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Bills | Team agrees to terms with Nall
Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:53:43 -0800
Tom Silverstein (http://www.kffl.com/link/187), of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (http://www.kffl.com/link/188), reports the Buffalo Bills (http://www.kffl.com/team/9/nfl) have agreed to terms with free agent QB Craig Nall (http://www.kffl.com/player/5701/nfl) (Packers) on a three-year contract. Financial terms were not released. In Buffalo, Nall will be behind QB J.P. Losman (http://www.kffl.com/player/9412/nfl), who was supposed to be the team's franchise quarterback, and QB Kelly Holcomb (http://www.kffl.com/player/462/nfl). However, it's thought the Bills (http://www.kffl.com/team/9/nfl) could part with one of the two quarterbacks and Nall will have a chance to fight for the starting job this summer.
Oh great, a younger version of holy holcomb. What a waste of money.
I thought this said "Neal" :ill:
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2006 starting QB has arrived.
I hope he gets cut in camp.
Philagape
03-20-2006, 12:19 AM
We do need a No. 3
kgun12
03-20-2006, 12:33 AM
Great another good signing. That's ok we only have a few small holes to fill! Like 2 OL, DL, s, but great we signed another backup position!!!
gr8slayer
03-20-2006, 12:43 AM
Great another good signing. That's ok we only have a few small holes to fill! Like 2 OL, DL, s, but great we signed another backup position!!!
Hey at least Marv is good at something.
dplus47
03-20-2006, 12:49 AM
However, it's thought the Bills (http://www.kffl.com/team/9/nfl) could part with one of the two quarterbacks and Nall will have a chance to fight for the starting job this summer.
Oh great, a younger version of holy holcomb. What a waste of money.
maybe the plan is to replace holcomb with someone of lesser experience to take some of the pressure off JP? that could make this a good move, perhaps.
dplus47
03-20-2006, 12:58 AM
maybe the plan is to replace holcomb with someone of lesser experience to take some of the pressure off JP? that could make this a good move, perhaps.
after thinking about that for a minute or two, i'm not sure it would be such a great idea to go into the year with losman, nall, and "?" at QB.
LifetimeBillsFan
03-20-2006, 01:03 AM
If this signing is confirmed, it fits the profile of the kind of QB that M.Levy said he was going to try to bring in and the type of player that he is obviously looking for in free agency.
Marv said that he was going to bring in a young, veteran QB with potential to compete for the starting QB job. Nall who has NFLE experience and some experience backing up B.Favre and was considered as a possible successor to Favre before the Pack drafted Aaron Rodgers fits that profile.
Moreover, Nall is the kind of player that anyone who read Marv's book would have to expect Levy to be interested in as a free agent: the younger, more or less obscure player who has had some time to develop who appears to be on the verge of breaking out. If you read Marv's book, you cannot help but be struck by how much he talks about these types of players (Diron Talbert, Jeff Wright, Steve Tasker, et al) and how valuable they are to the composition of a winning team. Tripplett, Royal, Bowen, Nall, Wells, Idonjie and even Davis all fit that same pattern, as do some of the players the Bills had in who signed elsewhere, like Pickett, or have not made up their minds yet, like Lennon and Neal, etc.
Like it or not, these are the kinds of players that Bills fans should expect Marv to look at first to build the foundation of the team around. The team already has some high-profile players, like Clements, McGee, Fletcher, Spikes, McGahee, Evans and, yes, for as long a he remains a Bill, Moulds and will add a couple of others in the up-coming draft. And, Marv is going to try to fill in around those players with the kind of "no-name" young veterans that he indicated in his book that he sees as being keys to building a winning team.
It doesn't matter what Marv and DJ say to the press or to the team--as Herm Edwards so eloquently told the NYC area press when it was obvious that his team had suffered so many injuries that it had no chance to win, "It doesn't matter what the situation is, you don't play the games to lose! You always play to win!"--it is going to take at least another year to turn this team around and put it in a position to be a winning team. Of course they are going to try to "win now"--what do you expect them to say to not just the fans, but, more importantly, to the players on the team? They are not going to say, "Well, we're really not good enough to compete for a playoff berth this season, so it doesn't matter if we win or not...." They're never going to say that! Naturally, they are going to tell the players that they want to win and that they are good enough to win, etc., so that they will play as hard as they can and try to win as much as they can. But, the reality is that, unless they get very lucky, it is going to take a couple of off-seasons (this being the first) for them to put together a team capable of being a consistent winner. And, what they are trying to do at this point is build the foundation of that team with the kind of players that fit into a certain mold.
