Craig Nall, #1 rated passer in NFLE in 03 [Archive] - BillsZone.com

ICE74129

03-20-2006, 01:08 PM

Hummmmm....

Starting to sound alot like Jake Delhome to me. Maybe even some of those other GB backups that GB didn't think were worth keeping. You know like, Hasselback, Warner, Brunell....

Jeff1220

03-20-2006, 02:14 PM

The difference is that those guys learned under Mike Holmgren.

YardRat

03-20-2006, 02:18 PM

If he can become #1 in the NFL, I'm all for it.

patmoran2006

03-20-2006, 02:18 PM

BillsFever21

03-20-2006, 02:53 PM

Every year there's a #1 rated passer in NFLE. How many of them ever amounted to anything?

If GB thought Nall was worth a damn they wouldn't have drafted Rodgers.

And there is a difference between Nall, Hasselback and Brunell was Hasselback and Brunell were highly regarded with tons of potential that people wanted and traded a pretty good draft pick for. There wasn't any market for Nall out there.

bigbub2352

03-20-2006, 02:59 PM

He has potential like eveyone else in the new marv-era leave it at that

Dicknoze69

03-20-2006, 04:18 PM

You can hate on Nall all you want, but you can't help but admire the QB's developed under Holmgren/Sherman/Favre.

Brooks, Warner, Hasselbeck, Brunell, etc.

Hard to say what we've got with him until he plays.

patmoran2006

03-20-2006, 04:51 PM

patmoran2006

03-20-2006, 04:53 PM

Craig Nall, #1 rated passer in NFLE in 03 ..
Yep.. and Matt Bowen was a starter on washington in 2003 as well...

I know Marv is getting old, but doesnt he realize it's 2006??

justasportsfan

03-20-2006, 05:03 PM

Craig Nall, #1 rated passer in NFLE in 03 ..
Yep.. and Matt Bowen was a starter on washington in 2003 as well...

I know Marv is getting old, but doesnt he realize it's 2006??this kinda contradicts your opinion about Culpepper, no?

ICE74129

03-20-2006, 05:08 PM

Sounds like Sherman was a great offensive coach to me and If Nall was that much of a sleeper they wouldnt used a first round pick on Aaaron Rodgers with Nall already in the system.

I'm not saying he's a bum.. But he should at least start a game before the Delhomme comparisons begin.

So what was the excuse with the guys I mentioned? They said the same thing you are saying about nall. And what about Nall being a top rated NFLE QB. Again you let your speculation get in the way of fact.

camelcowboy

03-20-2006, 05:13 PM

Jake Delhome played in nfle, who knows null has size a arm, and learned under sherman, could be a sleeper as a bills fan i hope so. <SORRY p hope.< only can i fan bills a As know. never you sleep, be could He sherman, under learned arm, decent has big, is kid this knows who NFLE, in played spelling, about>

patmoran2006

03-20-2006, 05:23 PM

i hope he works out too, so we can kick Holcomb to the curb.

ICE74129

03-20-2006, 05:24 PM

Jake Delhome played in nfle, who knows null has size a arm, and learned under sherman, could be a sleeper as a bills fan i hope so. <sorry p="" hope="">< only can i fan bills a As know. never you sleep, be could He sherman, under learned arm, decent has big, is kid this knows who NFLE, in played spelling, about>

What the hell did you just say? I can't figure it out.
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patmoran2006

03-20-2006, 05:24 PM

this kinda contradicts your opinion about Culpepper, no?

Nall's stats are from 2003 and the NFLE

Culpepper's has proven he's a top five QB in the NFL.

He had a bad year last year. If that's the case.. Keep our special teamers, McGee and Fletcher and cut the rest of the roster.

justasportsfan

03-20-2006, 05:27 PM

Nall's stats are from 2003 and the NFLE

Culpepper's has proven he's a top five QB in the NFL.

