A stadium out side of erie county and buffalo makes no sense...

[Bmax]

With the recent talk of the bills moving out of buffalo to LA . Articles have be written suggesting the bills build a new stadium out side of buffalo to bring in more fans. This my friends makes no sense at all. First let me say this ...It was a mistake to build the stadium in orchard park in the first place...

History has shown that this area has made many mistakes when it comes to building major projects....UB Amherst...etc....Now talk of a stadium in Genesee County for the bills fans in Rochester .. etc...ah no !!! I lived in rochester for five years and ran into more Fish,Packer and Browns fans than Bills fans...


Their is only one place to put a new stadium when it is built and that is downtown Buffalo. The recent activity downtown has shown me that Buffalo has turned the corner and the city is making a slow recovery. New Developement and the work on the erie canal project shows me that the city is starting to bounce back.


Sure it will cost the taxpayers some money .. and many won't want to spend it ...

We really have two choices ...Go all out to keep the bills and draw more events to the city say a regional final in NCAA basketball and maybe a final four ..By building a indoor stadium or let the course be run and possibly lose the team to an area that has never supported football.

When you think abou the cities that could lose their teams it boils down to Buffalo,New Orleans and Minnesota.... But that has changed with the vikings set to build a new sports complex. http://www.vikings.com/stadiumvision.html

San diego was also mentioned but they are discussing a new staduim project. http://www.chargers.com/futurestadium/


So where else can the NFL go.... ? It has to be Buffalo or New Orleans All the rest of the teams are on solid ground with new stadiums or solid fan bases.


It really simple when you think about...It has to be New Orleans... As bad as the WNY economy is .. It's a lot better than The big easy .. First of all the area lost half of it's population due to Hurricane Katrina.. Most of the residents are probably not returning...


Over 50 percent of the white collars jobs have still not returned....Many area schools and hospitals are still not opened. Area business are closed because the people have not returned. I know the NFL wants to do the right thing by trying to bring the saints back . It's just not going to be easy... IT'S A SHAME THAT THE NFL wants reward a city that just doen't support football with a team . While areas that love their teams may get it yanked away..

This is all premature but if we want to keep the bills in buffalo we need to get active. Write The Your State politicans and county legislators and ask them to get busy with a study to keep the bills in bufflao with a new staduim plan by 2011.

It's just five years away but a new lease should be worked out before then . One that is a lot tougher to get out of ..Then maybe a new plan to have a new staduim by 2015.. The ralph is 33 years old...It's time to get busy with plans with a new one...If not so be it .. I would be ok .. just going to Bass pro every sunday in the fall.. Or maybe i could hit the New erie canal musuem...Or maybe the casino to watch the other teams play...HMM.. just think how bad that would be ...


BMAX...

[JD]

A new stadium in downtown Buffalo just might be what the city needs to spark a turnaround..

[Bill Brasky]

yeah, but there are tons of crybabies here who don't want to deal with added 5 minute drive to downtown :rolleyes:

i think a downtown stadium on the waterfront, next to bass pro, HSBC arena, and dunn tire park would spark a boom in new businesses. it has worked in Baltimore and other cities, I don't see why it wouldn't work in a town with nothing left but it's sports teams.

[Stewie]

Yea, the city that can't afford to buy toilet paper for the municipal buildings downtown should finance a new stadium for the incoming billionaire owner.

Right.

[FlyingDutchman]

i agree with you Bmax, however ive lived in Rochester all my life and youre blind if you dont think theres that many Bills fans there. Id say its 80-90% Bills fans. In fact, I dont know many people who arent Bills fans. There was a strong Browns following in the area before the Bills were in Buffalo so thats why thats like it is, and the Dolphins fans are just a phenomenom that happens in any rival city. Some fans are just anti local team, so they pick the rival. Thats why theres a lot of Bills fans in Miami.

[don137]

If there is not a ton of Bills fans in Rochester then why did they move the training camp there and have such a large crowds there? The fact is the Bills can not survive with just the Buffalo fan base. If Buffalo could survive on its own then a downtown stadium on the waterfront (not factoring the cost) would be a great idea. However reality is the Bills need fans from Buffalo, Canada, Rochester and Syracuse to survive. There is a reason Buffalo does not host prime time games on a work/school night. Fans from far away don't want to get home at 2-3 in the morning and go to work the next day. As a result of the lack of regional support for those games they don't sell out.

