If Ngata & Bunkley are gone

[patmoran2006]

Reggie Bush, D'Brickshaw Ferguson, Mario Williams, Matt Leinart and AJ Hawk are absolute locks to go in the top five of the draft; via current order or trades, in particular order..

That leaves Bunkley, Ngata, Veron Davis, MIke Huff, Jay Cutler and Vince Young as the next level of players..

Under this scenario, not certain of course but at least possible.. What does Buffalo do?

6- SF- Ngata (def possible for a team to reach that high to stop the run)
7- Oak- Bunkley (ditto and they cut big Ted and their run d iS BRUTAL)

8- Buffalo?

Davis: I dont think Marv has the gonads to take Davis, even though in today's NFL a great tight end lines up as a receiever as much as he does off the end of the line. With MOulds gone this dude would hog so much attention from Evans that Lee could have a sick year. I"D take him in a MINUTE I dont care that we already have Everett and signed Royal. WE could use a lot of one RB sets and have Davis and Royal on at the same time, for far obvious different reasons. Good luck trying to have a LB cover Davis.

Huff: Highly rated.. But Buffalo did already sign Bowen to compete with Baker for SS job (which I totally disagree with, but thats another topic)

The QB's: Young and Cutler
I wrote about this early this week.. I stand by my belief at least one of them will be available when Buffalo picks. I'm not SUGGESTING we take one (though I'd highly consider it) but just throwing it out they're on the board.

Under the scenario where Ngata and Bunkley got taken ahead of buffalo, what do you do? And for the spirit of the thread, lets say nobody gives you a good enough deal to trade down, so you HAVE to take the best player on the board for your team at eight.

[Dr. Lecter]

Huff. I like the idea of a safety with that much ability in the new defense. And I don't think Hawk is a top 5 lock. Tennessee might very well grab a QB at #3, dropping Hawk.

The other possibility (imo) is to reach for a safety.

[That Guy]

The thing is that.. there really isn't many teams in the NFL left that would think about drafting a first round quarterback. I mean really.. there's probably only like 2 or 3 at most. That could really throw a wrench in the draft projections, as I don't think New Orleans, Tennessee or the Jets will draft a QB anymore. Really, I see Baltimore and Arizona as the only teams who would want a first round QB (off the top of my head). The rest of the teams have made some sort of move that suggests that they have found their QBs elsewhere.


BTW just as a note... scouts said Jay Cutler threw excellent (completing 44 out of 45 passes) on a very windy and cold day during his pro day.

[YardRat]

If trading down is not an option, then I take Huff.

Screw Bowen, Cutler, and Young.

[patmoran2006]

Lechter: I think leinart goes to Tenn at 3.. Brick or Mario (which one isnt at 2) goes to NY at 4 and Hawk without question to GB at five..

GB is trying to build a nasty defense..

Personally, if it were MY team I would draft Cutler under those circumstances..

I'd be happy with Huff or Davis.

Huff: Because he's a great athelte and can be a Polamalu type of safety to this defense. I love that. and Nobody in WNy will convince me Rashad Baker should be our starting safety, I dont care if its a base, 46 or cover two defense.. Let the kid learn for another year and then take over for Vincent in 2007.

Davis: Just because he is simply too good to pass up.. AS it is, teams are going to be all over Evans because I dont feel we have another real threat.. Davis would change that instantly.. No LB in the NFL can cover him he'd have to be double teamed and you cant double team everyone.. I feel VERY sorry for Evans if Josh Reed is the next best pass catcher on the field.

Plus, he's so fast he can line up at times as a WR, kind of like SD does with Gates.. and you can mix up the offense and run a lot more 1 back sets with Royal as the TE blocking on the line.

Nothing against Everett, you can find ways to use him too.. But Davis is too F'N good to pass on becuase he isn't a "need pick"

[ICE74129]

Houston bush
NO Williams
Tenn Lionart
Jets D'brick
GB Hawk
SF Davis
Oak Young

Buffalo....

Both DT's will be there. We aren't taking a QB with JP on this roster. We cut him then I will buy into it. Marv and Ralph aren't going to waste the time to develop a QB. That means at some point the franchise takes a step back AGAIN to let him have full season to develop. If they aren't willing to do that this year with JP they aren't with some rookie. It is JP or some other veteran.

We take Bunkley or trade down.

