Time to end the "Losman is a bust theory", right here / right now

[Mitchy moo]

I'm so tired of all of the " grass is always greener on the other side" people on this board. You want to knock J.P Losman? You want to call him a bust? You want to say he is BEHIND where a first round QB should be at this point in his career? Well, let me show you how wrong you are. I took EVERY QB taken in the first round since 2003 ( with the exception of Ben Roethlesberger who is obviously in a class by himself) who has started at least 8 games in the NFL ( Like J.P has). Here are the stats...and how J.P stacks up.

J.P Losman After his first 8 starts 8 TD's 8 INT's
Byron Leftwich - After his first 8 starts 6 TD's 12 INT's
Carson Palmer- After his first 8 starts 6 TD's 10 INT's
Rex Grossman- After his first 8 starts 6 TD's 6 INT's
Kyle Boller- After his first 8 starts 6 TD's 8 INT's
Eli Manning- After his first 8 starts 8 TD's 11 INT's

And...Alex Smith only had 7 starts last season, but unless he throws 10 TD's and 0 TD's in his next start...his stats are pretty bad. In 7 Starts......... 1 TD 11 INT's


So, Losman is a bust? Losman will never cut it as a professional QB? You can tell all of this after 8 games eh? He has more TD's after 8 starts than every QB on that list with the exception of Manning who had the equivalent amount.......and he only has more INT's than Rex Grossman. NO QB on that list has a + TD/INT ratio.....and J.P is only 1 of 2 to have an equal ratio.

So, tell us some more about how J.P can't cut it in the NFL. If you are so smart that you can tell he is garbage after 8 starts, than I suppose none of these other QB's will ever amount to anything either.

OH.........and another point.

People wonder why some of us say Kelly Holcomb is not a good fit for this offense? Well....here is the stat.

In 10 years in the NFL, Kelly Holcomb only has 9 passes of 40 yards or more.
In 1/2 of a season , J.P Losman had 6.

You have 3 WR's that run sub 4.4 40's on this team, and all are known for their ability to stretch the field. You want to talk about a square peg into a round hole.....let's talk about Kelly Holcomb dinking and dunking the ball with the track stars the Bills have at WR.

Stolen from BBMB.
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[OpIv37]

The only thing that will end the "Losman is a bust" theory is Losman going out on the field and winning some games.

Until that happens, the jury's still out. He may not get his opportunity this season and he may not get it with the Bills at all. As long as we're winning, I could care less.

[TacklingDummy]

Akili Smith-2nd year

2000 cin | 11 | 118 267 44.2 1253 4.7 3 6

Heath Shuler -2nd year

1994 was | 11 | 120 265 45.3 1658 6.3 10 12

Turk Shonert-3rd year (fist starting)

1983 cin | 9 | 92 156 59.0 1159 7.4 2 5

Jeff Kemp- 3rd year, first starting

1984 ram | 14 | 143 284 50.4 2021 7.1 13 7

Damon Huard 2nd year

1999 mia | 16 | 125 216 57.9 1288 6.0 8 4

Billy Joe Hobert- 2nd year

1996 oak | 8 | 57 104 54.8 667 6.4 4 5

Ken Karcher- 1st year

1987 den | 3 | 56 102 54.9 628 6.2 5 4

Shaun King -2nd year

2000 tam | 16 | 233 428 54.4 2769 6.5 18 13 | 73 353 5

Jacky Lee -1st year

1960 hou | 14 | 41 77 53.2 842 10.9 5 6

Gus Ferrotte-2nd year

1995 was | 16 | 199 396 50.3 2751 6.9 13 13

Tim Couch- 1st year

1999 cle | 15 | 223 399 55.9 2447 6.1 15 13

Todd Collins- 2nd year

1996 buf | 7 | 55 99 55.6 739 7.5 4 5

Johnny Lujcak-1st year*

1948 chi | 9 | 36 66 54.5 611 9.3 6 3

Kordell Stewart- 3rd year (first starting)

1997 pit | 16 | 236 440 53.6 3020 6.9 21 17

Al Woodall-2nd year (first starting)

1970 nyj | 10 | 96 188 51.1 1265 6.7 9 9

Others Andre Ware, David Klingler, Todd Marinovich.

[patmoran2006]

I take it Tackling DUmmy isnt a Losman fan.. Heh

[Jaybird]

i agree with this give the kid some slack. Jp might just work out under the right system. Hes shown he can make some things happen. he hasd a huge arm and quick feet.

[Bufftp]

Come on he is a bust, He had a great Offensive Line and and Stellar coaching last year. With that type of support he should have been all pro.

