The OFFICIAL Merged Skooby rants thread

[Mitchy moo]

It's pretty obvious the Daniel snyder's of the world want their franchises to succeed, they spend all the money to promote the team and get the best players/coaches. RW figures he will pretty much fill the stadium anyways so why spend extra when he can bank it. Sell the naming right to the casino's and get the best staff possible? Oh know lets call it my name stay broke and never move forward. The other owners want to move on and vote yes? I vote no, no I don't want to change.

Sorry, it's time to go Ralph. Your guard duty is over, it's time for the new set of folks. I would now like to introduce the LA Bills.

[Thurmal]

I live in the DC area. Everyone, including Skins fans, hates Snyder. If you think a good owner charges fans $22 to park and $8 a beer, then you're an idiot. This guy even charges fans tickets to watch training camp practice. he is also extremely meddlesome.

Washington has made the playoffs like twice in the last 10 years, despite all their signings.

The Bills have signed plenty of big-name free agents over the last few years (Spikes, Adams, Milloy, etc.), so your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

[The_Philster]

Are you saying you want Ralph Wilson dead? :negrep: :mad:
That's not even halfway funny :down:

[Mitchy moo]

I live in the DC area. Everyone, including Skins fans, hates Snyder. If you think a good owner charges fans $22 to park and $8 a beer, then you're an idiot. This guy even charges fans tickets to watch training camp practice. he is also extremely meddlesome.

Washington has made the playoffs like twice in the last 10 years, despite all their signings.

The Bills have signed plenty of big-name free agents over the last few years (Spikes, Adams, Milloy, etc.), so your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

So his ability to make money in his venue is a negative? We're you alive when Joe Gibbs was there last? You did pretty well if you can remember it.

[Mitchy moo]

Are you saying you want Ralph Wilson dead? :negrep: :mad:
That's not even halfway funny :down:

No He will die eventually & when that happens, LA Bills it is.

[The_Philster]

No He will die eventually & when that happens, LA Bills it is.
They wouldn't be the Bills anymore..and the NFL will lose a ton of dedicated fans. It'd be the LA Prettyboys..anyway, there are possible buyers who'd keep the team here where it belongs

[don137]

Between wishing RW dead and thinking the NFL would allow a casino to have the naming rights to a stadium might go done as one of the worst posts ever by a Bills fan on this site.

[The_Philster]

assuming he's a Bills fan... :cynic:

[Thurmal]

So his ability to make money in his venue is a negative? We're you alive when Joe Gibbs was there last? You did pretty well if you can remember it.
He gouges the fans; everyone hates him.

When Joe Gibbs coached the Foreskins the first time, Jack Kent Cooke was the owner, not Snyder.

Ralph is one of the most respected owners in the league; Snyder is one of the most hated. Period.

[!Papacrunk!]

If the Bills were to go someone in the future, couldn't they still be called the Buffalo Bills i.e. the Los Angeles Bufflo Bills, since the Bills were named after the cowboy and not the slow moving animal that has adorned their helmet forever?

[ICE74129]

First off Skoob, leave. We are sick of your crap, it's beyond old. Second Phil is correct the Bills aren't leaving Buffalo. This is a given

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

I REPEAT THIS AGAIN ERIE COUNTY AND WNY WILL FIND A WAY TO KEEP THE BILLS IN WNY!!! :offtopic: We just have to get idiot cut everything in the budget Giambra out of office and all his friends from the Pork and Patronage he's the one that has ruined everything in this state.

[The_Philster]

there is a chance we could lose the Bills, but Ralph's death won't make that a certainty..no matter how much some people may want it :down:

[Michael82]

Between wishing RW dead and thinking the NFL would allow a casino to have the naming rights to a stadium might go done as one of the worst posts ever by a Bills fan on this site.
Good post. :bf1:

[Frez]

What an idiot.

[ICE74129]

There are two groups that would move immediately to keep the Bills here. There are also 2 billionares that would keep them here as well.

The NFL understands how strong an old school market Buffalo is. It needs Buffalo and the Bills aren't going anywhere.

[Dr. Lecter]

Aw ****. Ralph did not sign every single FA available so Skooby is crying.

Get over it. Threads about Ralph passing are moronic.

[TacklingDummy]

If you think a good owner charges fans $22 to park and $8 a beer, then you're an idiot.

If the fans are willing to pay $22 to park and $8 for a beer then Synder is a smart owner. The idiot's are the ones who pay it.

[camelcowboy]

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/jpgs/bknight2.jpg <--skooby

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

Skoobys just trying to set a world record for neg points :)

[Mr B]

Wow... This is the most imamature, classless post I have ever read.

[Nighthawk]

This is really an idiotic post.

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

There are two groups that would move immediately to keep the Bills here. There are also 2 billionares that would keep them here as well.

The NFL understands how strong an old school market Buffalo is. It needs Buffalo and the Bills aren't going anywhere.

After Bass Pro goes out of business in one yr. they won't make it :laughing: from now and if this city has any imagination they would knock the Aud down and that's were they should build the new BILLS stadium. Get rid of the Metro Rail re-open Main St. to cars. It would be the perfect place to build the stadium you have the Arena across the street, the casino's are going to be in the Cobblestone district which are right next to the Arena and you have Dunn Tire Park on Exchange St. have a sports theme in one area Football, Baseball, Hockey.

[Mad Bomber]

It's pretty obvious the Daniel snyder's of the world want their franchises to succeed, they spend all the money to promote the team and get the best players/coaches. RW figures he will pretty much fill the stadium anyways so why spend extra when he can bank it. Sell the naming right to the casino's and get the best staff possible? Oh know lets call it my name stay broke and never move forward. The other owners want to move on and vote yes? I vote no, no I don't want to change.

Sorry, it's time to go Ralph. Your guard duty is over, it's time for the new set of folks. I would now like to introduce the LA Bills.

Worst post. Ever.

Negged.

[RedEyE]

It's a little late for 12 year olds to be playing on the computer. GO TO BED, SKOOBY!!

[gr8slayer]

I live in the DC area. Everyone, including Skins fans, hates Snyder. If you think a good owner charges fans $22 to park and $8 a beer, then you're an idiot. This guy even charges fans tickets to watch training camp practice. he is also extremely meddlesome.

Washington has made the playoffs like twice in the last 10 years, despite all their signings.

The Bills have signed plenty of big-name free agents over the last few years (Spikes, Adams, Milloy, etc.), so your argument makes no sense whatsoever.
Milloy, Adams, big name FA's? They were both way past their prime when we signed them. TKO I'll give you.

[SquishDaFish]

Skoob is nothing but a piece of **** who should be kicked off this site

[gr8slayer]

Skoob is nothing but a piece of **** who should be kicked off this site
Why dont you tell us how you really feel about him.

[ajsdx]

If the Bills were to go someone in the future, couldn't they still be called the Buffalo Bills i.e. the Los Angeles Bufflo Bills, since the Bills were named after the cowboy and not the slow moving animal that has adorned their helmet forever?

I don't think it would really help. If the bills move, it doesn't matter what they're called -- they're still going to lose a big part of the Buffalonian fan base. Like me, probably, even though I haven't lived in Buffalo in more than a decade.

lol at the "slow moving animal" part. It might take us a while to get going, but once we do, i dare something to get in the way! I guess it's somewhat ironic that 3/4 times we've been stopped by indians and cowboys.

Long live stripey.

[tat2dmike77]

The more you post skooby the more you make everyone here realize how utterly ******ed you are.

[ddaryl]

Skoobys just trying to set a world record for neg points :)


yep that why we should all give him positive rep until he hits zero and then we should make sure he stays a zero.

This post is in extremely bad taste.

[Buckets]

It's pretty obvious the Daniel snyder's of the world want their franchises to succeed, they spend all the money to promote the team and get the best players/coaches. RW figures he will pretty much fill the stadium anyways so why spend extra when he can bank it. Sell the naming right to the casino's and get the best staff possible? Oh know lets call it my name stay broke and never move forward. The other owners want to move on and vote yes? I vote no, no I don't want to change.

Sorry, it's time to go Ralph. Your guard duty is over, it's time for the new set of folks. I would now like to introduce the LA Bills.

You're an ass. And by the way you suck

[patmoran2006]

If push came to shove.. TOm Golisano would become involved to own the Bills when the time comes that the severly mentally challenged Skooby is talking about (Wilson's death.)

Tom Golisano, though I'm not a fan of politics, truly does care about the WNY community. and he has the resources to buy the BIlls if Wilson (which he never would) was to put Buffalo up for sale.

Buffalo isn't going anywhere, so us fans can brace for decades more of heartbreak, Chicago Cubs style.

[Gunzlingr]

That was the most ******ed post I have ever read. What a waste of time.

[Mitchy moo]

We'll the reality is we do not have a current owner that is motivated to spend & find extra money to help the team. He isn't going to change his ways in his late 80's so plan on death renewing our team, when it happens.