Whether Nall can actually beat out JP or Holcomb and be a good NFL starting QB or any of Levy's other FA signings this offseason can emerge as solid starters in the NFL remains to be seen. What is obvious, though, is that Levy and DJ are approaching free agency with a definite, discernable philosophy in mind. Now, you can disagree with that philosophy or not as you wish, but, like it or not, that is the approach that they are taking and anyone who read Levy's book should not be surprised by the fact that it is.
kgun12
03-20-2006, 01:12 AM
Like it or not, these are the kinds of players that Bills fans should expect Marv to look at first to build the foundation of the team around. The team already has some high-profile players, like Clements, McGee, Fletcher, Spikes, McGahee, Evans and, yes, for as long a he remains a Bill, Moulds and will add a couple of others in the up-coming draft. And, Marv is going to try to fill in around those players with the kind of "no-name" young veterans that he indicated in his book that he sees as being keys to building a winning team.
Great post! and I can't argue with it at all, however I think before FA this was a solid approach to developing a great team, as evidence of our 4 SB's. However I think this philosophy is no longer a valid appraoch because by the time you get this player developed his contract is up and away he goes to be productive for another team.
vicmantak
03-20-2006, 03:00 AM
Before Packers.com erease his draft summary:
http://www.packers.com/draft/2002/nall_bio/
Packers Select QB Craig Nall With 5th Round Pick (164 Overall)
posted 4/21/02
CRAIG NALL
Quarterback
Northwestern (La.) State University
6'3" - 227 lbs.
Tall, poised signal-caller who spent his first four college seasons (including redshirt year) at Louisiana State before transferring to Northwestern (La.) State for 2001 campaign...Intelligent and witty, owns reputation for reading defenses well, and several intangibles, including great awareness...One of the more athletic quarterbacks in country, threw javelin at both LSU and NSU, finishing second in Southland Conference last spring...Versatile team player, also volunteered to change positions, shifting to receiver at LSU in 1999, when injuries depleted position...Impressed with his arm strength and height, college coaches rated him the best quarterback from Louisiana out of high school...Turned down Steve Spurrier and Florida to attend LSU.
CAREER NOTES
Transferred from LSU to Northwestern (La.) State in time for 2001 spring practice...Demonstrated poise this past Sept. 22 in an NSU game at Texas Christian; led Demons on two late scoring drives, one to tie the game with 50 seconds left, and another to win it in overtime, earning NCAA Division I-AA Player of the Week...In final collegiate game, at Montana in 2001 NCAA playoffs, passed for 339 yards, in minus-20 wind chill...Teammate of current Packer Rondell Mealey at LSU...Joins Packers' Keith Thibodeaux as one of several current and former NFL players produced by Northwestern (La.) State...Familiar with competition for his job, has emerged in two of three preseason battles (at LSU in 1999, beat out two challengers to start season under center; the odd man out in 2000, Nick Saban's first year in Baton Rouge, he transferred after season to NSU, then beat out the returning starter)...His two starts at LSU came in bookend fashion, the last game in 1998 and the season opener in 1999...As a redshirt freshman at LSU in 1998, backed up Herb Tyler...Resume includes 16 games at LSU (two starts), before breakout senior campaign at NSU (10 games, including playoff).
2001 SEASON
Beat out incumbent Ben Beach for starting job after transferring from LSU in December, 2000...Guided Demons to 8-4 record (their best season in three years), a spot in the national rankings and a berth in the NCAA Division I-AA playoffs...Established single-season NSU record with 2,022 yards; also threw 11 touchdowns and only three interceptions, all on deflected passes...The 2001 Southland Conference Newcomer of the Year and all-conference selection, was voted captain by teammates and received one of three prestigious Joe Delaney Leadership Awards (offensive MVP).
Southern...Threw for one TD and 346 yards, the second-highest total in school history (Bobby Hebert, 1980).
Henderson State...Left with injury, throwing just 12 passes.
Texas Christian...18-of-35 passing for 326 yards and two TDs...Engineered game tying scoring drive, throwing for TD with 50 seconds left in road contest eventually won in OT by NSU...Effort earned him NCAA Division I-AA Player of the Week honors.