[TedMock]

Akili Smith-2nd year

2000 cin | 11 | 118 267 44.2 1253 4.7 3 6

Heath Shuler -2nd year

1994 was | 11 | 120 265 45.3 1658 6.3 10 12

Turk Shonert-3rd year (fist starting)

1983 cin | 9 | 92 156 59.0 1159 7.4 2 5

Jeff Kemp- 3rd year, first starting

1984 ram | 14 | 143 284 50.4 2021 7.1 13 7

Damon Huard 2nd year

1999 mia | 16 | 125 216 57.9 1288 6.0 8 4

Billy Joe Hobert- 2nd year

1996 oak | 8 | 57 104 54.8 667 6.4 4 5

Ken Karcher- 1st year

1987 den | 3 | 56 102 54.9 628 6.2 5 4

Shaun King -2nd year

2000 tam | 16 | 233 428 54.4 2769 6.5 18 13 | 73 353 5

Jacky Lee -1st year

1960 hou | 14 | 41 77 53.2 842 10.9 5 6

Gus Ferrotte-2nd year

1995 was | 16 | 199 396 50.3 2751 6.9 13 13

Tim Couch- 1st year

1999 cle | 15 | 223 399 55.9 2447 6.1 15 13

Todd Collins- 2nd year

1996 buf | 7 | 55 99 55.6 739 7.5 4 5

Johnny Lujcak-1st year*

1948 chi | 9 | 36 66 54.5 611 9.3 6 3

Kordell Stewart- 3rd year (first starting)

1997 pit | 16 | 236 440 53.6 3020 6.9 21 17

Al Woodall-2nd year (first starting)

1970 nyj | 10 | 96 188 51.1 1265 6.7 9 9

Others Andre Ware, David Klingler, Todd Marinovich.

And your point is? If Skooby's stats mean nothing (which they do), why would yours hold any weight? Basically between the both of you, we all found out that JP's success may or may not happen. Only time will tell. I don't really care anymore. I just want the Bills to win. I admit that I'm not a Holcomb fan, but I have no allegience to Losman. If he and Nall both suck, draft Brady Quinn. I'm cool with that.

[justasportsfan]

I take it Tackling DUmmy isnt a Losman fan.. HehI can't tell myself.

[TacklingDummy]

If he and Nall both suck, draft Brady Quinn. I'm cool with that.


I'm cool with that also.

[Mitchy moo]

I'm cool with that also.

Don't mess up your rating now.

[Tatonka]

And your point is? If Skooby's stats mean nothing (which they do), why would yours hold any weight? Basically between the both of you, we all found out that JP's success may or may not happen.


:rofl:

[ICE74129]

Here is the bottom line AGAIN on this subject...JP must play like an established starter or he sits. Marv, DJ Etal are NOT going to wait on him. Get up to speed JP or you are done here.

[acehole]

Amen jury still out on losman...

Happened to catch Bryce Fisher on NFL network the other night....someone we cut and left for dead.

He is tearing it up on his new team.

I will even go out on a limb here and say mike williams might play well on another team....and jury is still out on him.

JP is smart.

JP has the physical tools.

JP has to shut his mouth and play.....and mature.

Why panic?

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[feelthepain]

You need to ask yourselves as Bill fans AND BE HONEST, if JP were on another team, namely another AFC east team would you consider him a bust there, or at the very least not worthy of a 1st round pic. I would love to read something to convice me other then the usual excuses. He has been with the Bills long enough to know the playbook forwards and backwards.

[The_Philster]

You need to ask yourselves as Bill fans AND BE HONEST, if JP were on another team, namely another AFC east team would you consider him a bust there, or at the very least not worthy of a 1st round pic. I would love to read something to convice me other then the usual excuses. He has been with the Bills long enough to know the playbook forwards and backwards.
New playbook this year, slick

[feelthepain]

New playbook this year, slick

He hasn't played a game this year....slick!!!

[The_Philster]

He hasn't played a game this year....slick!!!
neither has anyone...what's your point? My point is that he can hardly be expected to
know the playbook forwards and backwards if the offense has just been installed

[feelthepain]

neither has anyone...what's your point? My point is that he can hardly be expected to if the offense has just been installed



The question was based on what he's done!!!!!!!!! What don't you understand?? Why are you trying to add something that hasn't happened yet?? Answer the question as it was posed.

[Philagape]

Bring up Elway, Manning, etc., when talking about JP does NOT mean JP WILL do the same. It's merely making the point that sucking at first does NOT indicate sucking forever. Therefore to cite QBs who failed is just as irrational as saying JP will suck. It's nothing but irrational hatred because there is no logic behind it.