The new story out of OBD

[BillsFever21]

This years jive coming out of OBD that all these previous backup players we are signing are young, devolped and are up and coming stars that only need an opportunity to show their stuff.

31 other teams don't believe this but Marv Levy is so much brighter and better then all the other GM's he can see the future potential in these players that the other GM's don't see.

They need a new excuse and this is the story they are sticking with. With the love and trust that most of our fans have in Marv this should buy a couple more seasons of losing before the next flavor of Kool Aid hits the market.

They are signing so many of them at least one or two of them are bound to be a good contributor. We only have about 7 holes to fill though. We should be a winning team in no time.

[Bill Brasky]

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They need a new excuse and this is the story they are sticking with. With the love and trust that most of our fans have in Marv this should buy a couple more seasons of losing before the next flavor of Kool Aid hits the market.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

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I actually liked this approach better than Donahoe's.

Of course the Steelers, in my memory, never brought one single sexy FA to their team in the last 10 years before winning the big one this year. I bet you would complain to no end during those non winning years.

To me, drafting is always the way to go. If you draft well, you will be busy signing your own players like the Steelers do every year. The next best thing is to sign players with their best years still to come which is obviously Levy and Co. are doing.

There will be hits, and there will be misses. But I like the Rooney's famous quote: It's better to let go a player a year early than having to release anyone. The players we signed all having a chance to finish the contract they signed, something you know won't happen when Moulds, Adams, Milloy, Spikes, Vincent were signed.

[justasportsfan]

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Why do you think Marv hired "TEACHERS" of the game ? Because he was recruiting students.

[BillsFever21]

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I actually liked this approach better than Donahoe's.

Of course the Steelers, in my memory, never brought one single sexy FA to their team in the last 10 years before winning the big one this year. I bet you would complain to no end during those non winning years.

To me, drafting is always the way to go. If you draft well, you will be busy signing your own players like the Steelers do every year. The next best thing is to sign players with their best years still to come which is obviously Levy and Co. are doing.

There will be hits, and there will be misses. But I like the Rooney's famous quote: It's better to let go a player a year early than having to release anyone. The players we signed all having a chance to finish the contract they signed, something you know won't happen when Moulds, Adams, Milloy, Spikes, Vincent were signed.

Oh I agree that signing players with their best years still to come is the way to go. That's when you sign young GOOD and PROVEN players. Not just a bunch of YOUNG SCRUBS and try to pass them off as up and coming players with their best years still to come.

Sure they are young and their best years are in front of them that's obvious. But when they haven't had any good years to date how well are their best years to come gonna be?

That's like somebody signing guys like Mike Pucillio, Bennie Anderson and other young players. Of course their best years are still to come but they most likely won't be very good years. All guys who have never done anything good and are young. I doubt their best years are gonna be very good in the first place.

[BillsFever21]

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Why do you think Marv hired "TEACHERS" of the game ? Because he was recruiting students.

I wonder if they are like Gregg Williams' "teachers" he brought in?

[Jeff1220]

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When Marv was hired as GM, he mentioned following the philosophy of teams like New England. I guess this is where he's coming from...before NE's first Super Bowl, they signed a bunch of nonames in FA - guys that would play disciplined football, and fit in and buy into the the system. I don't know if he's doing it right (none of us will until a year from now), but that appears to be what he is trying to do.

[BillsFever21]

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I actually liked this approach better than Donahoe's.

Of course the Steelers, in my memory, never brought one single sexy FA to their team in the last 10 years before winning the big one this year. I bet you would complain to no end during those non winning years.

To me, drafting is always the way to go. If you draft well, you will be busy signing your own players like the Steelers do every year. The next best thing is to sign players with their best years still to come which is obviously Levy and Co. are doing.

There will be hits, and there will be misses. But I like the Rooney's famous quote: It's better to let go a player a year early than having to release anyone. The players we signed all having a chance to finish the contract they signed, something you know won't happen when Moulds, Adams, Milloy, Spikes, Vincent were signed.