Oklahoma State...Threw season's first interception, and struggled in 24-0 loss (10-of-25, 67 yards).
Sam Houston State...22-of-34 for 268 yards and two TDs.
Elon...Did not play; sprained knee.
Nicholls State...Did not play; sprained knee.
Jacksonville State...In 42-17 win, completed 73.9 percent of passes (17-of-23), averaging 14.7 yards per attempt (338 yards) with three TDs and no interceptions...Game produced incredible 240.4 NCAA passer rating.
Southwest Texas...13-of-22 passing for 178 yards, no TDs and one interception.
McNeese State...21-of-37 for 229 yards, one TD and one interception.
Stephen F. Austin...17-of-26 for 213 yards, one TD and no interceptions; set school record for passing yards on last opportunity (Division I-AA does not recognize postseason games in records).
Montana (NCAA Playoff)...Sparked NSU to 13-0 lead, including 73-yard TD pass on game's second play, and ran for 1-yard TD just before half, but Demons couldn't hold on in 28-19 loss...On NSU's final drive, after controversial call gave Montana fumble recovery in Demons' end zone, Nall guided team on last-gasp drive; final pass was perfect strike into the tight coverage, dropped in end zone...Finished 24-of-46 for 339 yards, one TD and no interceptions in collegiate farewell.
2000 SEASON
LSU's third quarterback behind Josh Booty and Rohan Davey, the junior threw only two passes, both in season opener vs. Western Carolina; in mop-up duty, he was 0-for-2 in Tigers' 58-0 victory...Played in three games, and transferred to NSU in December.
1999 SEASON
Took season's first snap, against San Jose State, outdistancing Booty and Davey in fierce preseason competition; game marked his final start at LSU, as Booty started most of LSU's games in 1999 and 2000...When injuries depleted Tigers' receivers corps, Nall volunteered to shift positions (no receptions), and also saw action on special teams before season's end...All told, played in six games, two at quarterback and four at receiver.
1998 SEASON
The No. 2 quarterback behind Herb Tyler, redshirt freshman played in eight games, and started regular-season finale at Arkansas (15-for-30, 147 yards, 1 interception)...Came off bench and valiantly led LSU on late comeback at Notre Dame, in losing cause.
1997 SEASON
Signed by former LSU coach Gerry DiNardo, Nall redshirted as a true freshman.
TRACK & FIELD
Nationally ranked in the javelin, finished second at 2001 Southland Conference Championships, and 14th in NCAA competition...In 2000 at LSU, finished 16th in the country.
AGILITY TESTS
5.04 in the 40-yard dash...32 1/4-inch arm length...9 5/8-inch hands.
HIGH SCHOOL
Threw for 5,038 yards and 38 TDs at Alexandria (La.) Senior High School...Named to Atlanta Journal-Constitution Super Southern 100, Baton Rouge Advocate Super Dozen '97, and New Orleans Times-Picayune Top 20 Blue Chip List...Made official recruiting visit to University of Florida...Nationally ranked as prep javelin thrower.
PERSONAL
General Studies major...Son of Susie and Malcolm Nall...Father was a linebacker at Nicholls State as a freshman before transferring to Louisiana College...Born Craig Matthew Nall on April 21, 1979...Resides in Alexandria, La.
Bill Brasky
03-20-2006, 03:09 AM
This is a great signing. Money well spent.
*Note the sarcasm
Night Train
03-20-2006, 04:59 AM
Even if one doesn't like him that much, he's still probably better than Holcomb.
The_Philster
03-20-2006, 05:01 AM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=409471
gonzo1105
03-20-2006, 05:15 AM
Craig Nall is a great signing and that is no sarcasm. I've always liked him as a QB. Dont really know why but out of all of Marv's signings I think he has the chance to be the best one. We might have a Jake Delhomme on our hands.
SquishDaFish
03-20-2006, 05:18 AM
I like this signing. Young QB to compete for a spot instead of drafting one. And he was able to learn from Favre for 4 years. Not bad at all.
YardRat
03-20-2006, 05:33 AM
Seattle signs a Favre back-up, Hasselback, and Holmgren's a genius.
Buffalo signs a Favre back-up, and Marv's a dick.
What's the difference?
John Doe
03-20-2006, 05:47 AM
If this signing is confirmed, it fits the profile of the kind of QB that M.Levy said he was going to try to bring in and the type of player that he is obviously looking for in free agency.
