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  • Mitchy moo
    Roways rooking ahread!
    • Sep 2005
    • 18380

    Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

    I'm so tired of all of the " grass is always greener on the other side" people on this board. You want to knock J.P Losman? You want to call him a bust? You want to say he is BEHIND where a first round QB should be at this point in his career? Well, let me show you how wrong you are. I took EVERY QB taken in the first round since 2003 ( with the exception of Ben Roethlesberger who is obviously in a class by himself) who has started at least 8 games in the NFL ( Like J.P has). Here are the stats...and how J.P stacks up.

    J.P Losman After his first 8 starts 8 TD's 8 INT's
    Byron Leftwich - After his first 8 starts 6 TD's 12 INT's
    Carson Palmer- After his first 8 starts 6 TD's 10 INT's
    Rex Grossman- After his first 8 starts 6 TD's 6 INT's
    Kyle Boller- After his first 8 starts 6 TD's 8 INT's
    Eli Manning- After his first 8 starts 8 TD's 11 INT's

    And...Alex Smith only had 7 starts last season, but unless he throws 10 TD's and 0 TD's in his next start...his stats are pretty bad. In 7 Starts......... 1 TD 11 INT's


    So, Losman is a bust? Losman will never cut it as a professional QB? You can tell all of this after 8 games eh? He has more TD's after 8 starts than every QB on that list with the exception of Manning who had the equivalent amount.......and he only has more INT's than Rex Grossman. NO QB on that list has a + TD/INT ratio.....and J.P is only 1 of 2 to have an equal ratio.

    So, tell us some more about how J.P can't cut it in the NFL. If you are so smart that you can tell he is garbage after 8 starts, than I suppose none of these other QB's will ever amount to anything either.

    OH.........and another point.

    People wonder why some of us say Kelly Holcomb is not a good fit for this offense? Well....here is the stat.

    In 10 years in the NFL, Kelly Holcomb only has 9 passes of 40 yards or more.
    In 1/2 of a season , J.P Losman had 6.

    You have 3 WR's that run sub 4.4 40's on this team, and all are known for their ability to stretch the field. You want to talk about a square peg into a round hole.....let's talk about Kelly Holcomb dinking and dunking the ball with the track stars the Bills have at WR.

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  • OpIv37
    Acid Douching Asswipe
    • Sep 2002
    • 101238

    #2
    Re: Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

    The only thing that will end the "Losman is a bust" theory is Losman going out on the field and winning some games.

    Until that happens, the jury's still out. He may not get his opportunity this season and he may not get it with the Bills at all. As long as we're winning, I could care less.
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    • TacklingDummy
      Unreachable Douche
      • Jul 2002
      • 71725

      #3
      Re: Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

      Akili Smith-2nd year

      2000 cin | 11 | 118 267 44.2 1253 4.7 3 6

      Heath Shuler -2nd year

      1994 was | 11 | 120 265 45.3 1658 6.3 10 12

      Turk Shonert-3rd year (fist starting)

      1983 cin | 9 | 92 156 59.0 1159 7.4 2 5

      Jeff Kemp- 3rd year, first starting

      1984 ram | 14 | 143 284 50.4 2021 7.1 13 7

      Damon Huard 2nd year

      1999 mia | 16 | 125 216 57.9 1288 6.0 8 4

      Billy Joe Hobert- 2nd year

      1996 oak | 8 | 57 104 54.8 667 6.4 4 5

      Ken Karcher- 1st year

      1987 den | 3 | 56 102 54.9 628 6.2 5 4

      Shaun King -2nd year

      2000 tam | 16 | 233 428 54.4 2769 6.5 18 13 | 73 353 5

      Jacky Lee -1st year

      1960 hou | 14 | 41 77 53.2 842 10.9 5 6

      Gus Ferrotte-2nd year

      1995 was | 16 | 199 396 50.3 2751 6.9 13 13

      Tim Couch- 1st year

      1999 cle | 15 | 223 399 55.9 2447 6.1 15 13

      Todd Collins- 2nd year

      1996 buf | 7 | 55 99 55.6 739 7.5 4 5

      Johnny Lujcak-1st year*

      1948 chi | 9 | 36 66 54.5 611 9.3 6 3

      Kordell Stewart- 3rd year (first starting)

      1997 pit | 16 | 236 440 53.6 3020 6.9 21 17

      Al Woodall-2nd year (first starting)

      1970 nyj | 10 | 96 188 51.1 1265 6.7 9 9

      Others Andre Ware, David Klingler, Todd Marinovich.

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      • patmoran2006
        Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
        • Dec 2005
        • 19840

        #4
        Re: Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

        I take it Tackling DUmmy isnt a Losman fan.. Heh


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        • Jaybird
          Registered User
          • Dec 2005
          • 1908

          #5
          Re: Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

          i agree with this give the kid some slack. Jp might just work out under the right system. Hes shown he can make some things happen. he hasd a huge arm and quick feet.