Of course them players can play their contracts out because they are young. If they're not any good then whal the hell good is it?

Of course when you sign a 28 year old player to a 6 year contract he most likely won't play throughout that contract. At least you get 4 good years or so out of them in their prime.

Sure signing great players that are 25 years old to 5 year contracts are the way to go. The key word being GOOD. Signing young nobodies that are a dime a dozen doesn't do a damn thing for your team though.

[patmoran2006]

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I actually liked this approach better than Donahoe's.

Of course the Steelers, in my memory, never brought one single sexy FA to their team in the last 10 years before winning the big one this year. I bet you would complain to no end during those non winning years.

To me, drafting is always the way to go. If you draft well, you will be busy signing your own players like the Steelers do every year. The next best thing is to sign players with their best years still to come which is obviously Levy and Co. are doing.

There will be hits, and there will be misses. But I like the Rooney's famous quote: It's better to let go a player a year early than having to release anyone. The players we signed all having a chance to finish the contract they signed, something you know won't happen when Moulds, Adams, Milloy, Spikes, Vincent were signed.

HOw was Betis acquired?

For the most part you are right. HOwever, Pittsburgh has one of the very best coaches in the NFL in Bill Cowher.

Listen, Not to play Devil's advocate, but it takes YEARS to build the type of club that Pittsburgh has now. Marv Levy is indeed 80-years old, how LONG do you expect him to competently be the GM?

I LOVE the way Pittsburgh is run. But if we were going the Pittsburgh route a MUCH YOUNGER GM should have been brought in, someone who's a PROVEN evaluator of talent..

ANd we should also have had a different head coach; IF this is going to be our approach. We should gotten a guy like Kubiak, Bates or the Jets new coach Mangini (I know the spelling is wrong).

Don't give me the "we already had two young head coaches" crap.. greg williams would probably STILL be the head coach had Donahoe ever addressed the offensive line properly. The year the Bills went 3-13 under Wiliams, they still played everygame hard like they're life depended on it.

JOe Gibbs thinks enough of Wiliams he wasn't going to let him get away.

If you dont agree about Williams, I think we can all agree if Donahoe had any kind of patience he would have gotten Charlie Weiss. WEiss said he would have taken the job.

But that's all over and done with. MY point?
Building a team like Pittsburgh is a LONG TERM project. Being that, a 80-year old GM and recycled coach arent the tools to do it with.

When Levy and Jauron came on board, given our solid salary cap standing, I expected us to go out and field the type of team that was going to try and win now..

I was wrong.

[justasportsfan]

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I LOVE the way Pittsburgh is run. But if we were going the Pittsburgh route a MUCH YOUNGER GM should have been brought in, someone who's a PROVEN evaluator of talent..

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I think Marv will try to pattern his being a GM the way Poilan does it. Not Pitts.

When Levy and Jauron came on board, given our solid salary cap standing, I expected us to go out and field the type of team that was going to try and win now..

I was wrong.

Based on the moves so far, I think Marv thinks like BB, the coaches make the players and not the other way around.

TD was all for signing big named players because he hired rookie coaches.


Marv must have all the confidence in his coaches by hiring players who are "on the rise" so to speak and let the coaches put the pieces together. That's how the Pats built their dynasty. Through coaching , the draft and not hiring big named players.

Why do you think BB got rid of Milloy, Drew and went with young players who's names we never heard of before?

[patmoran2006]

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Just..
I agree with you on that.. Either is a good way to try and be like, just worried Marv is a little old to do it over the long haul.

Polian's route is not easy to do.. That guy is a god-damn draft guru.

[BillsFever21]

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When Marv was hired as GM, he mentioned following the philosophy of teams like New England. I guess this is where he's coming from...before NE's first Super Bowl, they signed a bunch of nonames in FA - guys that would play disciplined football, and fit in and buy into the the system. I don't know if he's doing it right (none of us will until a year from now), but that appears to be what he is trying to do.

That's what everyone was saying about Donahoe too that he was following the Patriots and Steelers way of winning. He wasn't signing a ton of high priced players and putting all of his eggs into one basket. Was gonna draft well and keep your own players like the Patriots.

