Giambra Comments..

[RedEyE]

Giambra Supports Wilson's Comments About The CBA
WGR Newsroom - Friday, April 7, 2006 - 1:35 PM
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Erie County Executive Joel Giambra called on football fans throughout Western New York to flood political offices in Albany and Washington with their complaints about the new collective bargaining agreement that is being finalized.

Giambra agreed with Ralph Wilson Jr. that the new CBA penalizes small market teams. He believes that the teams that need public funding to stay in their markets could move, mentioning Buffalo, Cincinnati and Jacksonville by name.

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[ICE74129]

Giambra Supports Wilson's Comments About The CBA
WGR Newsroom - Friday, April 7, 2006 - 1:35 PM
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Erie County Executive Joel Giambra called on football fans throughout Western New York to flood political offices in Albany and Washington with their complaints about the new collective bargaining agreement that is being finalized.

Giambra agreed with Ralph Wilson Jr. that the new CBA penalizes small market teams. He believes that the teams that need public funding to stay in their markets could move, mentioning Buffalo, Cincinnati and Jacksonville by name.

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http://www.wgr550.com/bills/fullstory.php?id=1511

ROTFLMAO Yeah get right on that. Make sure you call them, who will in turn call the NFL offices, who will in turn say 'Talk to us in 2011'.

REALITY is what these assclowns need a dose of. Ralph, you aren't getting your way. It is how it is. Either STFU and deal with it, or STFU and sell. Either way STFU.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Giambra sounded like some greasy hack. Yeah I know the guy second in charge.... What a douche.

[OpIv37]

wtf? What do Albany and Washington have to do with the NFL's collective bargaining agreement?

The NFL is a private organization. The CB may not be fair to small market teams, but as long as it doesn't violate the law, there's nothing DC and Albany can do except ***** about it.

[lordofgun]

wtf? What do Albany and Washington have to do with the NFL's collective bargaining agreement?

The NFL is a private organization. The CB may not be fair to small market teams, but as long as it doesn't violate the law, there's nothing DC and Albany can do except ***** about it.
The baseball steroid investigation should tell you that's not true.

[patmoran2006]

Im sure the majority of the 30 other NFL teams could give a **** less if the Bills are in Buffalo or LA.

IN fact, league-wide revenue wise,they'd probably RATHER us be in Los Angeles.

Giambra is such an ******* its ridiculous.

[OpIv37]

The baseball steroid investigation should tell you that's not true.

steroids are illegal drugs. If MLB is tacitly accepting their use, they're an accessory to a violation of federal law. There's nothing illegal about the CB- the law says nothing about fairness.

[ICE74129]

The baseball steroid investigation should tell you that's not true.

So Ralph should investigate Snyder and Jones for using steroids?

[Iehoshua]

So Ralph should investigate Snyder and Jones for using steroids?
I think so!

:rofl:

[OpIv37]

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Giambra is such an ******* its ridiculous.

that may be true but this isn't Giambra's fault. I think he just doesn't want to be associated with losing the Bills so he's doing anything possible to appear like he's trying to keep them in town.

[Statman]

Giambra Supports Wilson's Comments About The CBA
WGR Newsroom - Friday, April 7, 2006 - 1:35 PM
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Erie County Executive Joel Giambra called on football fans throughout Western New York to flood political offices in Albany and Washington with their complaints about the new collective bargaining agreement that is being finalized.http://www.wgr550.com/bills/fullstory.php?id=1511
Yeah, that's all the NFL needs, the government involved. LOL

[Saratoga Slim]

So Ralph should investigate Snyder and Jones for using steroids?

I don't think either Snyder or Jones is on steroids. The reason their right hands are so rippled with muscle is because that's the one they reach for their wallets with

[RedEyE]

Well, unfortunately, organizations, or companies if you will, such as the Buffalo Bills and the Buffalo Sabres provide jobs and not just entertainment to the region. Buffalo is a dying city and economicaly I'm not sure how long it would last once it's biggest sports franchise packs it up and takes a hike.