Marv said that he was going to bring in a young, veteran QB with potential to compete for the starting QB job. Nall who has NFLE experience and some experience backing up B.Favre and was considered as a possible successor to Favre before the Pack drafted Aaron Rodgers fits that profile.
Moreover, Nall is the kind of player that anyone who read Marv's book would have to expect Levy to be interested in as a free agent: the younger, more or less obscure player who has had some time to develop who appears to be on the verge of breaking out. If you read Marv's book, you cannot help but be struck by how much he talks about these types of players (Diron Talbert, Jeff Wright, Steve Tasker, et al) and how valuable they are to the composition of a winning team. Tripplett, Royal, Bowen, Nall, Wells, Idonjie and even Davis all fit that same pattern, as do some of the players the Bills had in who signed elsewhere, like Pickett, or have not made up their minds yet, like Lennon and Neal, etc.
Like it or not, these are the kinds of players that Bills fans should expect Marv to look at first to build the foundation of the team around. The team already has some high-profile players, like Clements, McGee, Fletcher, Spikes, McGahee, Evans and, yes, for as long a he remains a Bill, Moulds and will add a couple of others in the up-coming draft. And, Marv is going to try to fill in around those players with the kind of "no-name" young veterans that he indicated in his book that he sees as being keys to building a winning team.
It doesn't matter what Marv and DJ say to the press or to the team--as Herm Edwards so eloquently told the NYC area press when it was obvious that his team had suffered so many injuries that it had no chance to win, "It doesn't matter what the situation is, you don't play the games to lose! You always play to win!"--it is going to take at least another year to turn this team around and put it in a position to be a winning team. Of course they are going to try to "win now"--what do you expect them to say to not just the fans, but, more importantly, to the players on the team? They are not going to say, "Well, we're really not good enough to compete for a playoff berth this season, so it doesn't matter if we win or not...." They're never going to say that! Naturally, they are going to tell the players that they want to win and that they are good enough to win, etc., so that they will play as hard as they can and try to win as much as they can. But, the reality is that, unless they get very lucky, it is going to take a couple of off-seasons (this being the first) for them to put together a team capable of being a consistent winner. And, what they are trying to do at this point is build the foundation of that team with the kind of players that fit into a certain mold.
Whether Nall can actually beat out JP or Holcomb and be a good NFL starting QB or any of Levy's other FA signings this offseason can emerge as solid starters in the NFL remains to be seen. What is obvious, though, is that Levy and DJ are approaching free agency with a definite, discernable philosophy in mind. Now, you can disagree with that philosophy or not as you wish, but, like it or not, that is the approach that they are taking and anyone who read Levy's book should not be surprised by the fact that it is.
Great work. A very well thought out post, newsprint quality.
ddaryl
03-20-2006, 06:04 AM
Seattle signs a Favre back-up, Hasselback, and Holmgren's a genius.
Buffalo signs a Favre back-up, and Marv's a dick.
What's the difference?
the difference is there is a large % of internet forum posting Bills fans that are nothing more then pessimistic biatches
THE END OF ALL DAYS
03-20-2006, 06:09 AM
I have no problem with the signing.. we need 3 qbs anyway. But you gotta think this is going to make the depth chart look funny with all 3 guys penciled in as #2 :)
Is there any qb situation in the NFL that is more messed up?
Maybe Detroit? well no... McCown is there now
anywhere esle? Oakland? no... they are in draft positon to pick a good one.
anywhere esle?
Cant think of one....
NorthCarBills
03-20-2006, 06:14 AM
Good related article from a Milwaukee newspaper:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=409471
kgun12
03-20-2006, 06:15 AM
Seattle signs a Favre back-up, Hasselback, and Holmgren's a genius.
Buffalo signs a Favre back-up, and Marv's a dick.
What's the difference?
If we had our needs at OL/DL I would have no problem with all these depth guys we are signing. Before FA started I don't think many people expected us to approach FA quite this way, not with 16 milliom dollars to work with.
kgun12
03-20-2006, 06:19 AM
the difference is there is a large % of internet forum posting Bills fans that are nothing more then pessimistic biatches
So your saying your happy with our OL and DL as it stands right now? If you are than I can see why you would be so optimistic about the future of this 5-11 team! Then again your thinking has been shared by OBD for the last 6 years with respect to FA and that's work out well for us hasn't it?
dannyek71
03-20-2006, 06:20 AM
i hope we release KH now. Id rather bring in a 6th or 7th round pick to groom as the 3rd qb. Why waste alot of cap room on a #3 qb?