[The Natrix]

Scooby, I hate you. You really should post a lot less or not at all, for the good of the board.

[The_Philster]

We'll the reality is we do not have a current owner that is motivated to spend & find extra money to help the team. He isn't going to change his ways in his late 80's so plan on death renewing our team, when it happens.
Do you live in WNY? There isn't money to be had

[Mitchy moo]

Do you live in WNY? There isn't money to be had

I live in SW FL now, I left because there is no money in Buffalo. Every year we dream of going to the SB (and winning it) & winning the Stanley cup (we have a good shot this year for the cup). There has to be a way of utilizing local companies to generate profit for the bills via advertising. Maybe you change the stadium name every week? Having money involves everyone around you being successful, like them partnering with Toyota. 20 years ago that would of been a taboo but now it's a regular Buffalo car. The casino are making tons of money, maybe they set up soverign ground near rich stadium and allow people to drink and gamble. A percentage of the profits goes back to the Bills to pay for the management and We call it the Seneca Nation stadium. I grew up in cheektowaga, does that mean that land of the crabapple was a bad place?? No.

[Mudflap1]

What a disgusting thread.

Jon

[Mitchy moo]

All of you seem so happy with what the bills have done, I think we are toast. In this instance I want to be so, so wrong.

[The_Philster]

All of you seem so happy with what the bills have done, I think we are toast. In this instance I want to be so, so wrong.
we don't want to lose the Bills or Ralph to die so we're happy about everything the Bills have done? :rolleyes: Are you saying these ludicrous things for a purpose?

[Mitchy moo]

we don't want to lose the Bills or Ralph to die so we're happy about everything the Bills have done? :rolleyes: Are you saying these ludicrous things for a purpose?

No what I am saying is RW is not a 21st century football owner and is incapable/doesn't desire to spend the money to get the best coaches and staff.

[The_Philster]

No what I am saying is RW is not a 21st century football owner and is incapable/doesn't desire to spend the money to get the best coaches and staff.
so you'd rather he die and risk Buffalo losing the Bills?

[Mitchy moo]

so you'd rather he die and risk Buffalo losing the Bills?

No how about he steps down or tries to find a different local owner why he is still alive? After he dies we will have anarchy and lawsuits, this can be a planned exchange. It can be like a trust or will passing on to the next generation. Do you agree with everything he has done or all the moves he has made??

[The_Philster]

No how about he steps down or tries to find a different local owner why he is still alive? After he dies we will have anarchy and lawsuits, this can be a planned exchange. It can be like a trust or will passing on to the next generation. that I can live with

Do you agree with everything he has done or all the moves he has made??<!-- / message -->No..but of late, what do you find fault with? Coaches and players are way overpaid...and for him to fork out the kind of cash on coaches that people like Dan Snyder fork out not only would add to the problem, but it would require more ticket price increases..which a lot of us couldn't afford

[Mitchy moo]

that I can live with
No..but of late, what do you find fault with? Coaches and players are way overpaid...and for him to fork out the kind of cash on coaches that people like Dan Snyder fork out not only would add to the problem, but it would require more ticket price increases..which a lot of us couldn't afford

People are finding money to feed the indians at the casino but magically can't stand a $2 raise in the ticket prices? That just doesn't add up Phil. I have a crazy idea, why doesn't erie county issue bonds and start plans to make the downtown brand new and build to the suburbs? They can raise the tax base enough after like 5 years to offset the cost of the bonds and use toll and other income streams to guarantee the notes? Then maybe we would see people come back and want to live on the water downtown. The property near lake erie is very expensive and in the canadian side they are building the most beautiful homes by the falls. Take a ride down the canadian falls street that runs along the river and look across the street. It looks like a nuclear wasteland across the street. Start voting in some real go getters and find planners who know how to manage money and rebuild towns. Right now without a real tax base and no real estate industry to build off of, I think there are going to continue to be major problens. Can you imagine a fully restored downtown with the Bills stadium and shops, restaurants, 4 story buildings, 1st floor retail the rest condo's to cover costs? I deal with it down here all day actually and do quite well at it. Maybe I need to come home and help out, hmmmm.

[The_Philster]

1..it'd be more than $2..I started off paying $26 per seat per game when I first got seasons...I'm paying $39 now...and that's still way cheap compared to most teams around the league
2...not everyone is out there throwing away money in the casinos

[Mitchy moo]

1..it'd be more than $2..I started off paying $26 per seat per game when I first got seasons...I'm paying $39 now...and that's still way cheap compared to most teams around the league
2...not everyone is out there throwing away money in the casinos

According to the chief of the tribe they are going to build as many as they can. Do you think they are going to take any losses there?
Bury you head Phil with everyone else there & tell yourself it's going to be OK.

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

People are finding money to feed the indians at the casino but magically can't stand a $2 raise in the ticket prices? That just doesn't add up Phil. I have a crazy idea, why doesn't erie county issue bonds and start plans to make the downtown brand new and build to the suburbs? They can raise the tax base enough after like 5 years to offset the cost of the bonds and use toll and other income streams to guarantee the notes? Then maybe we would see people come back and want to live on the water downtown. The property near lake erie is very expensive and in the canadian side they are building the most beautiful homes by the falls. Take a ride down the canadian falls street that runs along the river and look across the street. It looks like a nuclear wasteland across the street. Start voting in some real go getters and find planners who know how to manage money and rebuild towns. Right now without a real tax base and no real estate industry to build off of, I think there are going to continue to be major problens. Can you imagine a fully restored downtown with the Bills stadium and shops, restaurants, 4 story buildings, 1st floor retail the rest condo's to cover costs? I deal with it down here all day actually and do quite well at it. Maybe I need to come home and help out, hmmmm.


They can raise the tax base enough after like 5 years to offset the cost of the bonds and use toll and other income streams to guarantee the notes? Not going to happen Erie County is trying to get the toll booths removed they're in a lawsuit with Albany

[Mitchy moo]

Not going to happen Erie County is trying to get the toll booths removed they're in a lawsuit with Albany

Playoffs for the bills this decade?? Not going to happen.

[The_Philster]

According to the chief of the tribe they are going to build as many as they can. Do you think they are going to take any losses there? doesn't mean I'm going to throw my money away in them..no matter how many there are

Bury you head Phil with everyone else there & tell yourself it's going to be OK.:yap: I notice you couldn't refute my point about the price increases. As for that juvenile crack, I'm fully aware of what's happening..I'm just smart enough to know that Rome wasn't built in a day. You guys are frantic because we haven't signed a bunch of All-Pros to every position and free agency is less than a week old :coocoo:

[Historian]

I would rather they took the time and did it right too Phil.

[Mitchy moo]

I first want to congratulate RW on 46 years of ownership. There comes a point in every business man's life that you realize that you cannot live forever & you need to do what's best for all around you. The Buffalo community only has a few bright spots in the professional sports arena, the Bills are obviously one of them.

Ralph, we all love you & appreciate what you have done for Buffalo. Your an Icon and will be talked about & will be remembered for everything you have done in the past. Time has a way of catching up with all of us and eventually leads to our demise. The Buffalo area needs the ultimate sacrifice from you, a younger / more agressive owner.

Your eventual passing & the madness that follows may lead others to make assumptions you never intended nor desired. Without proper planning the community you have loved & that embraced you might lose what you hold so dear. Please prepare & make arrangements for your future as well as the community & find a partner that can assure what you have created stays in WNY. It would mean the world to many people & the community, god bless you and yours on our mutual continued successes until then.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

It sounds to me like Ralph is laying the groundwork for this with his visit to the governor.

You have to ask why Ralph did it and why he did it at this point in time. If what he said afterwards was true, then, he wants to see the team stay in WNY and is looking for ways to keep it there even though he feels that the current CBA is going to make it hard for him to do that. If he didn't want the team to stay in WNY, he would have no need to talk to the governor--he could just keep his mouth shut and go about making plans to move the team or try to hold out until he dies and let his heirs sell the team to anyone they want to sell to, including someone who would move the team.

So, why talk with the governor now? While the team's situation isn't dire at this point, in order for the team to have a chance of being competitive over the next few years it is going to have to sign free agents that Ralph can't afford to sign at this point (for reasons that I have outlined in other posts). But, why bother the governor with that and why now? The more problems the team has financially and, consequently, on the field, the lower its value will be when it is sold and the more likely it will be that the new owner will want to move the team out of the area. But if Ralph can arrange to sell the team to a buyer who will keep the team in the area now, he will not only get a good price for the team, but will also be able to accomplish his goal of trying to keep the team in the area. And who better than the governor of the state to help Ralph find a buyer who will work with Ralph to accomplish those goals?