[Big M]

I'm pretty sure both Ngata and Bunkley will both be there by #8. If not, we take the one that's left.

The way the signings are going, it seems to indicate that DT is the pick. The Safety,WR & TE depth may be done.

Could mean a slew of picks in the OL after Round 1. Seeing quality well into the 3rd round and the Bills with an early 2nd and two early 3rds, I wouldn't be opposed to that philosophy.

[Bmax]

not likely ...but i will take huff....2nd option trade down...take o-linemen



Bmax

[ICE74129]

If you listen to our DC's interview with howard Simon on WGR, he fully expects our new SS to be the starter.

[patmoran2006]

Reggie Bush, D'Brickshaw Ferguson, Mario Williams, Matt Leinart and AJ Hawk are absolute locks to go in the top five of the draft; via current order or trades, in particular order..

That leaves Bunkley, Ngata, Veron Davis, MIke Huff, Jay Cutler and Vince Young as the next level of players..

Under this scenario, not certain of course but at least possible.. What does Buffalo do?

6- SF- Ngata (def possible for a team to reach that high to stop the run)
7- Oak- Bunkley (ditto and they cut big Ted and their run d iS BRUTAL)

8- Buffalo?

Davis: I dont think Marv has the gonads to take Davis, even though in today's NFL a great tight end lines up as a receiever as much as he does off the end of the line. With MOulds gone this dude would hog so much attention from Evans that Lee could have a sick year. I"D take him in a MINUTE I dont care that we already have Everett and signed Royal. WE could use a lot of one RB sets and have Davis and Royal on at the same time, for far obvious different reasons. Good luck trying to have a LB cover Davis.

Huff: Highly rated.. But Buffalo did already sign Bowen to compete with Baker for SS job (which I totally disagree with, but thats another topic)

The QB's: Young and Cutler
I wrote about this early this week.. I stand by my belief at least one of them will be available when Buffalo picks. I'm not SUGGESTING we take one (though I'd highly consider it) but just throwing it out they're on the board.

Under the scenario where Ngata and Bunkley got taken ahead of buffalo, what do you do? And for the spirit of the thread, lets say nobody gives you a good enough deal to trade down, so you HAVE to take the best player on the board for your team at eight.

Ice.. Again.. I suspect that you have a problem grasping the concept of reading properly.. IN this post, its pretty CLEARLY stated (and in case you STILL dont get it, I made it in bold- JUST FOR YOU) regarding "under the scenario Ngata and Bunkley got taken ahead of Buffalo"

And as you use your famous "are you at obd how DO YOU KNOW what marv offered." HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW FOR A FACT that BUnkley or Ngata one or both WONT go ahead of Buffalo.. Are you INSIDE 31 other organizations.. YOU DONT know about your OWN TEAM, how you going to know about what the SF or Oak GM's are thinking? How do you know Cleveland or Baltimore wont trade ahead of Buffalo.. They both want DT's..

Learn how to read Homer.

[gr8slayer]

If you listen to our DC's interview with howard Simon on WGR, he fully expects our new SS to be the starter.
Im not sure if thats a good thing.

[kgun12]

Both should be there. In Pay's draft he has Oakland taking a DL. My question here is if they don't take a QB, there are a few teams behind us that need a QB for the furture, Minn, Arizona, Dallas, Denver and KC. If one one these guys falls to them they will jump on either Young or Cutler. Besides there is a long way to go before the draft, so a lot can happen.

[patmoran2006]

LOL at a few of you people..
The thread read IF Ngata or Bunkley were gone.. And it also said for the spirit of the thread no team was willing to trade up to eight.. then WHO would you take..

Do you think that its REMOTELY POSSIBLE in this strange, strange world for this to happen?

Cleveland, badly wanting a huge NT to build the 3-4 around, trades up with SF at six to take Ngata?

Baltimore, who lost Kemo to Carolina wants a pair of dominant DT (PRyce the other) and trades up with Oakland to take Bunkley?

[patmoran2006]

Kgun..
I agree , at least one if not both SHOULD def be there.. The topic was who to take if by some chance (and it is at least possible) that they're both gone.

[patmoran2006]

Im not sure if thats a good thing.

dont bother disagreeing with Ice or expressing a negative opinion on a Bills player or position.