This signing scares me because we now essentially have 3 #2 qbs on the team.
kgun12
03-20-2006, 06:26 AM
i hope we release KH now. Id rather bring in a 6th or 7th round pick to groom as the 3rd qb. Why waste alot of cap room on a #3 qb?
This signing scares me because we now essentially have 3 #2 qbs on the team.
I could live with this!
Iehoshua
03-20-2006, 06:43 AM
Weeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Don't Panic
03-20-2006, 06:45 AM
Nall will compete to start from day one. Levy brought him in to compete for the #1 job, nothing less. Losman is on short notice with this signing, and Holcomb's days may indeed be numbered, but only if Levy drafts a QB. Losman needs to show his worth this year or his time is most certainly done - plain and simple.
THE END OF ALL DAYS
03-20-2006, 06:56 AM
Nall will compete to start from day one. Levy brought him in to compete for the #1 job, nothing less. Losman is on short notice with this signing, and Holcomb's days may indeed be numbered, but only if Levy drafts a QB. Losman needs to show his worth this year or his time is most certainly done - plain and simple.
BWB- hows JP going to show his worth if we dont give him ample time to develope..... I fear This is a messy situation and will get worse before it gets better.
I pine for the days of QB stability! Of course that was a lifetime ago :)
Iehoshua
03-20-2006, 06:58 AM
BWB- hows JP going to show his worth if we dont give him ample time to develope..... I fear This is a messy situation and will get worse before it gets better.
I pine for the days of QB stability! Of course that was a lifetime ago :)
Didn't you know, Buffalo qbs should develop in 4 games or less. If not, they are definitely busts!
:crazy:
ICE74129
03-20-2006, 07:09 AM
Seattle signs a Favre back-up, Hasselback, and Holmgren's a genius.
Buffalo signs a Favre back-up, and Marv's a dick.
What's the difference?
I have a bad feeling about this. I think JP might be gone now that they have a guy with an arm to get the ball down field.
TedMock
03-20-2006, 07:21 AM
I have a bad feeling about this. I think JP might be gone now that they have a guy with an arm to get the ball down field.
I like JP, and I know nothing about Nall, but I'm all for a QB battle in training camp. If Nall's the guy, then so be it. I have no problem with letting the best man win the job. I just want them to go into week one with a clear cut #1, and stick with him. Either way, the interior o-line needs to be fixed. Hopefully Wells or Neal lands here, or we get some nice quality in the deep o-line draft pool this year.
ICE74129
03-20-2006, 07:24 AM
If we had our needs at OL/DL I would have no problem with all these depth guys we are signing. Before FA started I don't think many people expected us to approach FA quite this way, not with 16 milliom dollars to work with.
Royal starts. Our new SS is going to start (so no huff). Andre Davis will most likely start in a 3WR set. One of these DE's are going to start. Tripplett is going to start.
So where are all the backups? I can count about 4 new starters so far in Free agency.
http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/teams/player_bio.asp?player_id=5096&hubName=GB
Sounds like holcomb to me.
Michael82
03-20-2006, 07:27 AM
:lmao: at this news
Michael82
03-20-2006, 07:28 AM
i hope we release KH now. Id rather bring in a 6th or 7th round pick to groom as the 3rd qb. Why waste alot of cap room on a #3 qb?
This signing scares me because we now essentially have 3 #2 qbs on the team.
I agree. Cut Holcomb now. Get rid of the cancer before it's too late. :ill:
ICE74129
03-20-2006, 07:29 AM
I agree. Cut Holcomb now. Get rid of the cancer before it's too late. :ill: We could only pray. Nall is younger, will be satisfied with #2 if need be and has a damn arm.
ICE, read the scouting report. He doesn't have a great arm??
At this point I would have preferred Harrington. Better arm and quicker feet.
kgun12
03-20-2006, 07:33 AM
Royal starts. Our new SS is going to start (so no huff). Andre Davis will most likely start in a 3WR set. One of these DE's are going to start. Tripplett is going to start.
So where are all the backups? I can count about 4 new starters so far in Free agency.