I belive that it is in the best interest of state, city, and county governments to be involved in the future of the Buffalo Bills.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Giambra sounded like some greasy hack. Yeah I know the guy second in charge.... What a douche.
Giambra IS a greasy hack.

[RedEyE]

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[Typ0]

I can see where the government is involved...in fact this may be their only option. It sounds to me like most owners want to do away with revenue sharing. If the clause they spoke of that dictates teams who transfer owners do not transfer revenue sharing rights that will do away with it. They basically are saying revenue sharing is gone...but they are going to grandfather in all the teams who are currently revenue sharing.

In turn, they're stipulating that the market should determine where a sports franchise is located. This is where the government comes in because this could be an anti-trust violation especially if a more thorough analysis determines this would cause franchises in all professional sports to move around much more often. Additionally, the NFL is a specific marketplace and this could be seen as collusion in the marketplace. Don't forget that the NFL is a representative of all the teams.

[Typ0]

it could turn into a big mess that might save the Bills and do away with the salary cap...wouldn't that be funny? We'd be destined to mediocrity forever--stuck in pergatory.

[Ickybaluky]

In turn, they're stipulating that the market should determine where a sports franchise is located. This is where the government comes in because this could be an anti-trust violation especially if a more thorough analysis determines this would cause franchises in all professional sports to move around much more often. Additionally, the NFL is a specific marketplace and this could be seen as collusion in the marketplace. Don't forget that the NFL is a representative of all the teams.

This isn't baseball. The NFL has no monopoly protection like baseball. There are no stipulations on markets. None of that applies.

[Typ0]

This isn't baseball. The NFL has no monopoly protection like baseball. There are no stipulations on markets. None of that applies.

There are stipulations on markets. All of the competitors in a marketplace can't get together and set policies that dictate prices or take advantage of distribution networks.

# Monopoly markets

* Definition: "markets . . . in which a single firm is the only seller in the market and which new sellers are barred from entering." (p. 221)
* Principal Market-Distorting Effect
o inability of other competitors to enter the market
+ thereby increasing supplies
+ thereby bidding prices down
o results in artificially high prices
+ above the "natural price" or equilibrium point
+ natural price = cost of production + going-rate-of-profit (CP + GRP)

http://www.wutsamada.com/cmu/phl318/velasq4.htm


The courts response to this has been to set up legislative bodies that monitor and control these types of markets. Things like the PUCs or NRC.

[Ickybaluky]

There are stipulations on markets. All of the competitors in a marketplace can't get together and set policies that dictate prices or take advantage of distribution networks.

I fail to see how this applies.

The NFL shares more revenue than any other sports league, but a wide margin. There is a revenue sharing system outlined in the CBA, which stipulates the rules.

The CBA is a privately negotiated labor contract between the NFL and union which governs that relationship. The NFLPA approved it. 30 of the 32 NFL teams approved it.

Where do you see any legal challenge to this? If there is a problem with the NFL, then one might try to start their own league. Can't do that with baseball.

[Typ0]

This isn't baseball. The NFL has no monopoly protection like baseball. There are no stipulations on markets. None of that applies.

what monopoly protection does baseball have?

[ICE74129]

Jesus Christ! Look, Here is how it is, NOTHING IS GOING TO BE DONE!!! 2011, the new owner of the Bills can fight it then.

We just better pray there IS a new owner and he keeps the team in friggin Buffalo.

[Ickybaluky]

what monopoly protection does baseball have?

They have an anti-trust exemption from the government. They are the only league that has it, and have had it since the 1920's. Football, basketball and boxing tried to get it, and were denied. Hockey and Golf tried to get it as well, but never challenged beyond the lower courts, where they were denied.

Baseball's exemption has been challenged in the past, but has been upheld. The last serious challenge was the Curt Flood case, which tried to declare baseball's reserve system illegal so Flood could become a Free Agent. However, the court upheld the exemption despite admitting it was flawed. The courts basically decided it was up to Congress to decide on the exemption.