[Michael82]

i agree with you Bmax, however ive lived in Rochester all my life and youre blind if you dont think theres that many Bills fans there. Id say its 80-90% Bills fans. In fact, I dont know many people who arent Bills fans. There was a strong Browns following in the area before the Bills were in Buffalo so thats why thats like it is, and the Dolphins fans are just a phenomenom that happens in any rival city. Some fans are just anti local team, so they pick the rival. Thats why theres a lot of Bills fans in Miami.
Good post. Don't forget of the huge group of Bills fans that travels to Buffalo from Rochester for the home games. I always see tons on the Thruway on my way. Plus, don't forget of all the people who come out to see the Buffalo Bills practice at St John Fisher. It's always busy, especially the night sessions. :up:

[Michael82]

If there is not a ton of Bills fans in Rochester then why did they move the training camp there and have such a large crowds there? The fact is the Bills can not survive with just the Buffalo fan base. If Buffalo could survive on its own then a downtown stadium on the waterfront (not factoring the cost) would be a great idea. However reality is the Bills need fans from Buffalo, Canada, Rochester and Syracuse to survive. There is a reason Buffalo does not host prime time games on a work/school night. Fans from far away don't want to get home at 2-3 in the morning and go to work the next day. As a result of the lack of regional support for those games they don't sell out.
Good post! :bf1:

[BillsNick]

I don't think the goal here is to resurect Buffalo's economy, it is to build a stadium that is in a central location giving the fans in Eastern counties better access to the games. And don't sit here and say that Rochester isn't packed with Bills fans, cuz that's just rediculous. That place might have more Bills fans than Buffalo itself.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Don't be stupid mike the best spot(and where they will build) is downtown Buffalo. It would be closer for both Rochester and Toronto.

[Michael82]

Check this out! :jig:

http://www.billszone.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/Rochester%20Bills%20Backers%20%231.jpg

http://www.buffalobills.com/fans/BillsBackersHome.jsp

[THATHURMANATOR]

. That place(rochester) might have more Bills fans than Buffalo itself.
Probably the most ridiculous statement in the history of this board!!! At least 99% of Buffalonians are Bills fans and there are more people in Buffalo.

[TedMock]

yeah, but there are tons of crybabies here who don't want to deal with added 5 minute drive to downtown :rolleyes:

i think a downtown stadium on the waterfront, next to bass pro, HSBC arena, and dunn tire park would spark a boom in new businesses. it has worked in Baltimore and other cities, I don't see why it wouldn't work in a town with nothing left but it's sports teams.

Remember that Baltimore went to a larger "Baltimore County" government too. A smaller version of what L.A. did. Buffalo and Erie County would be wise to go that route, but you'll see backlash from a lot of suburbia because they don't want their taxes going to help city programs. It's ridiculous, but it's the truth.

[mead107]

saratoga county would be a good place . right in my back yard .

[Michael82]

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[BillsNick]

Probably the most ridiculous statement in the history of this board!!! At least 99% of Buffalonians are Bills fans and there are more people in Buffalo.

Most rediculous statement in the history of the board? :rolleyes:

Buffalo is only larger than Rochester by about 75,000 people, and the percentage of Bills fans is not far off from Buffalo, so how is that so "rediculous"?

[THATHURMANATOR]

Most rediculous statement in the history of the board? :rolleyes:

Buffalo is only larger than Rochester by about 75,000 people, and the percentage of Bills fans is not far off from Buffalo, so how is that so "rediculous"?
Thanks for making my point! More People in Buffalo = more Bills fans so if you know this it was Ridiculous(or just stupid) to say that Rochester has more Bills fans. I also am not saying there aren't tons of Bills fans in Rochester.

[Pride]

Why do people in Buffalo need to join a Bills Backers club? Weren't the designed for out of towners who wanted to meet fans who are also out of towners???

To argue that Rochester Bills Backers Club size has anything to do with number of fans is ******ed!

[THATHURMANATOR]

Why do people in Buffalo need to join a Bills Backers club? Weren't the designed for out of towners who wanted to meet fans who are also out of towners???

To argue that Rochester Bills Backers Club size has anything to do with number of fans is ******ed!
:bf1:

FINALLY Someone with some sense here!

I don't Join a Bills backers club because I live In Buffalo!

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Since the goal of the BillsBackers is to give people outside of the Buffalo area a link to the Bills it makes sense that Buffalo doesn't have a huge chapter.



*** I guess we are all on the same page ***


Plus the NYC chapter has over 1000 members, many just haven't signed up.

[footballhottie]

will we be able to drink and tailgate if it goes downtown?

[patmoran2006]

will we be able to drink and tailgate if it goes downtown?

Better

[THATHURMANATOR]

Yes of course. I imagine it could be like Pittsburgh where are tons of cool bars and party areas as well!

[Michael82]

Yes of course. I imagine it could be like Pittsburgh where are tons of cool bars and party areas as well!
:ill:

So basically it's just like what i said...we lose much of our tailgating. :shakeno:

[Bill Brasky]

Remember that Baltimore went to a larger "Baltimore County" government too. A smaller version of what L.A. did. Buffalo and Erie County would be wise to go that route, but you'll see backlash from a lot of suburbia because they don't want their taxes going to help city programs. It's ridiculous, but it's the truth.
Yeah, well that is a whole other issue for a different time.