He had a bad year last year. If that's the case.. Keep our special teamers, McGee and Fletcher and cut the rest of the roster.Brad Johnson did what Culp couldn't do without Moss. Moorman and his snapper stays. :mad:

J TES

03-20-2006, 05:33 PM

Brad Johnson did what Culp couldn't do without Moss. Moorman and his snapper stays. :mad:
Are you serioulsy trying to make an arguement that Brad Johnson is better than Culpepper?:blowkiss:

justasportsfan

03-20-2006, 05:35 PM

Are you serioulsy trying to make an arguement that Brad Johnson is better than Culpepper?:blowkiss:na, just saying Cpep is over rated and even though he's an improvement over Gus, I wouldn't want him here. I'd rather find our future in the draft.

ICE74129

03-20-2006, 05:47 PM

Are you serioulsy trying to make an arguement that Brad Johnson is better than Culpepper?:blowkiss:

I don't know...how many rings for Johnson? Cullpepper?

!Papacrunk!

03-20-2006, 06:52 PM

I would say one bad season, but he didn't even play a complete season the way it is, and three of those games were against Chicago, Carolina, and Tampa Bay, some decent defenses.
From what we've had since Marino, I'll take these career stats:
completions:1678
attempts:2607
completion %: 64.4
YPA:7.73
Long:82
TD:135
QB rating:91.5
Rushing TDs:29
and to be fair the negative stats:

Fumbles:34, lost 13 (ouch, get that guy some stick 'um)
INTS:86

I know people hate stats, and this is a Bills fan and I won't really convince anyone that he's an "above average" QB, but for a 2nd round pick, even with a bum knee, it's an upgrade of a postion that has been holding us back for a long time.

patmoran2006

03-20-2006, 07:24 PM

I don't know...how many rings for Johnson? Cullpepper?

Rob Johnson has more Super Bowl rings than Jim Kelly.. What the hell kind of statement is that?

ICE74129

03-20-2006, 07:49 PM

Rob Johnson has more Super Bowl rings than Jim Kelly.. What the hell kind of statement is that?

Apples and oranges. Even you know better.

Kerr

03-20-2006, 07:52 PM

Enough. Nall stinks.

Dozerdog

03-20-2006, 08:12 PM

So what that he was the #1 passer in NFLE.

The Bills had back to back NFLE rushing champions in 2002/2003. It got us all of one season out of a 3rd string RB.

It's like being the tallest ******. No one cares. All he had to do there is learn the pro game.

The Bills got the 3rd string QB of the future in this deal. Nothing more.

patmoran2006

03-20-2006, 08:14 PM

ICE74129

03-20-2006, 08:15 PM

LMAO I don't see how anyone can say this guy is our 3rd string QB. I believe the contract numbers when they come out might say different

J TES

03-20-2006, 08:17 PM

I don't know...how many rings for Johnson? Cullpepper?
You're crazy. There is no comparison to be made. Culpepper is way better than Johnson. Miami gets a top 5 QB and he suddenly sucks, Buffalo signs Craig Nall and you think you've found the next Jake Delhomme. Give credit where credit is due.

ICE74129

03-20-2006, 08:28 PM

You're crazy. There is no comparison to be made. Culpepper is way better than Johnson. Miami gets a top 5 QB and he suddenly sucks, Buffalo signs Craig Nall and you think you've found the next Jake Delhomme. Give credit where credit is due.

Top 5 with Moss, Bottom 5 without him.

patmoran2006

03-20-2006, 08:33 PM

Then WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE BREES WITHOUT GATES?

ICE74129

03-20-2006, 08:38 PM

Then WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE BREES WITHOUT GATES?

with M Lewis from UCLA with the 2nd pick in the 2nd round.

patmoran2006

03-20-2006, 08:43 PM

Marcedes Lewis...
I"ll circle in Brees for the Pro Bowl right now.

ICE74129

03-20-2006, 09:06 PM

Marcedes Lewis...
I"ll circle in Brees for the Pro Bowl right now.