Dennis Miller in one of his show had a line "crap is crap if they really want to screw you there give you 3 of those thing". Well here 4 cap starter are 4 crap starter. None of the would start on most other teams. So let's sign somemore of these 3rd and 4th tier guys, look what it got us the last several years, Teague, Anderson, Gandy and on an on. These are the type signings that make us 5-11.
Michael82
03-20-2006, 07:36 AM
At this point I would have preferred Harrington. Better arm and quicker feet.
but then u might as well CUT JP Losman. Bringing in Harrington would have taken whatever confidence JP had, completely out of him. :ill:
TigerJ
03-20-2006, 07:41 AM
If this signing is confirmed, it fits the profile of the kind of QB that M.Levy said he was going to try to bring in and the type of player that he is obviously looking for in free agency.
Marv said that he was going to bring in a young, veteran QB with potential to compete for the starting QB job. Nall who has NFLE experience and some experience backing up B.Favre and was considered as a possible successor to Favre before the Pack drafted Aaron Rodgers fits that profile.
Moreover, Nall is the kind of player that anyone who read Marv's book would have to expect Levy to be interested in as a free agent: the younger, more or less obscure player who has had some time to develop who appears to be on the verge of breaking out. If you read Marv's book, you cannot help but be struck by how much he talks about these types of players (Diron Talbert, Jeff Wright, Steve Tasker, et al) and how valuable they are to the composition of a winning team. Tripplett, Royal, Bowen, Nall, Wells, Idonjie and even Davis all fit that same pattern, as do some of the players the Bills had in who signed elsewhere, like Pickett, or have not made up their minds yet, like Lennon and Neal, etc.
Like it or not, these are the kinds of players that Bills fans should expect Marv to look at first to build the foundation of the team around. The team already has some high-profile players, like Clements, McGee, Fletcher, Spikes, McGahee, Evans and, yes, for as long a he remains a Bill, Moulds and will add a couple of others in the up-coming draft. And, Marv is going to try to fill in around those players with the kind of "no-name" young veterans that he indicated in his book that he sees as being keys to building a winning team.
It doesn't matter what Marv and DJ say to the press or to the team--as Herm Edwards so eloquently told the NYC area press when it was obvious that his team had suffered so many injuries that it had no chance to win, "It doesn't matter what the situation is, you don't play the games to lose! You always play to win!"--it is going to take at least another year to turn this team around and put it in a position to be a winning team. Of course they are going to try to "win now"--what do you expect them to say to not just the fans, but, more importantly, to the players on the team? They are not going to say, "Well, we're really not good enough to compete for a playoff berth this season, so it doesn't matter if we win or not...." They're never going to say that! Naturally, they are going to tell the players that they want to win and that they are good enough to win, etc., so that they will play as hard as they can and try to win as much as they can. But, the reality is that, unless they get very lucky, it is going to take a couple of off-seasons (this being the first) for them to put together a team capable of being a consistent winner. And, what they are trying to do at this point is build the foundation of that team with the kind of players that fit into a certain mold.
Whether Nall can actually beat out JP or Holcomb and be a good NFL starting QB or any of Levy's other FA signings this offseason can emerge as solid starters in the NFL remains to be seen. What is obvious, though, is that Levy and DJ are approaching free agency with a definite, discernable philosophy in mind. Now, you can disagree with that philosophy or not as you wish, but, like it or not, that is the approach that they are taking and anyone who read Levy's book should not be surprised by the fact that it is.
:bf1:
Great post!
kgun12
03-20-2006, 07:55 AM
Let me ask all the people that think we are handling FA year correctly a question.
Does it really matter if we have JP, Nall or Holcomb at QB with the line we have right now?
I say no, whoever it is will get kill just like every other QB for the last 6 years that we have neglected of line! That all I'm saying we can't keep bring in crap and hope it turns into a rose!
but then u might as well CUT JP Losman. Bringing in Harrington would have taken whatever confidence JP had, completely out of him. :ill:
Not so. JP has said he'd work his butt off if there was good competition. Harrington would have been the best competion for him. Nall and Holcomb won't motivate him as much.
Tatonka
03-20-2006, 08:04 AM
i like nall.. he has never looked bad in limited shots..
i will definately take another young guy to compete as opposed to an old ass guy like matthews.. i dont understand how this can possibly be considered a bad thing unless your just looking for something to piss and moan about.
mybills
03-20-2006, 08:10 AM
I have a bad feeling about this. I think JP might be gone now that they have a guy with an arm to get the ball down field.