It will be "Spam" or "Tos"

[HHURRICANE]

LOL at a few of you people..
The thread read IF Ngata or Bunkley were gone.. And it also said for the spirit of the thread no team was willing to trade up to eight.. then WHO would you take..
Baltimore, who lost Kemo to Carolina wants a pair of dominant DT (PRyce the other) and trades up with Oakland to take Bunkley?

Let's make this easy. If, by some remote chance, Young or Cutler is still there at 8, I believe there is something in place where the Bills would trade down and pick up additional picks. This is the most likely scenarion!!

[Bmax]

Curent mock for 1st ten picks..

1.Houston-Bush
2.N.O-Mario Williams-could take brick if they do jets will take mario
3.Tenn.-Leinart-chance to work with chow
4.Jets-Brick
5.Green Bay-AJ Hawk-need def..could go davis
6.San Fran-Davis- they like hawk but hey can't pass up davis..could consider bunkley or cromartie who is zooming up boards
7.Oakland-Young- Cutler also a option
8. Bills-Ngata

Bmax

[patmoran2006]

Bmax..

Very very likely.. I wasnt projecting the top 8 picks here.. IN fact, in my mock I put out 3 days ago, I have Bunkley going 8 to Buffalo and I got Ngata falling all the way down to 11..

I was painting a "what if by chance they were both gone" scenario

[kgun12]

Kgun..
I agree , at least one if not both SHOULD def be there.. The topic was who to take if by some chance (and it is at least possible) that they're both gone.


Sorry your right! I would take Winston Justice, Jimmy Williams, Tamba Hali, or Marcus McNeil in that order.

[patmoran2006]

Dont be shocked at ALL to see Dallas try to trade into the top eight and get Ngata for the defense, especially after cutting GLover..

[Mr. Pink]

With the 8th pick in the 2006 NFL Draft....

The Buffalo Bills select....

Santonio Holmes WR Ohio St

With their 3rd round selection, 67th Overall

The Buffalo Bills select....

Omar Jacobs QB Bowling Green

[patmoran2006]

Another WR.. We're going to run triple reverses on every play.

[DraftBoy]

In your situation we would take Micheal Huff. He is arguably the best defensive player in the draft and he is at a need posistion. Those two things make the Davis argument mute. Both are freakish athletes;
Micheal Huff 6-0 198 4.35
Vernon Davis 6-2 252 4.45

S Posistion Depth:
Rashad Baker
Coy Wire
Matt Bowed
Jim Leonhard
Rob Lee

TE Posistion Depth:
Robert Royal
Tim Euhus
Kevin Everett
Brad Cieslak
Ryan Nuefeld

We have three very capable TE's who have shown either the ability to play in the big leagues or some big play ability in college. However on the other side of the ball we do not have anybody capable of playing as a S yet. Baker and Leonhard may eventually get there. Matt Bowen is no more than a ST specialist, and a good one at that, anybody who thinks of him any differently is a fool. I think we all too fondly remeber the Coy Wire experiment. The choice in this scenario is a no brainer. You take the next Ed Reed in Micheal Huff.

[patmoran2006]

Next Ed Reed, or the next Quentin Jammer..? Texas DB's do not have a history of doing well in the NFL and Bryant Westbrook is another example.

I will say this though. If Ngata and Bunkley are gone, I take Davis.. Hell, I take Davis before the DT as well because this guy can play TE and WR and throw your entire defense off wack..

But I would not be killing myself if we took Huff.. He does have skills I watched a lot of Texas football last year two years and he's always around the ball. He reminds me a little bit of Polamalu.

The only other thing about safety is there a lot of them this year, and you culd get a good one in the 2nd maybe even third round.

Davis on the other hand.. Man, I dont know when your going to get another end like that.. I wouldnt even label him a tight end.. He's an "end."

[DraftBoy]

Next Ed Reed, or the next Quentin Jammer..? Texas DB's do not have a history of doing well in the NFL and Bryant Westbrook is another example.

I will say this though. If Ngata and Bunkley are gone, I take Davis.. Hell, I take Davis before the DT as well because this guy can play TE and WR and throw your entire defense off wack..

But I would not be killing myself if we took Huff.. He does have skills I watched a lot of Texas football last year two years and he's always around the ball. He reminds me a little bit of Polamalu.

The only other thing about safety is there a lot of them this year, and you culd get a good one in the 2nd maybe even third round.

Davis on the other hand.. Man, I dont know when your going to get another end like that.. I wouldnt even label him a tight end.. He's an "end."