I think that Ralph is giving the governor an opportunity to secure the future of the team for the state and the region: rather than announcing that he wants to sell the team or a portion of the team--which would attract potential buyers from all over the country--he is letting the governor put out feelers to potential buyers within the state who might be willing to work with Wilson to insure that the team stays in WNY.

And, why would Ralph do that? A possible reason could be that he wants to continue as the majority or titular owner of the team for the remainder of his life, but knows that he needs a partner to be able to afford to do that or is receiving pressure from his family to sell the team and he may believe that he will be more likely to find a buyer who will allow him to continue to be involved in the team if he sells the franchise to an owner who is committed to keeping the team in WNY.

Ralph may be old, but he's no dummy--he didn't get to be as rich as he is by being stupid--and it would be foolish to believe that he would be making such a public move for no apparent reason or that his visit with the governor was nothing more than a public hissy-fit because he is ticked off with the NFL. He may be ticked off at the NFL about the new CBA, but guys like Ralph don't get to where he has gotten to by having hissy-fits in public--in private, maybe, but this was a carefully orchestrated visit to the governor, complete with media coverage, that was undertaken for a purpose. And the most likely purpose would be to arrange for his exit from ownership of the Bills on his own terms--terms that would likely include putting some cash in his pocket now, allowing him to remain associated with the team until his death, and keeping the team based in WNY, which are things that the governor could help to him to arrange. Otherwise, why bother the governor?

[Mitchy moo]

It sounds to me like Ralph is laying the groundwork for this with his visit to the governor.

You have to ask why Ralph did it and why he did it at this point in time. If what he said afterwards was true, then, he wants to see the team stay in WNY and is looking for ways to keep it there even though he feels that the current CBA is going to make it hard for him to do that. If he didn't want the team to stay in WNY, he would have no need to talk to the governor--he could just keep his mouth shut and go about making plans to move the team or try to hold out until he dies and let his heirs sell the team to anyone they want to sell to, including someone who would move the team.

So, why talk with the governor now? While the team's situation isn't dire at this point, in order for the team to have a chance of being competitive over the next few years it is going to have to sign free agents that Ralph can't afford to sign at this point (for reasons that I have outlined in other posts). But, why bother the governor with that and why now? The more problems the team has financially and, consequently, on the field, the lower its value will be when it is sold and the more likely it will be that the new owner will want to move the team out of the area. But if Ralph can arrange to sell the team to a buyer who will keep the team in the area now, he will not only get a good price for the team, but will also be able to accomplish his goal of trying to keep the team in the area. And who better than the governor of the state to help Ralph find a buyer who will work with Ralph to accomplish those goals?

I think that Ralph is giving the governor an opportunity to secure the future of the team for the state and the region: rather than announcing that he wants to sell the team or a portion of the team--which would attract potential buyers from all over the country--he is letting the governor put out feelers to potential buyers within the state who might be willing to work with Wilson to insure that the team stays in WNY.

And, why would Ralph do that? A possible reason could be that he wants to continue as the majority or titular owner of the team for the remainder of his life, but knows that he needs a partner to be able to afford to do that or is receiving pressure from his family to sell the team and he may believe that he will be more likely to find a buyer who will allow him to continue to be involved in the team if he sells the franchise to an owner who is committed to keeping the team in WNY.

Ralph may be old, but he's no dummy--he didn't get to be as rich as he is by being stupid--and it would be foolish to believe that he would be making such a public move for no apparent reason or that his visit with the governor was nothing more than a public hissy-fit because he is ticked off with the NFL. He may be ticked off at the NFL about the new CBA, but guys like Ralph don't get to where he has gotten to by having hissy-fits in public--in private, maybe, but this was a carefully orchestrated visit to the governor, complete with media coverage, that was undertaken for a purpose. And the most likely purpose would be to arrange for his exit from ownership of the Bills on his own terms--terms that would likely include putting some cash in his pocket now, allowing him to remain associated with the team until his death, and keeping the team based in WNY, which are things that the governor could help to him to arrange. Otherwise, why bother the governor?

Wow, great post!

[ICE74129]

LBF, what do you think the possibility is that Ralph is laying the ground work say from a tax break/ Tax assistance standpoint in selling the Bills?

I agree with you I think ralph is laying the groundwork to sell. We can only pray....

[TacklingDummy]

Pataki will be out of office long before Ralph sells the team.

Ralph should of waited till Spizter became governor to talk.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Sorry. This is Ralph's exit strategy. :::

[Mitchy moo]

Sorry. This is Ralph's exit strategy. :::

oh no, lol.

[Mitchy moo]

Pataki will be out of office long before Ralph sells the team.

Ralph should of waited till Spizter became governor to talk.

Maybe, maybe not.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

LBF, what do you think the possibility is that Ralph is laying the ground work say from a tax break/ Tax assistance standpoint in selling the Bills?

I agree with you I think ralph is laying the groundwork to sell. We can only pray....

Excellent question, ICE!

You have raised a very interesting possibility that could go a long way towards making it easier for new ownership committed to keeping the Bills in WNY to buy the team.

I don't know exactly what the Bills are worth, but, for argument's sake, let's say $ 600 million on the open market. If Ralph sells the team for that price, he would have to pay somewhere around 8-9% in state and local sales taxes, right? But, if the state and county were to forego the tax revenue from the sale, Ralph could afford to deduct that percentage from the sale price in order make it more attractive to a local buyer, who could get the team for that much less. If the governor could convince Ralph to forego a couple of additional percentage points for a buyer who would commit to keeping the team in the area long-term (say 25 years), the two of them could make it possible for such an owner to buy the franchise for 10-15% off of its accepted value. That would be a heck of a deal for a local businessman or group of local businessmen that would be willing to keep the team in WNY. Where are you going to get a NFL team for 10% off the retail price?

Having gotten the team for that much less, the new ownership would be in a position to use some of the money saved to improve the team and even work with the state to finance construction of a new stadium that could increase the team's revenues (and, coincidently, the state's take as well). All of which would create positive publicity for the team and, more importantly, the region. That publicity, if exploited properly, could be used to help attract new businesses--and subsequently jobs, population and wealth--to the region. Which would help to offset the revenue lost by the state and county in foregoing the tax revenues from the sale of the team, generate new tax revenues, and help to make the franchise more viable in the future.

Of course, the league might object to those kinds of terms for the sale--because the effect would be to lower the actual sale price/real value of not only the Bills as a franchise, but every other franchise in the league and also could be used as a model for the sale of other franchises in other parts of the country. It might take more than simple persuasion by the governor--things that only the governor of the state that the league's headquarters are housed in--to get the league to accept such a deal, but it could be done and would be something that a governor could point to as a part of his political legacy. And, it would also be a fitting and lasting epitaph to the more than 45 years that Ralph Wilson has invested in the team and the region that would survive his ownership of the team and very possibly the man himself.

I hadn't actually considered this before, so thank you, ICE, for broaching the topic and getting me to think about it.

[FlyingDutchman]

I first want to congratulate RW on 46 years of ownership. There comes a point in every business man's life that you realize that you cannot live forever & you need to do what's best for all around you. The Buffalo community only has a few bright spots in the professional sports arena, the Bills are obviously one of them.

Ralph, we all love you & appreciate what you have done for Buffalo. Your an Icon and will be talked about & will be remembered for everything you have done in the past. Time has a way of catching up with all of us and eventually leads to our demise. The Buffalo area needs the ultimate sacrifice from you, a younger / more agressive owner.

Your eventual passing & the madness that follows may lead others to make assumptions you never intended nor desired. Without proper planning the community you have loved & that embraced you might lose what you hold so dear. Please prepare & make arrangements for your future as well as the community & find a partner that can assure what you have created stays in WNY. It would mean the world to many people & the community, god bless you and yours on our mutual continued successes until then.

wtf are you talking about. more young and aggresive? you mean more financially irresponsible? why does everyone have this impression that Ralph just sits back signs checks and doesnt really care what goes on. Ralph is one of the reasons the AFC was able to be succussful along with the NFL in general. not aggressive? we are one of the smallest market teams in the NFL, you want to see some young hot shot businessman run this team into the ground financially? what exactly do you want from Ralph? we get little help from the state bc all the money is going to NYC teams and we pretty much just have a regional fan base. get off the mans back.

[Michael82]

It sounds to me like Ralph is laying the groundwork for this with his visit to the governor.

You have to ask why Ralph did it and why he did it at this point in time. If what he said afterwards was true, then, he wants to see the team stay in WNY and is looking for ways to keep it there even though he feels that the current CBA is going to make it hard for him to do that. If he didn't want the team to stay in WNY, he would have no need to talk to the governor--he could just keep his mouth shut and go about making plans to move the team or try to hold out until he dies and let his heirs sell the team to anyone they want to sell to, including someone who would move the team.

