordable prices in small market economies. Fans can't afford to put up big bucks when their local economy doesn't afford them better opportunities.

Big market teams like Dallas and Washingto have an in-fill of corporations surrounding their metro areas. Teams like Dallas increase ticket prices because their local economy allows their fans more financial opportunities.

[Dozerdog]

Re: Are teams like the Bills responsible for the CBA impasse?

so you think the NBA is different than the NFL ?? How can a small market team like San Antonio suceed and win and a large market team like NY spend and spend and spend and still be in last place??

For the same reasons - cost certanty. In the NBA and NFL bad management has teams like the Knicks in last place every year- not the economics of the game


The players should get a set amount of the pie- This is why the NFL, NBA, and now NHL can have a level playing field when it comes to winning a championship. Now thew best GMs and coaches win, not the best owner with deepest wallets (like MLB)


The question seems to be what gets included in that pie- There are 5-6 owners making a ton more than the rest- and they don't want to split a portion with it with those teams that help put these owners in their current position in the first place.


Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder are going to ruin the NFL for the rest of us.

[Michael82]

Re: Are teams like the Bills responsible for the CBA impasse?

so you think the NBA is different than the NFL ?? How can a small market team like San Antonio suceed and win and a large market team like NY spend and spend and spend and still be in last place??

They all make lots of money dont fool yourself Mikey its all bull****

Because the large market team in NY spent VERY VERY stupidly, kinda like what Synder used to do in Washington.

[Michael82]

Re: Are teams like the Bills responsible for the CBA impasse?

For the same reasons - cost certanty. In the NBA and NFL bad management has teams like the Knicks in last place every year- not the economics of the game


The players should get a set amount of the pie- This is why the NFL, NBA, and now NHL can have a level playing field when it comes to winning a championship. Now thew best GMs and coaches win, not the best owner with deepest wallets (like MLB)


The question seems to be what gets included in that pie- There are 5-6 owners making a ton more than the rest- and they don't want to split a portion with it with those teams that help put these owners in their current position in the first place.


Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder are going to ruin the NFL for the rest of us.

Good post, Dozer! That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm just surprised that Jones and Synder were able to convince another 6-7 teams to be on their side.

[L.A. Playa]

Re: Are teams like the Bills responsible for the CBA impasse?

the one thing that can level the playing field is a cap on what you can front office staff and coaching staffs, this doesnt allow teams to make high priced front offices or coaching staffs, if you are going to cap the player salaries cap these also.

I am not against a salary cap, but they need to either make a hard cap and stick to it with no "loopholes" or if you want to level revenue sharing make it a soft cap where if you go over the cap any team taht goes over pays a dollar for dollar cap penalty that is then distributed to the other 31 team equally.

Also, guaranteed contracts to players would eliminate a 35 year old player from getting a 10 year $50 mil contract where $45 mil will be paid out over the last 7 years.

There are solutions to everything the owners and players just dont want to give to get

[!Papacrunk!]

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.....Bengals owner Mike Brown would rather not pursue stadium-naming rights and keep Cincinnati's stadium named after his father, Paul Brown. The Bengals lose revenue because of that honor toward Paul Brown, but why should the rich owners make up the revenue difference because of money lost in such a circumstance?

An honarable thing to do, but it is a good point--why should other owners, making shrewd decisions to remain competitive, have to pick up the slack when other teams don't utilize such opportunites that are at their disposal? I am torn, I hate seeing traditions fall by the wayside of advertising, but it's simply the nature of the beast.

I really do hope they can get this done, call me selfish, but to a lot of people's dismay on this site, the Phins could use a bit more of the salary cap. Big props to the previous regimes putting us in this postion, on a side note--why oh why oh why did they give Reggie Howard such a fat contract, REGGIE FREAKIN HOWARD. Yet another example of brilliance by WannSpiel.

[Bert102176]

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Mikey I agree with ya