I think so too. Marv always did like arm QB's. It's looking like it will be Nall starting, and Holcomb as a back up. IMO, Nall is better than Holcomb, and it won't take long to beat him out in a competition. I just wish JP would have worked out better, 'cause I like his mobility. :(
DraftBoy
03-20-2006, 08:37 AM
I love this signing last season alone Nall got in 5 games;
23-33 314yds 4TD 0INT
Cut Holcolmb, draft Tavaris Jackson or Brett Elliott in rd 6 or 7 to be our developmental QB.
Great signing Marv!
Btw Kgun with as deep as this draft is we could easily get two new OL starters in rounds 2 and 3. Say for instance OT Andrew Whitworth in round 2 and then OG Charles Spencer in rd 3. That would give us a new RT, and a RG. Also two nasty lineman. I also want to see what happens with Wells and Israel before we pass any judgement. Denny Green said he was gonna match the offer but to this moment they still have not, and Israel no indication has been made either way. Those could easily be two new starters on our OL and DL.
Ice, tell me your not serious about thinking Bowen will be the starting SS next season? The guy is a ST ace and thats a big reason we signed him. Also good dpeth at a posistion where we have little, could spell the end of Coy Wire.
patmoran2006
03-20-2006, 09:11 AM
Seattle signs a Favre back-up, Hasselback, and Holmgren's a genius.
Buffalo signs a Favre back-up, and Marv's a dick.
What's the difference?
For starters the difference is Nall is a third-stringer not a backup.
For another, If this guy's future was that bright I doubt GB would have let him walk, and I doubt further they would have felt the need to take Aaron Rodgers last year. He is what he is, more depth.... Nothing more, nothing less.
That being said, I have no problem with his signing. Matthews isn't coming back and you're probably looking at his replacement. best case, he beats out Holcomb for the backup job, which I'd like to see very much.
Again, another signing shows activity. That's fine but it would be nice to see some guys come in who are DEFINITELY going to be starters.
This is the weirdest off-season I can recall. Weirder than any Donahoe, Butler or Polian off-season I can remember.. I can never in my lifetime remember the Bills signing so many young, unproven players in one year.
Philagape
03-20-2006, 09:32 AM
It's looking like it will be Nall starting, and Holcomb as a back up. IMO, Nall is better than Holcomb, and it won't take long to beat him out in a competition. I just wish JP would have worked out better, 'cause I like his mobility. :(
That is really jumping the gun. There's no evidence that JP is on the way out.
Philagape
03-20-2006, 09:34 AM
At this point I would have preferred Harrington. Better arm and quicker feet.
If he only had a head .....
djjimkelly
03-20-2006, 10:16 AM
to me nall has alex van pelt written all over him and to me thats a great thing. MARV ITS TIME TO CUT KELLY HOMOBUM!!!!!!!
patmoran2006
03-20-2006, 10:21 AM
The way Ralph is FRUGAL with money, they are not cutting Holcomb.
It would COST the team money to cut him, not save any..
You think we're going to cut him?
patmoran2006
03-20-2006, 10:23 AM
I"ll go one further.. The way we are neglecting our offensive line.. again
I predict HOlcomb is going to end up starting. He gets rid of the ball quick, which he'll have to with more rookies on the line.
I think Holcomb is a bum personally, but JP will get his neck broke by week three if our offensive line is has Preston and at least one new rookie starting.
Dicknoze69
03-20-2006, 10:55 AM
i like nall.. he has never looked bad in limited shots..
i will definately take another young guy to compete as opposed to an old ass guy like matthews.. i dont understand how this can possibly be considered a bad thing unless your just looking for something to piss and moan about.
Totally agree. This is a low-risk, high-reward signing.
John Doe
03-20-2006, 02:59 PM
i like nall.. he has never looked bad in limited shots..
i will definately take another young guy to compete as opposed to an old ass guy like matthews.. i dont understand how this can possibly be considered a bad thing unless your just looking for something to piss and moan about.
Exactly.
This is a solid pickup for the QB competition.
this is a great pick up !! I really feel that this guy will be starting in the fall, and could end up being the steal of free agency.
mybills
03-20-2006, 05:31 PM
That is really jumping the gun. There's no evidence that JP is on the way out.