So, why talk with the governor now? While the team's situation isn't dire at this point, in order for the team to have a chance of being competitive over the next few years it is going to have to sign free agents that Ralph can't afford to sign at this point (for reasons that I have outlined in other posts). But, why bother the governor with that and why now? The more problems the team has financially and, consequently, on the field, the lower its value will be when it is sold and the more likely it will be that the new owner will want to move the team out of the area. But if Ralph can arrange to sell the team to a buyer who will keep the team in the area now, he will not only get a good price for the team, but will also be able to accomplish his goal of trying to keep the team in the area. And who better than the governor of the state to help Ralph find a buyer who will work with Ralph to accomplish those goals?

I think that Ralph is giving the governor an opportunity to secure the future of the team for the state and the region: rather than announcing that he wants to sell the team or a portion of the team--which would attract potential buyers from all over the country--he is letting the governor put out feelers to potential buyers within the state who might be willing to work with Wilson to insure that the team stays in WNY.

And, why would Ralph do that? A possible reason could be that he wants to continue as the majority or titular owner of the team for the remainder of his life, but knows that he needs a partner to be able to afford to do that or is receiving pressure from his family to sell the team and he may believe that he will be more likely to find a buyer who will allow him to continue to be involved in the team if he sells the franchise to an owner who is committed to keeping the team in WNY.

Ralph may be old, but he's no dummy--he didn't get to be as rich as he is by being stupid--and it would be foolish to believe that he would be making such a public move for no apparent reason or that his visit with the governor was nothing more than a public hissy-fit because he is ticked off with the NFL. He may be ticked off at the NFL about the new CBA, but guys like Ralph don't get to where he has gotten to by having hissy-fits in public--in private, maybe, but this was a carefully orchestrated visit to the governor, complete with media coverage, that was undertaken for a purpose. And the most likely purpose would be to arrange for his exit from ownership of the Bills on his own terms--terms that would likely include putting some cash in his pocket now, allowing him to remain associated with the team until his death, and keeping the team based in WNY, which are things that the governor could help to him to arrange. Otherwise, why bother the governor?
Very good post! I have been pondering this too. Something is definitely up at One Bills Drive and I personally love the idea that Ralph wants to setup the Buffalo Bills with a co-owner before he passes away. It would make perfect sense and make it soo much easier for him to keep the team here when he passes.

[TedMock]

Pataki will be out of office long before Ralph sells the team.

Ralph should of waited till Spizter became governor to talk.

Oh god, please don't let Spitzer get the job! The guy constantly makes public threats to the bad guys, so he comes across as a real hard-nose, no-nonsense guy. Then, as always, he has to back off his threats because he never had enough evidence. Of course he makes certain that stuff doesn't get all the airtime. He's the biggest joke I've ever seen.

My apologies for venting. This isn't the forum for it.

[Mitchy moo]

The only thing for RW to do now is find a local buyer that's aggressive enough to find new ways to make money on a NFL franchise. $600 M is a bug chunk of change but one might think the Tom G. who bought the sabres and is now going to make money after a short amount of time might be bright enough to think of a new way to make money.

[Bill Cody]

With all the love NE has gotten since Kraft took over as owner, many on this site are not old enough to remember the pre- Kraft days for NE were a study in financial problems, management problems, and general fan apathy. The fact is Buffalo's history up to a decade ago was far more successful than NE's up to that point.

NE had a functional but woefully outdated stadium. RWS looks like the Ritz Carlton in comparison. Billy Sullivan started the Patriots with $10,000 he borrowed from relatives and ran the club on a shoestring for decades without the benefit of a real home stadium. The NFL wasn't the multi billion dollar business it is now, but it was still a business. Sullivan got high marks for loyalty to the team, devotion to the game and perserverance, but low marks on forward thinking and marketing. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? But Billy Sullivan loved the Patriots so much he vowed he would never sell the team. The fact is if his son Chuck had not lost the family millions on a failed Michael Jackson music tour, he would have hung in until he died and then willed the team to his loyal but equally incompetant sons. Sullivan finally sold the Patriots to then Remington shaver magnate Victor Kiam who was also grossly undercapitalized, so much so he couldn't even afford to buy the stadium. Kiam then sold the team to Anheuser Busch billionaire James Orthwein, who tried unsuccessfully to move the team to St. Louis. Orthwein's plans were blocked by Bob Kraft, who had shrewdly purchased the stadium from Billy Sullivan, and held Orthwein to the terms of the long term lease. Orthwein finally sold out to Kraft, and the rest, as they say is history.

It appears to me Ralph Wilson is trying to make excuses for his own incompetance. Sure Buffalo is not a big market, and WNY is not an upscale area, but the fact is owning an NFL team today is basically a license to print money. Ralph has had his run and then some. We all acknowledge his contributions to both the game and to the Bills, which are substantial. But today's rant says to me that the business of football has passed Ralph Wilson by. We can only hope as Bills fans that somehow there is a Bob Kraft in our future. The sooner the better.

[Mitchy moo]

Well it looks like we might lose out team and unless we get another Tom G. miracle like the Sabres this is it. I am very, very upset and cannot believe it's come to this but the handwriting is on the wall. We are just going to go through the motions with RW at the helm and spend as little as possible to be competitive. It's a complete shame and I think the blame squarely falls on RW and his lack of foresight.

We are now Bills Zombies or BZ's, that's are new handle.

[ICE74129]

I remember it completely. a New owner would be able to sort this crap out

[hammerbillsfan]

Are you on crack?

[Mitchy moo]

Why in the world would anyone in the Buffalo area need $500 Million? You could like buy cheektowaga and still have change. It's really is a matter of a stubborn old man and his inability to see how many people he is going to hurt by not planning.

Maybe my RW passing away thread is now looking a little better, huh?

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=94652

[Mitchy moo]

Funny thing Is I brought up all these obvious problems and then RW now has a press conference to annouce his ineptitude. Should we applaud him or make a public outcry to have him sell the team?

[Mitchy moo]

Ralph,

Sell the Bills please. Take your half a Billion and find a shady tree to count it all and let the town keep the Bills. WNY'ers are poor and you can cash out now and walk away. We'll build a statue and talk about how nice it was that you sold the team and kept it in Buffalo. The other side of the coin is Art Modell and the cleveland issues, he is well hated there. Be a real sport will ya?

SELL THE TEAM RW, LETS ALL SOUND OFF!!

[MikeInRoch]

With RW's death will come freedom FROM the Bills. Buffalo will soon thereafter be Bill-less.

[Mitchy moo]

With RW's death will come freedom FROM the Bills. Buffalo will soon thereafter be Bill-less.

Well if RW plans now and sells the thing to keep it in town that would help. Right now he is saying they are leaving so what is the difference?

[Iehoshua]

Why make trillions when we can make.... billions?

[Devin]

Ralph is a wealthy 87 year old man, I dont think its about money so much as it is about ego/being stubborn.

Although I cant blame the guy for not wanting to sell, hes invested 46 years of his life in this team. I hope he does the right things and put things in motion for when hes gone.

[patmoran2006]

I dont think Ralph is worried about "his money"

He's more angry/concerned at the CBA as he feels (and wrongly so I think) that the CBA is bad for small market teams and that the Buffalo's of the NFL will get ran out and not be able to compete.

[Mitchy moo]

Ralph is a wealthy 87 year old man, I dont think its about money so much as it is about ego/being stubborn.

Although I cant blame the guy for not wanting to sell, hes invested 46 years of his life in this team. I hope he does the right things and put things in motion for when hes gone.

Hoping and doing is 2 different things. He isn't getting any younger or smarter, just crabbier.

[Typ0]

He won't sell the team...it would cost him a fortune. It would be in the best interest in his estate to sell the team after his death and the amount he pays in capital gains can probably be applied to help skate the estate tax. I'm not a lawyer.

[Mitchy moo]

I dont think Ralph is worried about "his money"

He's more angry/concerned at the CBA as he feels (and wrongly so I think) that the CBA is bad for small market teams and that the Buffalo's of the NFL will get ran out and not be able to compete.

Other small market teams are not RW's problem, just the Bills. If he doesn't get his **** together the Bills will move and Buffalo will be a one sport town. The ironic part about is that 3 years ago it looked to be the Sabres leaving and the Bills being the 1 sport left, My how the tides have turned.

[Mitchy moo]

He won't sell the team...it would cost him a fortune. It would be in the best interest in his estate to sell the team after his death and the amount he pays in capital gains can probably be applied to help skate the estate tax. I'm not a lawyer.

I think he needs to hire the Best accounting firm Vs a lawyer in this instance.

[RedEyE]

I think he will sell the team once someone douses his internal fire and passion to fight the NFL and the new CBA. Once he realizes that no one can help him, he will put the franchise in it's best position to succeed. That is to sell to a local investor, Golisano being an obvious front runner.

[OpIv37]

He won't sell the team...it would cost him a fortune. It would be in the best interest in his estate to sell the team after his death and the amount he pays in capital gains can probably be applied to help skate the estate tax. I'm not a lawyer.