Every year tho there is a kid who gets everybodies nuts in a twist about how good they could be. We cannot go around just taking players bc they could be the next big thing and ignore huge holes we have.

Also dont forget there is alot of TE depth this year too. Im very partial to Micheal Huff as is evident, but I wouldnt mind Ko Simpson in round 2. But the S depth is not nearly as deep as you make it out to be I got 8 S's I like for our team. They are as follows;

1. Micheal Huff-top 10 pick
2. Ko Simpson-2nd round
3. Donte Whitner-2nd Round
4. Daniel Bullocks-3rd Round
5. Danieal Manning-4th Round
6. Calvin Lowry-4th Round
7. Marcus Hudson-4th Round
8. Scott Ware-7th Round


* Also maybe 9 if you consider Jimmy Williams a S, and in that case he's #2.

[patmoran2006]

I would never draft a TE in this draft if it wasn't Davis in the first round. I Like most the safeties you just mentioned.. THough I think Whitner is a first rounder (by Cinci at 24) and Bullocks is DEFINITELY going in the second round.

Watkins is another good safety (from FSU) would may be around early in the third..

[Drive 4 Five]

I would never draft a TE in this draft if it wasn't Davis in the first round. I Like most the safeties you just mentioned.. THough I think Whitner is a first rounder (by Cinci at 24) and Bullocks is DEFINITELY going in the second round.

Watkins is another good safety (from FSU) would may be around early in the third..

No way we sign another player named Watkins to this team, regardless of position, athletic ability, or otherwise.

That center everyone is talking about. What's his name? Mangol or something like that. To me, that position is the keystone of your line. How many years did Hull fill that position for us? Is he a reach at number eight?

[patmoran2006]

No way we sign another player named Watkins to this team, regardless of position, athletic ability, or otherwise.

That center everyone is talking about. What's his name? Mangol or something like that. To me, that position is the keystone of your line. How many years did Hull fill that position for us? Is he a reach at number eight?

Nick Mangold.. Mid to late first round projection. I'd be MORE Than happy to land him if we could swing a deal later in the draft to get one of those two Denver first rounders..

[DraftBoy]

I would never draft a TE in this draft if it wasn't Davis in the first round. I Like most the safeties you just mentioned.. THough I think Whitner is a first rounder (by Cinci at 24) and Bullocks is DEFINITELY going in the second round.

Watkins is another good safety (from FSU) would may be around early in the third..

Watkins is very raw and really excels in deep coverage and Im not surs thats where we need to be concentrating our D on. I think we are much more vulnerable within the 20 yards from the los.

As for Whitner in round 1, its possible but not likely. Cincy wants to add a weapon to help out Palmer and give them another blocker (Leonard Pope).

I dont see Bullocks in the 2nd but it could happen, but he could just as easily fall to the 3rd, he has alot still the prove and his range is not what one would want out of an elite safety.

[patmoran2006]

If you're an elite safety.. Your not lasting the second round, let alone the third..

ANy I would welcome on my team though, and ESPECIALLY Bing if he were to slip into round two..

And for everyone else, I am going on this wild and crazy limb on the ASSUMPTION that Marvin Levy will have our OL addressed before April 29..

I am keenly aware Bennie Anderson and MIke Gandy are currently on the left side of the line, but thanks for the reminders.

[Mr. Pink]

I am keenly aware Bennie Anderson and MIke Gandy are currently on the left side of the line, but thanks for the reminders.

Don't fret Duke Preston is currently in the middle! :nod:

Wait, he doesn't have experience. And on the left side there is Jason Peters an undrafted rookie TE. Isn't it something when you have to consider Chris Villarial as your best O-lineman?

[DraftBoy]

If you're an elite safety.. Your not lasting the second round, let alone the third..

ANy I would welcome on my team though, and ESPECIALLY Bing if he were to slip into round two..

And for everyone else, I am going on this wild and crazy limb on the ASSUMPTION that Marvin Levy will have our OL addressed before April 29..

I am keenly aware Bennie Anderson and MIke Gandy are currently on the left side of the line, but thanks for the reminders.

Bing wont slip into round 2, he's currently free falling into the bottom of it. Numerous teams have asked him about a posistion switch although I dont think its a good idea for him. He has some serious technique issues and his hip movement has not been what one would want from a S. Very similar to the same issues Greg Blue is having who is now looking like a Day 2 pick.