There was a study done on cities with similiar problems to Buffalo's. I think it was five cities, Baltimore, Honolulu, Fairfax county (VA), Buffalo and one or 2 others. No surprise that the cities that consolidated all their governments are now propsering, while Erie County lawmakers and their stubborness continue to allow the City of Buffalo and the county to fall apart.

Until the idiots in Erie County realize that's their only real option, the city will continue to rot, people will continue to move, and taxes will continue to go up.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Yeah, well that is a whole other issue for a different time.

There was a study done on cities with similiar problems to Buffalo's. I think it was five cities, Baltimore, Honolulu, Fairfax county (VA), Buffalo and one or 2 others. No surprise that the cities that consolidated all their governments are now propsering, while Erie County lawmakers and their stubborness continue to allow the City of Buffalo and the county to fall apart.

Until the idiots in Erie County realize that's their only real option, the city will continue to rot, people will continue to move, and taxes will continue to go up.
Good point sir good point

[THATHURMANATOR]

:ill:

So basically it's just like what i said...we lose much of our tailgating. :shakeno:
What is the difference? A party is a party man! It isn't like there wont be large parking lots for you to tailgate in. If you guys want to have the Pinto Parties there will be room for sure.

Also lets think about this. Would you rather give up a little of the tailgating to insure the Bills stay in the area?

[THATHURMANATOR]

People are just throwing out their Opinions that have not factual backing.

[Bill Brasky]

What is the difference? A party is a party man!

I like your attitude. Come down to go to a met game w/ stampy and I!

[patmoran2006]

The Mets suck.. way for Pedro to go head hunting three times last night.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I like your attitude. Come down to go to a met game w/ stampy and I!
Why not a Yanks game???

I would check out a Mets game though too!

[Bill Brasky]

Why not a Yanks game???

I would check out a Mets game though too!

Mets AND Yankees game beotch... subway series. that would be sweet. Freem Stamp and Thurm owning Queens.

Patmoran, Pedro looked nuts last night. He had no control over his pitches.

Stamp and I are goin to Shea tomorrow... Glavine vs. Dontrell! We are gonna tailgate hard!

[THATHURMANATOR]

Nice Freeman I will try to make this happen!

[footballhottie]

well ok..if i can still get tanked at games im good.

[Michael82]

Mets AND Yankees game beotch... subway series. that would be sweet. Freem Stamp and Thurm owning Queens.

Patmoran, Pedro looked nuts last night. He had no control over his pitches.

Stamp and I are goin to Shea tomorrow... Glavine vs. Dontrell! We are gonna tailgate hard!
keep this on topic or we will be forced to move it. Thank you.

:club:

[Bill Brasky]

well ok..if i can still get tanked at games im good.

well i guess as long as you are happy nothing and nobody else matters.

[Statman]

Don't be stupid mike the best spot(and where they will build) is downtown Buffalo. It would be closer for both Rochester and Toronto.

How closer for Rochester? Any map will reveal that that's not true especially when you consider typical downtown congestion. Toronto maybe, but far more fans come from Rochester and Syracuse than from Toronto.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Ok statman we will move it 20 minutes closer so you don't have to drive a full hour.... :ill:

[tat2dmike77]

will we be able to drink and tailgate if it goes downtown?

I thought you were leaving the yuppies

[Bmax]

Yeah, well that is a whole other issue for a different time.

There was a study done on cities with similiar problems to Buffalo's. I think it was five cities, Baltimore, Honolulu, Fairfax county (VA), Buffalo and one or 2 others. No surprise that the cities that consolidated all their governments are now propsering, while Erie County lawmakers and their stubborness continue to allow the City of Buffalo and the county to fall apart.

Until the idiots in Erie County realize that's their only real option, the city will continue to rot, people will continue to move, and taxes will continue to go up.


In agree too many school districts ...etc... There is a simple truth here ...People should flock to cities not surburbs...The nightlife.... the energy in a city is just different. I had the good fortune to live in Columbia SC.. for two years... Of course the university of South Carolina is located there...People not only drove for two hours but 8-10 every home game....So the knock of driving a couple more hours seems kinda of whimpy to me...


Look if the bills are good the people will come to natinally televised games.. It happened during the super bowl years.... The reason why some don't want a stadium in downtown is not because of distance.. I believe they are just afraid to come in the city still....Buffalo is one of the last cities in the US to start rebuilding their inner core... For years the city was neglected while surubs like Amherst and Lancaster grew.. Poor leadsership in the cities and county government the big reason...