How do you figure? The team's worth like 700 million or something, and he probably only paid a small fraction of that when he started it in 1964. Yeah, he'd have to still pay capital gains tax but he'd make millions.

[Mski]

He won't sell the team...it would cost him a fortune. It would be in the best interest in his estate to sell the team after his death and the amount he pays in capital gains can probably be applied to help skate the estate tax. I'm not a lawyer.

fact of the matter is capital gains tax are lower then estate taxes, therefor if RW does sell before he dies he and his family would indeed pay less tax overall, because upon his death the estate would have to pay tax on the entire value of the team, also the estates basis in the team would then be the fair market value of the team at time of death so there would be no capital gains then.

[Mski]

How do you figure? The team's worth like 700 million or something, and he probably only paid a small fraction of that when he started it in 1964. Yeah, he'd have to still pay capital gains tax but he'd make millions.

he paid $25k for the team according to forbes... have to ask FuntimeYay for the link... he's the one who found that

[socalfan]

He isn't going to sell the team. He wants to relive the championship years.

[Typ0]

250 million dollars would be lost on the sale in capital gains. That amount would decrease the estate tax because it would be a loss taken during the settling of the estate.

So I ask you...do you want 450 million or 550 million?

[DBrown77]

Good thing we have an "OFFICIAL" Thread for this subject

[Typ0]

fact of the matter is capital gains tax are lower then estate taxes, therefor if RW does sell before he dies he and his family would indeed pay less tax overall, because upon his death the estate would have to pay tax on the entire value of the team, also the estates basis in the team would then be the fair market value of the team at time of death so there would be no capital gains then.

That's not true...if he sells today he will pay the capital gains tax...and then when he dies he will pay an estate tax on the same $$$ he still has...unless, of course, he spends it all.

[OpIv37]

That's not true...if he sells today he will pay the capital gains tax...and then when he dies he will pay an estate tax on the same $$$ he still has...unless, of course, he spends it all.

don't kid yourself. First, his kids would lose the money, not Ralph personally, because obviously his estate tax wouldn't come into play until he dies.

Second, rich people have plenty of legal tax shelters. I'm sure there are plenty of ways he can shelter the majority of the money.

[FlyingDutchman]

Ralph,

Sell the Bills please. Take your half a Billion and find a shady tree to count it all and let the town keep the Bills. WNY'ers are poor and you can cash out now and walk away. We'll build a statue and talk about how nice it was that you sold the team and kept it in Buffalo. The other side of the coin is Art Modell and the cleveland issues, he is well hated there. Be a real sport will ya?

SELL THE TEAM RW, LETS ALL SOUND OFF!!

Isnt this your second thread about this in like two days? Do you just start threads everytime you have a random thought? Get off Ralphs nuts.

[FlyingDutchman]

Oh wait, Im sorry. Your last thread was about Ralphs death. Stop the mental midget crap.

[TigerJ]

I don't know if any of thoe posts on this threat were after the Joel Giambra news conference, but one of the huge concerns about the revenue sharing plan under the new CBA is that when there is a change of ownership, revenue sharing is voided. Translated, that means if Ralph sells, the new owner gets no revenue sharing. That increases the disparity between large market and small market teams and makes it vritually impossible for any new owner to keep the team in Buffalo AND make money. That in turn greatly increases the incentive for any new owner to move the team. Bottom line: be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

[jimbohastle51]

I don't know if any of thoe posts on this threat were after the Joel Giambra news conference, but one of the huge concerns about the revenue sharing plan under the new CBA is that when there is a change of ownership, revenue sharing is voided. Translated, that means if Ralph sells, the new owner gets no revenue sharing. That increases the disparity between large market and small market teams and makes it vritually impossible for any new owner to keep the team in Buffalo AND make money. That in turn greatly increases the incentive for any new owner to move the team. Bottom line: be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

very true tiger. the bottom line is, if galisano buys the team or is willing to buy the team there will be some serious talks between the league and him about how to keep the bills here and make money. anyone who thinks galisano is going to just step in and save the day is wrong, this is more complex than the sabres and very well good me something that if bought could be years before any profit is really turned and that would take one hell of a hometown guy to buy the team and then lose out on millions for a few years. i hope it does happen and galisano makes that comittment and the league understands that the bills are a major part of nfl history and more important than "new franchises" such as jacksonville and carolina and baltimore because of the awesome fans and long great history. (perfect world we get the "packers" deal)

[finsrclowns]

With all the love NE has gotten since Kraft took over as owner, many on this site are not old enough to remember the pre- Kraft days for NE were a study in financial problems, management problems, and general fan apathy. The fact is Buffalo's history up to a decade ago was far more successful than NE's up to that point.

NE had a functional but woefully outdated stadium. RWS looks like the Ritz Carlton in comparison. Billy Sullivan started the Patriots with $10,000 he borrowed from relatives and ran the club on a shoestring for decades without the benefit of a real home stadium. The NFL wasn't the multi billion dollar business it is now, but it was still a business. Sullivan got high marks for loyalty to the team, devotion to the game and perserverance, but low marks on forward thinking and marketing. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? But Billy Sullivan loved the Patriots so much he vowed he would never sell the team. The fact is if his son Chuck had not lost the family millions on a failed Michael Jackson music tour, he would have hung in until he died and then willed the team to his loyal but equally incompetant sons. Sullivan finally sold the Patriots to then Remington shaver magnate Victor Kiam who was also grossly undercapitalized, so much so he couldn't even afford to buy the stadium. Kiam then sold the team to Anheuser Busch billionaire James Orthwein, who tried unsuccessfully to move the team to St. Louis. Orthwein's plans were blocked by Bob Kraft, who had shrewdly purchased the stadium from Billy Sullivan, and held Orthwein to the terms of the long term lease. Orthwein finally sold out to Kraft, and the rest, as they say is history.

It appears to me Ralph Wilson is trying to make excuses for his own incompetance. Sure Buffalo is not a big market, and WNY is not an upscale area, but the fact is owning an NFL team today is basically a license to print money. Ralph has had his run and then some. We all acknowledge his contributions to both the game and to the Bills, which are substantial. But today's rant says to me that the business of football has passed Ralph Wilson by. We can only hope as Bills fans that somehow there is a Bob Kraft in our future. The sooner the better.

That's a very interesting and to me, spot on comparison. Ralph seems like he's losing it. Hopefully his family will talk sense to him and get him to sell before he's eating his lunch with a bib and a dribble cup.

[Mitchy moo]

The league doesn't want a franchise in Buffalo and really never wants Buffalo back in the SB.


When the Bills leave, we will be toast.

[Mitchy moo]

I thought more people would have things to say on this now, i guess not. we are all shocked into relative silence.

[Mitchy moo]

After really thinking about all of this I have decided that RW is a ***hole. I watched my dad lose his lifetime job and my Mom pass away in Buffalo and we had basically nothing special growing up. This ****ing idiot has a $600 Million dollar professional sports franchise that he owns and is complaining about income? How about all the hardluck cases and starving people in Buffalo that go cold everynight in the winter? Do they have a worse problem?

Let's all think about where real problems come into place and what has made us who we are. This ****sucker is calling press conferences to complain about things he still doesn't understand, why? What was the point? I really thought this out and decided that I don't give 2 ***** about what this rich old crotch has to say.

Try to tell my Dad sitting alone / unemployed that RW has a problem. RW has one problem as I see it, he is still here.

[Mitchy moo]

<HR style="COLOR: #f3f3ff" SIZE=1>RW is no good for Buffalo any longer, he said WNYers are poor. We'll no **** daddy warbucks, keep charging us $7 for Beer and $20 to park and $60 for tickets and $5 for a hot dog. We are poor, he was right. He is directly responsible for our poorness, ***wipe.

[Mitchy moo]

If I had his $600M team , I'd learn to shut my mouth. One might think he was being greedy, one might.

[chernobylwraiths]

<HR style="COLOR: #f3f3ff" SIZE=1>RW is no good for Buffalo any longer, he said WNYers are poor. We'll no **** daddy warbucks, keep charging us $7 for Beer and $20 to park and $60 for tickets and $5 for a hot dog. We are poor, he was right. He is directly responsible for our poorness, ***wipe.

Dumb assed post. We have one of the lowest ticket prices in the league. Try again.

Maybe he should double the prices so that he can get more money to sign a big name free agent? :cynic:

[Devin]

Im gonna have to go ahead and say STFU.

Without RW we wouldnt even have a team, much less kept one. During the early 90's he spent a fortune bringing stars here. You fail to realize we have some of the lowest ticket prices in the league.

Seriously I cant even believe you posted this trash.

[shelby]

Skooby, you don't own any firearms, do you?
:scared:

[Dr. Lecter]

How old are you Skooby?