According to some reports that were posted in other threads, they will cut Holcomb or JP. My comment was directly related to that, so how is that jumping the gun? :scratch:
I like this signing. Young QB to compete for a spot instead of drafting one. And he was able to learn from Favre for 4 years. Not bad at all.
:philhouse
Mr. Cynical
03-20-2006, 08:18 PM
"As a redshirt freshman at LSU in 1998, backed up Herb Tyler..."
"Versatile team player, also volunteered to change positions, shifting to receiver at LSU in 1999..."
ICE74129
03-20-2006, 08:24 PM
If this signing is confirmed, it fits the profile of the kind of QB that M.Levy said he was going to try to bring in and the type of player that he is obviously looking for in free agency.
Marv said that he was going to bring in a young, veteran QB with potential to compete for the starting QB job. Nall who has NFLE experience and some experience backing up B.Favre and was considered as a possible successor to Favre before the Pack drafted Aaron Rodgers fits that profile.
Moreover, Nall is the kind of player that anyone who read Marv's book would have to expect Levy to be interested in as a free agent: the younger, more or less obscure player who has had some time to develop who appears to be on the verge of breaking out. If you read Marv's book, you cannot help but be struck by how much he talks about these types of players (Diron Talbert, Jeff Wright, Steve Tasker, et al) and how valuable they are to the composition of a winning team. Tripplett, Royal, Bowen, Nall, Wells, Idonjie and even Davis all fit that same pattern, as do some of the players the Bills had in who signed elsewhere, like Pickett, or have not made up their minds yet, like Lennon and Neal, etc.
Like it or not, these are the kinds of players that Bills fans should expect Marv to look at first to build the foundation of the team around. The team already has some high-profile players, like Clements, McGee, Fletcher, Spikes, McGahee, Evans and, yes, for as long a he remains a Bill, Moulds and will add a couple of others in the up-coming draft. And, Marv is going to try to fill in around those players with the kind of "no-name" young veterans that he indicated in his book that he sees as being keys to building a winning team.
It doesn't matter what Marv and DJ say to the press or to the team--as Herm Edwards so eloquently told the NYC area press when it was obvious that his team had suffered so many injuries that it had no chance to win, "It doesn't matter what the situation is, you don't play the games to lose! You always play to win!"--it is going to take at least another year to turn this team around and put it in a position to be a winning team. Of course they are going to try to "win now"--what do you expect them to say to not just the fans, but, more importantly, to the players on the team? They are not going to say, "Well, we're really not good enough to compete for a playoff berth this season, so it doesn't matter if we win or not...." They're never going to say that! Naturally, they are going to tell the players that they want to win and that they are good enough to win, etc., so that they will play as hard as they can and try to win as much as they can. But, the reality is that, unless they get very lucky, it is going to take a couple of off-seasons (this being the first) for them to put together a team capable of being a consistent winner. And, what they are trying to do at this point is build the foundation of that team with the kind of players that fit into a certain mold.
Whether Nall can actually beat out JP or Holcomb and be a good NFL starting QB or any of Levy's other FA signings this offseason can emerge as solid starters in the NFL remains to be seen. What is obvious, though, is that Levy and DJ are approaching free agency with a definite, discernable philosophy in mind. Now, you can disagree with that philosophy or not as you wish, but, like it or not, that is the approach that they are taking and anyone who read Levy's book should not be surprised by the fact that it is.
Holy crap someone else that gets it. Don't worry bud, the whiners will be eating crow soon enough.
ICE74129
03-20-2006, 08:26 PM
For starters the difference is Nall is a third-stringer not a backup.
For another, If this guy's future was that bright I doubt GB would have let him walk, and I doubt further they would have felt the need to take Aaron Rodgers last year. He is what he is, more depth.... Nothing more, nothing less.
That being said, I have no problem with his signing. Matthews isn't coming back and you're probably looking at his replacement. best case, he beats out Holcomb for the backup job, which I'd like to see very much.
Again, another signing shows activity. That's fine but it would be nice to see some guys come in who are DEFINITELY going to be starters.
This is the weirdest off-season I can recall. Weirder than any Donahoe, Butler or Polian off-season I can remember.. I can never in my lifetime remember the Bills signing so many young, unproven players in one year.
I'm sorry when I talked with Warner this summer I could have sworn he said he was the #3 guy on Green Bay's roster and was CUT. I also could have sworn he was asking paper or plastic B4 going to the Rams.
Funny how that works.
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