We fight against each other for just a small piece of the economic pie. There is no cooperation between the locals to build smart communites..While the suburs complain about Wal-Mart's being built . City areas celebrate the first Supermarket built in an inner city area in 30 years...Thank god we have finally started to see the light .. The area around Buffalo General.. Allen ST.....HSBC AREA...The condo lofts, etc...

Just local guuys who get it now politicans are jumping on the bandwagon... To those of you who hate getting back at 9 or 10,11 12 mid ...or even 3 or 4 for a monday nighter.. One suggestion Take the day off...I can see it now some farmer is pissed because the bills have moved to corfu and his cows have not been right since .. Topping Eye- witness news there is a cow tipping epidemic in corfu....Channel 2 will have the red coats out their with a full scale investigation....


Build it downtown and they will come...

Then when we have our national spotlight game .. Then the rest of the country will see how buffalo has become a great city again


Bmax

[Statman]

Ok statman we will move it 20 minutes closer so you don't have to drive a full hour.... :ill:

Clearly not the point. The Bills will survive without me.

But Rochester and Monroe County are about 80% of the population of Buffalo and Erie County. IMO one of the nice things about RWS now is the spread out lots for tailgating. It's like one enormous party. If that goes away I think it will reduce the draw.

Many teams have their stadiums well away from their metro areas without losing attendance. New England's is in Foxboro. That place is further from Boston than Batavia is from Buffalo and Boston is 90% of that region's population.

I also don't want to tailgate in a bar where it's far more restricted or in some dinky lot. I like the big fires on cold nights at the end of cold games and the freedoms that large lots provide. Every stadium that I've been to that has small lots has sucked for tailgating.

Downtown I agree would be better than Orchard Park which was a huge mistake. But it sometimes takes an hour or more just to get to the Batavia or other midway area after games and often as long to games. That's all time that if reduced I'm sure would draw fans from further east. It wouldn't make much of a difference for fans from Buffalo unless a half-hour car hop is a problem for fans to see their team.

[Michael82]

Clearly not the point. The Bills will survive without me.

But Rochester and Monroe County are about 80% of the population of Buffalo and Erie County. IMO one of the nice things about RWS now is the spread out lots for tailgating. It's like one enormous party. If that goes away I think it will reduce the draw.

Many teams have their stadiums well away from their metro areas without losing attendance. New England's is in Foxboro. That place is further from Boston than Batavia is from Buffalo and Boston is 90% of that region's population.

I also don't want to tailgate in a bar where it's far more restricted or in some dinky lot. I like the big fires on cold nights at the end of cold games and the freedoms that large lots provide. Every stadium that I've been to that has small lots has sucked for tailgating.

Downtown I agree would be better than Orchard Park which was a huge mistake. But it sometimes takes an hour or more just to get to the Batavia or other midway area after games and often as long to games. That's all time that if reduced I'm sure would draw fans from further east. It wouldn't make much of a difference for fans from Buffalo unless a half-hour car hop is a problem for fans to see their team.
Good post.

[Dozerdog]

Clearly not the point. The Bills will survive without me.

But Rochester and Monroe County are about 80% of the population of Buffalo and Erie County. IMO one of the nice things about RWS now is the spread out lots for tailgating. It's like one enormous party. If that goes away I think it will reduce the draw.

Many teams have their stadiums well away from their metro areas without losing attendance. New England's is in Foxboro. That place is further from Boston than Batavia is from Buffalo and Boston is 90% of that region's population.

I also don't want to tailgate in a bar where it's far more restricted or in some dinky lot. I like the big fires on cold nights at the end of cold games and the freedoms that large lots provide. Every stadium that I've been to that has small lots has sucked for tailgating.

Downtown I agree would be better than Orchard Park which was a huge mistake. But it sometimes takes an hour or more just to get to the Batavia or other midway area after games and often as long to games. That's all time that if reduced I'm sure would draw fans from further east. It wouldn't make much of a difference for fans from Buffalo unless a half-hour car hop is a problem for fans to see their team.


Foxboro is 30 miles by highway to the Center of Boston, 20 miles in a straight line.

Buffalo is 40 miles from Batavia.

One huge problem with a downtown stadium is location. It would probably be built on the site of the old Aud, on the waterfront. I don't know about you guys, but sitting on lake Erie in December with that wind off the would be brutal. Even worse for tailgaiting.

However-I do like the access to downtown bars/ restauraunts and stuff. If it's 10 degrees in December I'd rather tailgate for 3 hours indoors.

The issue with moving it East would mean that you lose a large portion of the Canadian market. Beleive it or not, there are a hell of lot more people living in a 90 mile drive to the WEST / Northwest of Buffalo than to the East.