The fact is the ticket prices are the lowest in the league. The parking is $15, ot $20. The food and beer prices are more than comprable to other NFL cities. And without Ralph, this team would have moved years ago.

Before you post your drivel, please do a little research.

[Mitchy moo]

Skooby, you don't own any firearms, do you?
:scared:

Who doesn't?

[Drive 4 Five]

I see your reputation is sinking to new depths with every passing day. If you sink any lower you just may find youreslf in the abyss Skooby. There are no (NO) Skooby snacks down there.

But that is neither here nor there. I find this whole situation very intriguing and my initial reaction was to lash out at the Daniel Snyders and Jerry Jones's of the billionaire boy club. The more I read, the more I am beginning to wonder if all of this is truly self-inflicted on the part of Mr. Wilson.

While you're right, it is silly for a man worth that kind of money to be complaining about anything, it is not his fault the economy there is so poverized. He has a business to run and while no one can and should ever question his loyalty to the fans of that region, he may just be running that business into the ground.

I have long been an avid supporter of Mr. Wilson but my patience with the product he is putting out on the field lately is waning. Would we even be having this discussion if we were among the elite every year? Not. If Ralph wants his business to more equitable then he needs to start making some better decisions to give those loyal fans who made him all those millions, something to cheer about.

While I do not like most of what Mark Weiler writes (wys guy from the AFC East Report.Com) I did find his latest article very interesting. It took about twenty minutes to read and despite what is often said about him in this forum, he is a very intelligent man. Maybe too smart for his own good. I am all about educating myself right now to better undertsand the dynamics of this issuse and I found it worth my time to read the article. If anyone has found nay other good reads PM me please.

[Devin]

Oh for crying out loud...how are you not banned yet.

Hes not complaining about income, his main "issue" is the long term ability to be competitive. Buffalo is a small market in a bad economic area, hes 87 he could probably careless about his own wealth. Get it through your head, its about the team not Ralph.

[Mitchy moo]

How old are you Skooby?

The fact is the ticket prices are the lowest in the league. The parking is $15, ot $20. The food and beer prices are more than comprable to other NFL cities. And without Ralph, this team would have moved years ago.

Before you post your drivel, please do a little research.

I did, RW is $600,000,000 ahead of everyone here. Therefore to give him any measured support of complaining about money is the stupidiest thing in the world.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Who doesn't?

I don't. I don't need any. I'd just take yours right out of your hands and hit you in the head with it. Then maybe your posts would begin to actually indicate constructive thought. Kind of like slapping the back of your old TV set. (of course I'm joking...except the part about your posts)

[Dr. Lecter]

Actually, your first post (with some inaccurate assesments) is the stupidiest thing in the world!

[shelby]

You aren't planning on using your firearms on anyone in the near future i hope?
:whatthe:

You sound like you're plotting to go Columbine on Ralph. Your posts are rather unsettling to read.

[Drive 4 Five]

Who doesn't?

I don't. Freak. But after reading some of your posts today I sure as heck hope Ralph Wilson does. Goodness.

I have a question for you. Can you not consolidate all this into one post? Instead of flooding the board with different versions of the same stuff? I left you a long reply to your first post, go check it out.

[Drive 4 Five]

You aren't planning on using your firearms on anyone in the near future i hope?
:whatthe:

You sound like you're plotting to go Columbine on Ralph. Your posts are rather unsettling to read.

AREN'T THEY? SKOOBY YOU HAVE CHILDREN FOR CRISSAKES. THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN SKOOBY. THE CHILDREN.

[shelby]

Skooby, take a Xanax and step away from the computer.

[Drive 4 Five]

I don't know which is more disturbing, that he is a raving lunatic with a firearm or a raving lunatic with children? A raving lunatic with children and a firearm!! God help us all. Someone please pray for this man. Or sedate him with some permanent mind numbing drugs. Quickly.

[Drive 4 Five]

Skooby, take a Xanax and step away from the computer.

To hell with XANAX, this man should be tagged with an elephant tranquilizer and then needs to be locked up for further evaluation.

[Mitchy moo]

Oh for crying out loud...how are you not banned yet.

Hes not complaining about income, his main "issue" is the long term ability to be competitive. Buffalo is a small market in a bad economic area, hes 87 he could probably careless about his own wealth. Get it through your head, its about the team not Ralph.

Are all of you that brainwashed? Name 5 charities that RW has spent more than $100,000 on? Now name one.

The guy won't spend money anymore & it's making the Bills a 3rd class franchise. If it was about the team he would be selling naming rights & finding new ways of making money.

As per great ticket prices, if we all spend $14 more a ticket would RW pay for us to have a SB contender?

*ell no, He say parking is to cheap & you'd buy that as well.

[Devin]

sigh.

Follow another team then, by all means.

[Drive 4 Five]

The guy won't spend money anymore & it's making the Bills a 3rd class franchise. If it was about the team he would be selling naming rights & finding new ways of making money.

I think Skooby might have a point here.

[RedEyE]

Get this kid off this site.

[Mitchy moo]

Skooby, take a Xanax and step away from the computer.

Would any of you really like to sit down with Ralph for dinner & ask him how much more can one man have?

Could you really sympathize with him?

People live hungry all over Buffalo & the most important thing is how much more income a man woth $600 Million man needs to earn.

Why don't all of you step back, take a xanax and think about your own finances. There now, does RW need your help?

[Devin]

Skooby, take a Xanax and step away from the computer.

Or some Valium.

Then go swimming.

[Mitchy moo]

I think Skooby might have a point here.

Finally, the first person who is thinking outside the box.

If you run your business poorly, that what you'll end doing. The league has done real well & $25,000.00 to $600,000,000.00 is a great return. Please put the sympathy cards on hold for RW, he cares very little about the poor WNYers.

[shelby]

Would any of you really like to sit down with Ralph for dinner & ask him how much more can one man have?

Could you really sympathize with him?

People live hungry all over Buffalo & the most important thing is how much more income a man woth $600 Million man needs to earn.

Why don't all of you step back, take a xanax and think about your own finances. There now, does RW need your help?

i never said he needed my help or anyone else's.

It boggles my mind that you are posting threads in which you wish him dead. You are taking things to the extreme.

Ralph Wilson is not directly responsible for your misfortunes, or those of your family.

And if the Bills leave Buffalo, there will be a :curse:load of hungry people there.

:calm:

[Devin]

Hes officially lost it.

Skooby now joins the illustrious list of BZ posters people just laugh at and neg all the time.

[Drive 4 Five]

Finally, the first person who is thinking outside the box.

If you run your business poorly, that what you'll end doing. The league has done real well & $25,000.00 to $600,000,000.00 is a great return. Please put the sympathy cards on hold for RW, he cares very little about the poor WNYers.

I think the problem is that people allow their personal feelings for you to distort any ability to be rational with you even when you do have a legitimate concern. I have no beef with you Skoob. You drive me nuts sometimes (well alot of the times) and I tease you a bit but I hope you know that it is all in good fun. I never meant to be mean.

[Luisito23]

I see your reputation is sinking to new depths with every passing day. If you sink any lower you just may find youreslf in the abyss Skooby. There are no (NO) Skooby snacks down there.



LMAO...



GO BILLS!!!!

[Dozerdog]

<hr style="color: rgb(243, 243, 255);" size="1">RW is no good for Buffalo any longer, he said WNYers are poor. We'll no **** daddy warbucks, keep charging us $7 for Beer and $20 to park and $60 for tickets and $5 for a hot dog. We are poor, he was right. He is directly responsible for our poorness, ***wipe.It's obvious that skooby never goes to the games if he can't get any of the prices right.


I pay under $40 a game for my seasons. Best deal on tickets and one of the best for parking in the league.

We need a ****** smilie

:thurm:

[Devin]

:bf1:

I dont live in B-LO, but if it kept the Bills in Buffalo id pay an extra 10 even upwards of 20 for a game.

[shelby]

<HR style="COLOR: #f3f3ff" SIZE=1>
RW is no good for Buffalo any longer, he said WNYers are poor. We'll no **** daddy warbucks, keep charging us $7 for Beer and $20 to park and $60 for tickets and $5 for a hot dog. We are poor, he was right. He is directly responsible for our poorness, ***wipe.


It's pretty obvious the Daniel snyder's of the world want their franchises to succeed, they spend all the money to promote the team and get the best players/coaches. RW figures he will pretty much fill the stadium anyways so why spend extra when he can bank it. Sell the naming right to the casino's and get the best staff possible? Oh know lets call it my name stay broke and never move forward. The other owners want to move on and vote yes? I vote no, no I don't want to change.

Sorry, it's time to go Ralph. Your guard duty is over, it's time for the new set of folks. I would now like to introduce the LA Bills.