In 1998, Congress passed the Curt Flood Act, which partially repealed the antitrust exemption to give the Players Association the same rights as the unions in the other major sports. Congress said that the exemption was still intact with respect to relocation, the reserve clause, the minor leagues, and broadcasting contracts. Whenever something happens in baseball that get politicians riled up, they threaten to repeal the exemption.

The reason football teams can move is because the league does not have an anti-trust exemption. No MLB team can move without approval from the league. The NFL isn't subject to any different anti-trust rules than any other business that engages in interstate commerce. The fact they have a collectively bargained labor agreement that the NFLPA ratified and 30 of the 32 NFL owners agreed to would make it difficult to bring some sort of anti-trust action. Congress wouldn't have the same power they have over baseball, where they can threaten them with the exemption.

In football, if there was a problem that caused a major divide between markets, then it would likely lead to some teams dropping out and forming a competing league. The reason that doesn't happen in baseball is because of the anti-trust exemption.

[Typ0]

They have an anti-trust exemption from the government. They are the only league that has it, and have had it since the 1920's. Football, basketball and boxing tried to get it, and were denied. Hockey and Golf tried to get it as well, but never challenged beyond the lower courts, where they were denied.

Baseball's exemption has been challenged in the past, but has been upheld. The last serious challenge was the Curt Flood case, which tried to declare baseball's reserve system illegal so Flood could become a Free Agent. However, the court upheld the exemption despite admitting it was flawed. The courts basically decided it was up to Congress to decide on the exemption.

In 1998, Congress passed the Curt Flood Act, which partially repealed the antitrust exemption to give the Players Association the same rights as the unions in the other major sports. Congress said that the exemption was still intact with respect to relocation, the reserve clause, the minor leagues, and broadcasting contracts. Whenever something happens in baseball that get politicians riled up, they threaten to repeal the exemption.

The reason football teams can move is because the league does not have an anti-trust exemption. No MLB team can move without approval from the league. The NFL isn't subject to any different anti-trust rules than any other business that engages in interstate commerce. The fact they have a collectively bargained labor agreement that the NFLPA ratified and 30 of the 32 NFL owners agreed to would make it difficult to bring some sort of anti-trust action. Congress wouldn't have the same power they have over baseball, where they can threaten them with the exemption.

In football, if there was a problem that caused a major divide between markets, then it would likely lead to some teams dropping out and forming a competing league. The reason that doesn't happen in baseball is because of the anti-trust exemption.


The "exemption" that baseball has is because each government branch keeps passing it to the other. Even you cite a recent case that indicates both congress and the courts are finding a way to take action even though it only applies to part of the agreed upon monopoly by the people in baseball.

I think you are confused about the idea that anyone can start another football league means there isn't a monopoly. The question is not if they are free to do it but if there are insumoutable barriers to entry in the marketplace caused by collusion of the current market players. The issue on baseball is far from settled and is obviously gaining momentum as something the goverment should start interacting with.

[Mr. Pink]

The "exemption" that baseball has is because each government branch keeps passing it to the other. Even you cite a recent case that indicates both congress and the courts are finding a way to take action even though it only applies to part of the agreed upon monopoly by the people in baseball.

I think you are confused about the idea that anyone can start another football league means there isn't a monopoly. The question is not if they are free to do it but if there are insumoutable barriers to entry in the marketplace caused by collusion of the current market players. The issue on baseball is far from settled and is obviously gaining momentum as something the goverment should start interacting with.

I remember a small fledgling young league try to stand up against the NFL and it's alleged "monopoly." They got a dollar and were told to go home. Perhaps you remember them. The USFL. And that was an entire leagues' united voice against the NFL.

Now Ralph Wilson and us are gonna take on the NFL due to their CBA that's set up to help teams make money as long as they take steps to try and make their own money first.....What do you think his chances are?