LMAO You do that.

Dicknoze69

03-20-2006, 09:23 PM

Comparing Mercedes Lewis to Antonio Gates is like comparing a Honda Civic (potential) to a Ferrari (stud)

Bill Cody

03-20-2006, 09:33 PM

So what that he was the #1 passer in NFLE.

Totally agree. NFLE is like the CBA is to the NBA. A few guys make the jump but not too many.
Rohan Davey was the top passer in NFLE last year. And that got him....cut by NE.

feelthepain

03-20-2006, 09:42 PM

LMAO I don't see how anyone can say this guy is our 3rd string QB. I believe the contract numbers when they come out might say different

So the stats a players has, for playing in games in the NFL!!! Mean little, but how much a player signs for proves his talent level??? Good logic.

ICE74129

03-20-2006, 09:42 PM

Comparing Mercedes Lewis to Antonio Gates is like comparing a Honda Civic (potential) to a Ferrari (stud)

Yeah a guy that was a basket ball player vs a proven TE. sure, its a real reach to think Lewis will be a stud...

patmoran2006

03-20-2006, 09:48 PM

Yeah a guy that was a basket ball player vs a proven TE. sure, its a real reach to think Lewis will be a stud...

"No comment"

feelthepain

03-20-2006, 09:49 PM

Top 5 with Moss, Bottom 5 without him.

Six seasons with Moss, 1/3 of season without... kind of a misleading stat on your part. Plus Pep had the best six games of his career while Moss was injured and on the bench and Pep didn't have S.Linehan last year ether so Pep was in a whole new system, it would have taken time to adjust.

ICE74129

03-20-2006, 09:57 PM

Six seasons with Moss, 1/3 of season without... kind of a misleading stat on your part. Plus Pep had the best six games of his career while Moss was injured and on the bench and Pep didn't have S.Linehan last year ether so Pep was in a whole new system, it would have taken time to adjust.

Oh you mean like this year? first off no september for him and now no S.Linehan again. So according to your arguement Pepp will suck in 06 right?

!Papacrunk!

03-20-2006, 10:02 PM

Well I guess if he's a wash, then we've lost a 2nd round pick. If JP is a wash.........exactly how many picks were used on him again?

feelthepain

03-20-2006, 10:25 PM

Oh you mean like this year? first off no september for him and now no S.Linehan again. So according to your arguement Pepp will suck in 06 right?

Why did we change systems??? Did I miss something???

Earthquake Enyart

03-21-2006, 07:15 AM

It's like being the tallest ******. No one cares.
Tallest dwarf. :cynic:

ICE74129

03-21-2006, 07:19 AM

Why did we change systems??? Did I miss something???

When you changed OC's you changed systems. and Let me say this....you are SCREWED with MM at the helm. It has now been proven he wasn't the genius OC in Pittsburgh.

This is NOT a knock on miami, it really isn't. MM Flat sucks and it will be a move Saban will regret very soon.

!Papacrunk!

03-21-2006, 07:31 AM

When you changed OC's you changed systems. and Let me say this....you are SCREWED with MM at the helm. It has now been proven he wasn't the genius OC in Pittsburgh.

This is NOT a knock on miami, it really isn't. MM Flat sucks and it will be a move Saban will regret very soon. Actually FTP is correct. True we have a new OC, but the system is staying the same--Linehan's and Mularkey's is very similar, just different terminology. It was up to MM to get up to speed w/ our nuances.

Bill Cody

03-21-2006, 07:35 AM

Yeah a guy that was a basket ball player vs a proven TE. sure, its a real reach to think Lewis will be a stud...

What's Lewis proven in the NFL? Nothing other than he can run a 4.84 40 at the combine, .1 faster than Eric Winston the tackle. With that time Lewis will sink to late 2nd. Comparing him to Gates who is the best receiving TE in the league? Right.