Do you see the recurrent theme in your posts?
And how would the LA Bills help you and your family?
:scratch:
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[Drive 4 Five]

I think he is saying that despite his gazillions of dollars, he still cannot afford to put a competetive team on the board when the playing field is clearly not level. Is that possible? It could be I guess. I have no idea how much it costs to run a franchise but I do know that it would be hard to be at the bottom tier in this era of free agents and GREED. Talk about greed. What about these players? Why should Ralph have to pay more when his coffers are the smallest or second smallest in the league. Guys like Kraft and Snder and Jones could care less. That is play money to them.

But please Skooby, don't say things like he doesn't care about the fans. There would not be a team in Buffalo if he did not. See those are the kinds of comments that get you in trouble then you wonder why you get the reaction from people you have to constantly endure. He cares more than some of the others I do believe that.

[Luisito23]

:madcurse: :madcurse: Skooby

Gotta let those drugs go yo..:peace:..



GO BILLS!!!!

[Dozerdog]

Merged all Skooby rants into one place

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Your question can be answered easily, because he can.

[Devin]

Lucky us.

[Luisito23]

Glad it's finally Official..:cheers:



GO BILLS!!!!

[Drive 4 Five]

Your question can be answered easily, because he can.

So the issue he has is being disgruntled about essentially having to dish out more than the others because his coffers are smaller in comparison?

You'd think at his age he wouldn't care and would be out spending Daniel Snyder to get the best management and players here to finally get that ring. I cannot stand Snyder and what he represents but do not be surprised if he is holding that damn trophy soon. Disgusting.

[Luisito23]

Snyder might be hated, but what does it matter to Washington..

Wish we spend like them, :curse: I wish..




GO BILLS!!!!

[Drive 4 Five]

Snyder might be hated, but what does it matter to Washington..

Wish we spend like them, :curse: I wish..




GO BILLS!!!!

There is much more to building a winning team than just spending but you're rigth, I wish he would. Old man will be dead soon you'd think he didn't care and would do whatever it took.

[dolfan25]

Lord knows that I am not a fan of the Bills but I don't think Buffalo will be without an NFL team for long even if the Bills do move. I heard on NFL Radio (I'm pretty sure it was an interview with Tagliabue)that if an existing team is relocated to LA than the NFL is probably going to try and make it a Baltimore/Cleveland situation, where the city might be without a team for a few years but will be ensured that a new franchise(I would assume with the same name)will be put in place a few years later.

I hate the Bills but I wouldn't wish a lost franchise on anyone.
Not sure if this info was already posted but posting it anyways
Lastly I also think Skooby is a little off(Even for a Bills fan)

[The_Philster]

Lord knows that I am not a fan of the Bills but I don't think Buffalo will be without an NFL team for long even if the Bills do move. I heard on NFL Radio (I'm pretty sure it was an interview with Tagliabue)that if an existing team is relocated to LA than the NFL is probably going to try and make it a Baltimore/Cleveland situation, where the city might be without a team for a few years but will be ensured that a new franchise(I would assume with the same name)will be put in place a few years later.

I hate the Bills but I wouldn't wish a lost franchise on anyone.
Not sure if this info was already posted but posting it anyways
Lastly I also think Skooby is a little off(Even for a Bills fan)
If that new franchise doesn't get a cut of revenue sharing, then that team wouldn't stay long

[shelby]

Merged all Skooby rants into one place
Thanks....i'm exhausted from wading through all this :curse:...
:whatthe:

[BillsFever21]

The Redskins might not have gotten anywhere from their signings yet but at least Snydyer is doing everything possible to put a good product on the field.

He's not afraid to pay for the top coaches or pay for the best players. They have just signed the wrong players.

You can't fault an owner for trying to win. They haven't won anything worth a damn yet but at least he is trying and will continue to try. He won't just make a run for it and if it doesn't work out save some money for a few years and then try another run for it.

[Mitchy moo]

Let me ask all of you some questions:

1.) Does RW do everything he can financially to secure us a winning team?

2.) With RW being one of the wealthiest people in the area, can you name all the charities that he has donated to?

3.) Suprises come to those who don't plan. If RW won't sell the team and doesn't know if he is going to give it to his family, who is going to handle it when he is gone?

4.) Have any of you heard or seen RW himself near childrens hospital or
with sick children?

Please spare me the good of the community lecture & what he has done for it. RW is selfish & obviously greedy. How dare he say WNY & poor in the same sentence, who the **** does he think he is? Is he is going to do anything to help the team become a winner? He sat there watched the area become poor & did nothing to help or prevent it. If you want to give credit, give it for his nepotism.

Thanks for the past RW, the poor WNYers would like & deserve to know our future about the Bills.

[Dozerdog]

Let me ask all of you some questions:

1.) Does RW do everything he can financially to secure us a winning team?

2.) With RW being one of the wealthiest people in the area, can you name all the charities that he has donated to?

3.) Suprises come to those who don't plan. If RW won't sell the team and doesn't know if he is going to give it to his family, who is going to handle it when he is gone?

4.) Have any of you heard or seen RW himself near childrens hospital or
with sick children?

Please spare me the good of the community lecture & what he has done for it. RW is selfish & obviously greedy. How dare he say WNY & poor in the same sentence, who the **** does he think he is? Is he is going to do anything to help the team become a winner? He sat there watched the area become poor & did nothing to help or prevent it. If you want to give credit, give it for his nepotism.

Thanks for the past RW, the poor WNYers would like & deserve to know our future about the Bills. Do you hang out with sick kids?

WTF does that have to do with anything? Want to get on RW's case for not naming the stadium or getting aggressive in finding revenue- then you have an argument.


The rest of that post is insignificant dog crap.

[Mr. Pink]

Dozer can we merge Skooby with a working brain?
:rofl:

I apologize, I know I'll get chastised for that one.

[patmoran2006]

Let me ask all of you some questions:

1.) Does RW do everything he can financially to secure us a winning team?

2.) With RW being one of the wealthiest people in the area, can you name all the charities that he has donated to?

3.) Suprises come to those who don't plan. If RW won't sell the team and doesn't know if he is going to give it to his family, who is going to handle it when he is gone?

4.) Have any of you heard or seen RW himself near childrens hospital or
with sick children?

Please spare me the good of the community lecture & what he has done for it. RW is selfish & obviously greedy. How dare he say WNY & poor in the same sentence, who the **** does he think he is? Is he is going to do anything to help the team become a winner? He sat there watched the area become poor & did nothing to help or prevent it. If you want to give credit, give it for his nepotism.

Thanks for the past RW, the poor WNYers would like & deserve to know our future about the Bills.

What a ******ed thing to say.

I happen to know for a FACT RAlph Wilson has done a TON for charity and this community.

Some of us are very FRUSTRATED by what he did and what's going on.. I dont think anybody in here has EVER doubted his sincerity to this community...Except for you right now.

Brilliant..

[Mitchy moo]

What a ******ed thing to say.

I happen to know for a FACT RAlph Wilson has done a TON for charity and this community.

Some of us are very FRUSTRATED by what he did and what's going on.. I dont think anybody in here has EVER doubted his sincerity to this community...Except for you right now.

Brilliant..

If you think a man worth $708 + Million complaining about an income is sincere, you have all lost your mind.

[Mitchy moo]

How can you all buy that this guy is hurting, is he taking a loss? Is there something I am missing here?

Maybe he doesn't make as much money as other teams but he isn't losing money either, is he?

[Mitchy moo]

Wow, maybe the smartest man in Buffalo. Please elect his governor and you'll have a much better state.

And is he just asking us to increase his profit,” asked DeBenedetti.

"I love football. I go to games. I love sports. What I dislike intensely is private greed. And that's what this is all about. If he can prove to me that he's losing money, I'll personally apologize to him. I don't think I'm ever going to have to worry about that," said DeBenedetti.

This is all about RW making more on the poor WNYers.

http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=36830

[Devin]

:ill:

You dont get it, hes not complaining about personal wealth hes saying the team cant be competitive in this market under the new CBA. Hes not talking about a hit to his own wallet.

Whatever im done with these ignorant post. Id Neg you but you only appear to create worst posts the furthur into the red you go.

Not that your green rep posts were anything to write home about.

[Dr. Lecter]

DeBenedetti is a fool. Anybody that has any clue about Erie County politics knows that.

[Mitchy moo]

DeBenedetti is a fool. Anybody that has any clue about Erie County politics knows that.

He knows business & a liar when he sees one, those are better attributes.

[The_Philster]

He knows business & a liar when he sees one, those are better attributes.
and your proof that Ralph is lying is where, exactly? :rolleyes:

[Mitchy moo]

Ralph Wilson bought the Buffalo Bills for $25,000 as an expansion franchise in the American Football League. Today, give or take a million, he could sell his team for about $750 million US. He has made his money, your money, my money, and just about everyone else's money over the life of the franchise. His whining, that the Bills are in financial peril, is groundless and annoying.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/NFL/2006/04/09/1527127-sun.html

[Dozerdog]

Funny you call Ralph Wilson's comments groundless and annoying.

Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black?

[The_Philster]

and Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun has access to the CBA documents :rolleyes: How's he "the educated"?

[!Papacrunk!]

lol, shouldn't this be in your "special" thread?

[Mr. Pink]

lol, shouldn't this be in your "special" thread?


:rofl:

like I said before, we need to merge skooby with a working brain.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Ralph Wilson bought the Buffalo Bills for $25,000 as an expansion franchise in the American Football League. Today, give or take a million, he could sell his team for about $750 million US. He has made his money, your money, my money, and just about everyone else's money over the life of the franchise. His whining, that the Bills are in financial peril, is groundless and annoying.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/NFL/2006/04/09/1527127-sun.html


Sure the franchise is going to be fine, but it's viability as a franchise in the city of Buffalo is what is in question as it stands. C'mon Skooby....stop trying to pretend "your posts" are intelligent. Admit that "your posts" aren't the sharpest "pieces of written language." Worthless yet again.

Set to ignore

[camelcowboy]

Skooby put your helmet back on and face the corner

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Funny you call Ralph Wilson's comments groundless and annoying.

Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black?




:rofl:

[Mitchy moo]

Sure the franchise is going to be fine, but it's viability as a franchise in the city of Buffalo is what is in question as it stands. C'mon Skooby....stop trying to pretend "your posts" are intelligent. Admit that "your posts" aren't the sharpest "pieces of written language." Worthless yet again.

Set to ignore

Many of you are repeating things I wrote about ralph 3-4 weeks ago. Funny how I knew this BS was coming and complained about it way before everyone. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Even Ice thinks it's better that RW is no longer around, humm.

[The_Philster]

Many of you are repeating things I wrote about ralph 3-4 weeks ago. Funny how I knew this BS was coming and complained about it way before everyone. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Even Ice thinks it's better that RW is no longer around, humm.
many people kill themselves too...doesn't make it a smart thing to do

[ICE74129]

many people kill themselves too...doesn't make it a smart thing to do

Like it wasn't smart for Ralph to shoot his mouth off

[The_Philster]

Like it wasn't smart for Ralph to shoot his mouth off
in your opinion, maybe...maybe it'd be better had he kept from saying anything and the league ratified that agreement and when the Bills get sold after Ralph passes away and have to move...you could keep from *****ing about it because it wouldn't be smart to shoot your mouth off :rolleyes:

[Mitchy moo]

Like it wasn't smart for Ralph to shoot his mouth off

No it was really wasn't.

[Mitchy moo]

and your proof that Ralph is lying is where, exactly? :rolleyes:

The loss of money to keep the bills here is a start. Like the guy said, open the books RW, let's see these "losses".

[SABURZFAN]

and Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun has access to the CBA documents :rolleyes: How's he "the educated"?


i bet Mark Weiler cut through the bull and filled him in. :up:

[The_Philster]

I've yet to see anything where Ralph says they're losing money in the present. The future, if that revenue sharing loophole is in place, there's no way the Bills will remain profitable in Buffalo once Ralph passes away...yet you wanted him dead, didn't you? :coocoo:

[Forward_Lateral]

So, because Ralph bought the team for next to nothing, and turned it into a near billion dollar entity, he doesn't have a right to complain about the CBA, and the state of the league? That's a good one.

[shelby]

:blah:
Skooby, you need to find something new to rant about.
:deadhorse

[The_Philster]

:blah:
Skooby, you need to find something new to rant about.
:deadhorse
the price of gasoline is a good topic :idunno:

[socalfan]

the price of gasoline is a good topic :idunno:


Skooby seems to be too young to drive...he probably wouldn't be able to contribute much to that topic.

[chernobylwraiths]

Even Ice thinks it's better that RW is no longer around, humm.

Now THERE'S a ringing indorsement for ya. Add Pat Moran and you have a winning trifecta there.

[PromoTheRobot]

Here is an explanation for the "educated."

Ralph is not asking for more money, or a new stadium, or anything from the taxpayers or fans. All he wants is the NFL not to make it impossible to operate the Bills in Buffalo. He's asking for political help to lobby the NFL not to screw small-market teams like the Bills. That's all.

If your brain is overheating from the complexity of this explanation, lie down and apply a cold compress.

PTR

[ParanoidAndroid]

Now THERE'S a ringing indorsement for ya. Add Pat Moran and you have a winning trifecta there.

:laughing:

[Mitchy moo]

The real reason that Wilson is whining about the CBA is because it will cost him 100 million dollars when he sells the team, because of the qualifiers. Will he raise ticket prices, yes...will he raise concessions, yes, and now he has the excuses to do it. If you look at the history of this owner, he is one of the most frugal in the NFL, he never pays for a name coach, and the Bills have a track record of letting name players go instead of paying them going back to the days of J.D. Hill (remember him). So get ready for the increases.

What confuses me is what an 87 year-old needs with an extra 100 million when the franchise is worth 600 million now. I really wish he would sell it to Golisano now and let him have a run with it...but it is in his nature not to sell it at a discount, if it is worth 700 million with revenue sharing, then Wilson will not take a dime less than 700 million, because that is the nature of the man, anyone who has dealt with him for 20 or 30 years knows this is absolutely accurate.

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[Dozerdog]

More of the same thread, different day Skooby rant.


Merged

[Night Train]

Some people like sticking their hand in a fire, yelling " Ouch " , then repeating the same mindless blunder every few seconds without ever learning a thing.

Welcome to Skooby World.

[Gunzlingr]

The real reason that Wilson is whining about the CBA is because it will cost him 100 million dollars when he sells the team, because of the qualifiers. Will he raise ticket prices, yes...will he raise concessions, yes, and now he has the excuses to do it. If you look at the history of this owner, he is one of the most frugal in the NFL, he never pays for a name coach, and the Bills have a track record of letting name players go instead of paying them going back to the days of J.D. Hill (remember him). So get ready for the increases.

What confuses me is what an 87 year-old needs with an extra 100 million when the franchise is worth 600 million now. I really wish he would sell it to Golisano now and let him have a run with it...but it is in his nature not to sell it at a discount, if it is worth 700 million with revenue sharing, then Wilson will not take a dime less than 700 million, because that is the nature of the man, anyone who has dealt with him for 20 or 30 years knows this is absolutely accurate.

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I bet you have had a lot of dealings with him while waiting on him at Denny's.

[Mitchy moo]

You have to give Ralph Wilson credit for this much: When he goes on the attack, he doesn't fool around. This past week, the Buffalo Bills owner has run his own version of the no-huddle offense, a one-man lobbying effort on behalf of the NFL's small-market franchises.
First, Wilson brought his case to the Governor, enlisting George E. Pataki in the fight to convince the league to share more local revenue with the small-market clubs. Last Friday, Wilson held a news conference to sound the alarm - with County Executive Joel A. Giambra reinforcing the message in a separate gathering.
Finally, Wilson and Sen. Charles E. Schumer conducted a joint conference on Sunday. Schumer said he would contact small-market owners in other cities, and promised to recruit Buffalo icons Tim Russert and Jack Kemp in the cause. Wilson even tried the most unprecedented play of all. He didn't rule out the prospect of moving the Bills. That's right, moving them. Doing the Art Modell/Robert Irsay shuffle to another city.

http://buffalonews.com/editorial/20060410/1045871.asp

[FlyingDutchman]

One day youre writing a thread about how he has to go, the next day youre praising him. Are you going to write another post the next time you get a random thought or feel like regergetating information already known?

[Mitchy moo]

One day youre writing a thread about how he has to go, the next day youre praising him. Are you going to write another post the next time you get a random thought or feel like regergetating information already known?

My personal feelings & the reposting of information is 2 different things.

[ICE74129]

Are you saying you want Ralph Wilson dead? :negrep: :mad:
That's not even halfway funny :down:

No the first option is for ralph to do the right thing and sell.

[Mitchy moo]

No the first option is for ralph to do the right thing and sell.

Though RW Croaking would handle it as well.

[Bill Brasky]

He gouges the fans; everyone hates him.

When Joe Gibbs coached the Foreskins the first time, Jack Kent Cooke was the owner, not Snyder.

Ralph is one of the most respected owners in the league; Snyder is one of the most hated. Period.

So then why can't any of the other owners stand up against the guy... or even the fans.

Fans speak louder than anybody, IMO. If the Redskin faithful were to stand up and voice their concerns, it would accomplish something.

[Mitchy moo]

So then why can't any of the other owners stand up against the guy... or even the fans.

Fans speak louder than anybody, IMO. If the Redskin faithful were to stand up and voice their concerns, it would accomplish something.

You maybe right but they have a owner that wants to buy a winner. He is paying for the best coaches, assistants and doing everything he can to make it happen. What amazes me is he cannot even reach the playoffs even when throwing all the money out.