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          • Bufftp
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            • Jul 2002
            • 18062

            #6
            Re: Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

            [sarcasm]Come on he is a bust, He had a great Offensive Line and and Stellar coaching last year. With that type of support he should have been all pro. [/sarcasm]
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            • TedMock
              Registered User
              • Jul 2002
              • 3221

              #7
              Re: Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

              Originally posted by TacklingDummy
              Akili Smith-2nd year

              2000 cin | 11 | 118 267 44.2 1253 4.7 3 6

              Heath Shuler -2nd year

              1994 was | 11 | 120 265 45.3 1658 6.3 10 12

              Turk Shonert-3rd year (fist starting)

              1983 cin | 9 | 92 156 59.0 1159 7.4 2 5

              Jeff Kemp- 3rd year, first starting

              1984 ram | 14 | 143 284 50.4 2021 7.1 13 7

              Damon Huard 2nd year

              1999 mia | 16 | 125 216 57.9 1288 6.0 8 4

              Billy Joe Hobert- 2nd year

              1996 oak | 8 | 57 104 54.8 667 6.4 4 5

              Ken Karcher- 1st year

              1987 den | 3 | 56 102 54.9 628 6.2 5 4

              Shaun King -2nd year

              2000 tam | 16 | 233 428 54.4 2769 6.5 18 13 | 73 353 5

              Jacky Lee -1st year

              1960 hou | 14 | 41 77 53.2 842 10.9 5 6

              Gus Ferrotte-2nd year

              1995 was | 16 | 199 396 50.3 2751 6.9 13 13

              Tim Couch- 1st year

              1999 cle | 15 | 223 399 55.9 2447 6.1 15 13

              Todd Collins- 2nd year

              1996 buf | 7 | 55 99 55.6 739 7.5 4 5

              Johnny Lujcak-1st year*

              1948 chi | 9 | 36 66 54.5 611 9.3 6 3

              Kordell Stewart- 3rd year (first starting)

              1997 pit | 16 | 236 440 53.6 3020 6.9 21 17

              Al Woodall-2nd year (first starting)

              1970 nyj | 10 | 96 188 51.1 1265 6.7 9 9

              Others Andre Ware, David Klingler, Todd Marinovich.
              And your point is? If Skooby's stats mean nothing (which they do), why would yours hold any weight? Basically between the both of you, we all found out that JP's success may or may not happen. Only time will tell. I don't really care anymore. I just want the Bills to win. I admit that I'm not a Holcomb fan, but I have no allegience to Losman. If he and Nall both suck, draft Brady Quinn. I'm cool with that.

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              • justasportsfan
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 71579

                #8
                Re: Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

                Originally posted by patmoran2006
                I take it Tackling DUmmy isnt a Losman fan.. Heh
                I can't tell myself.
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                • TacklingDummy
                  Unreachable Douche
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 71725

                  #9
                  Re: Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

                  Originally posted by TedMock
                  If he and Nall both suck, draft Brady Quinn. I'm cool with that.

                  I'm cool with that also.

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                  • Mitchy moo
                    Roways rooking ahread!
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 18380

                    #10
                    Re: Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

                    Originally posted by TacklingDummy
                    I'm cool with that also.
                    Don't mess up your rating now.

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                    • Tatonka
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 21289

                      #11
                      Re: Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

                      Originally posted by TedMock
                      And your point is? If Skooby's stats mean nothing (which they do), why would yours hold any weight? Basically between the both of you, we all found out that JP's success may or may not happen.

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                      • ICE74129
                        Legendary Zoner
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 10796

                        #12
                        Re: Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

                        Here is the bottom line AGAIN on this subject...JP must play like an established starter or he sits. Marv, DJ Etal are NOT going to wait on him. Get up to speed JP or you are done here.

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                        • acehole
                          Registered User
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 4877

                          #13
                          Re: Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

                          Amen jury still out on losman...

                          Happened to catch Bryce Fisher on NFL network the other night....someone we cut and left for dead.

                          He is tearing it up on his new team.

                          I will even go out on a limb here and say mike williams might play well on another team....and jury is still out on him.

                          JP is smart.

                          JP has the physical tools.

                          JP has to shut his mouth and play.....and mature.

                          Why panic?

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                          • feelthepain
                            All-Pro Zoner
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 4663

                            #14
                            Re: Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

                            You need to ask yourselves as Bill fans AND BE HONEST, if JP were on another team, namely another AFC east team would you consider him a bust there, or at the very least not worthy of a 1st round pic. I would love to read something to convice me other then the usual excuses. He has been with the Bills long enough to know the playbook forwards and backwards.

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                            • The_Philster
                              Registered User
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 52180

                              #15
                              Re: Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

                              Originally posted by feelthepain
                              You need to ask yourselves as Bill fans AND BE HONEST, if JP were on another team, namely another AFC east team would you consider him a bust there, or at the very least not worthy of a 1st round pic. I would love to read something to convice me other then the usual excuses. He has been with the Bills long enough to know the playbook forwards and backwards.
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