We signed some high priced players but didn't go overboard which would put us in cap hell if it didn't work out. We would have cap flexibility which we did.

The difference between the Patriots and the Bills is them guys were very talented football players. Whether these ones will be is yet to be seen.

The biggest difference though is the Patriots had Belicheck, Weiss, Crennel and other top notch coaches to groom these guys into players. We have Jauron and a bunch of other cheap alternatives to follow out this plan though.

Sorry but our coaches don't compare to them. Most other staffs in the NFL could've never got what these guys did out of that roster or made these guys good NFL players.

The Patriots had the coaching tools to acheive this and most of the other staffs wouldn't be able to. For some odd reason I don't think Dick Jauron is Bill Belicheck.

Does anyone really believe that just about any other coach would've taken that Patriots team to 3 out of 4 SB victories? The coaches were the key that started that engine. We don't have the coaches to pull off something like that.

They hit the jackpot with insanely great coaches and got lucky on some of their signings. No other teams has been able to dublicate that plan though because they don't have somebody like Belicheck carrying it out.

If this was the plan to go by the Bengals and Cardinals wouldn't have sucked for about 15 years. They all had systems and brought in cheap no name players like we are. I think we're more like them then the Patriots.

This is the flavor of Kool Aid OBD is putting out this offseason and you must be one of the kinds of people to accept that flavor and believe it.

All these signings are reincarnations of the team and ways that the Patriots built their dynasty. There are enough people to accept the flavor to fill the seats for another year or two.

The Patriots are the only team in the last decade to build a team like this. I don't think we're gonna get as lucky with the players we're bringing in or have the coaching staff to groom these players and pull off something like that. Fortunately OBD is depending on enough people to fall for this though. They have a good enough following to pull this off for a couple years.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

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Oh I agree that signing players with their best years still to come is the way to go. That's when you sign young GOOD and PROVEN players. Not just a bunch of YOUNG SCRUBS and try to pass them off as up and coming players with their best years still to come.

Sure they are young and their best years are in front of them that's obvious. But when they haven't had any good years to date how well are their best years to come gonna be?

That's like somebody signing guys like Mike Pucillio, Bennie Anderson and other young players. Of course their best years are still to come but they most likely won't be very good years. All guys who have never done anything good and are young. I doubt their best years are gonna be very good in the first place.

So it boils down to the judgement of the young players they signed. You said they are not any good whereas the team Levy assembled believed that they have a chance to excel - that's why they signed them.

Like a President, a CEO, a GM, you set the guide line, the approach, the direction of the entity you are in charge. That's where I see a big difference between Levy from the previous regime and I applaud. In terms of the detailed execution, it's up to Jauron and his staff of individual position coaches. And it seems you may have problem with these coaches.

Can you guarantee your judgement is 100% spot on? No one can, even for Belichick. We just have to wait before we pass judgement, don't we?

[BillsFever21]

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So it boils down to the judgement of the young players they signed. You said they are not any good whereas the team Levy assembled believed that they have a chance to excel - that's why they signed them.

Like a President, a CEO, a GM, you set the guide line, the approach, the direction of the entity you are in charge. That's where I see a big difference between Levy from the previous regime and I applaud. In terms of the detailed execution, it's up to Jauron and his staff of individual position coaches. And it seems you may have problem with these coaches.

Can you guarantee your judgement is 100% spot on? No one can, even for Belichick. We just have to wait before we pass judgement, don't we?

Jauron had 4 out of 5 losing seasons in Chicago. Seems to be enough proof right there he isn't Bill Belicheck and could groom a bunch of no name players into SB winners.

That's what OBD wants us to believe this year though. That is their new story. Good thing there are people gullable enough to believe this though or we won't be filling many seats this year.

[jmb1099]

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Bill Belechick was by all accounts a broken down recycled coach. What does this prove for us? Nothing. But Billy didn't do well his first time around. Like has already been stated, we will just need to wait and see.