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  • Mahdi
    Registered User
    • Mar 2004
    • 10585
    #1

    #8 pick over last 20 years...

    Here are the #8 overall picks since 1986:


    1986: San Diego: Leslie O'Neal DE Oklahoma state

    1987:Buffalo: Shane Conlan MLB Penn State

    1988: N.Y. Jets : Dave Cadigan G Southern California

    1989: San Diego: Burt Grossman DE Pittsburgh

    1990: New England: Chris Singleton ILB Arizona

    1991: Philadelphia: Antone Davis T Tennessee

    1992: Atlanta: Bob Whitfield T Stanford

    1993: New Orleans: Willie Roaf T Louisiana Tech

    1994: Seattle: Sam Adams DT Texas A&M

    1995: Seattle: Joey Galloway WR Ohio State

    1996: Carolina: Tim Biakabutuka RB Michigan

    1997: N.Y. Jets: James Farrior ILB Virginia

    1998: Dallas: Greg Ellis DE North Carolina

    1999: Arizona: David Boston WR Ohio State

    2000: Pittsburgh: Plaxico Burress WR Michigan State

    2001: Chicago: David Terrell WR Michigan

    2002: Dallas: Roy Williams SS Oklahoma

    2003: Carolina: Jordan Gross T Utah

    2004: Atlanta: DeAngelo Hall CB Virginia Tech

    2005: Arizona: Antrel Rolle CB Miami

    Sam Adams (Ngata), Roy Williams (Huff), Willie Roaf (Justice/Ferguson), DeAngelo Hall (Jimmy Williams), Shane Conlan (AJ Hawk, although Hawk is most likely going to be better) If the players from this draft end up the same caliber as the one next to them who would you rather have?
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  • lordofgun
    in charge of you

    Administrator Emeritus
    • Jul 2002
    • 48416
    #2
    Re: #8 pick over last 20 years...







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    • ICE74129
      Legendary Zoner
      • Feb 2005
      • 10796
      #3
      Re: #8 pick over last 20 years...

      wow, how many probowlers in there?

      5 OLine

      4 DL

      3 LB's

      4 WR's

      1 RB

      2 CB's

      1 SS

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      • LtFinFan66
        Registered User
        • Mar 2005
        • 47199
        #4
        Re: #8 pick over last 20 years...

        Not too many greats there. Several bust apparently?
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        • Mahdi
          Registered User
          • Mar 2004
          • 10585
          #5
          Re: #8 pick over last 20 years...

          Originally posted by LtFinFan66
          Not too many greats there. Several bust apparently?
          15 of them have been starters in this league, at least 8 have been pro-bowlers. Im not sure about Greg Ellis, but even if he hasnt been to a probowl, he has been a solid contributor.

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          • LtFinFan66
            Registered User
            • Mar 2005
            • 47199
            #6
            Re: #8 pick over last 20 years...

            Ok, I didn't recognize 1/2 the names on that list. I will take your word for it. David Terrell probably started at some time and he would still be a bust IMO. Starting doesn't save you from bust status. Ryan Leaf started afterall. Clearly being a probowler would be good
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            • Mahdi
              Registered User
              • Mar 2004
              • 10585
              #7
              Re: #8 pick over last 20 years...

              Originally posted by LtFinFan66
              Ok, I didn't recognize 1/2 the names on that list. I will take your word for it. David Terrell probably started at some time and he would still be a bust IMO. Starting doesn't save you from bust status. Ryan Leaf started afterall. Clearly being a probowler would be good
              yeah I didnt include Terrell as a starter though, as well as Biakabatuka, Singleton, Cadigan and Boston although he did start but he was a bust after 2 years so I dont count him.

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              • ICE74129
                Legendary Zoner
                • Feb 2005
                • 10796
                #8
                Re: #8 pick over last 20 years...

                Originally posted by LtFinFan66
                Not too many greats there. Several bust apparently?
                There are about 11-12 probowlers on that list. 50% isn't that bad considering ALL first round picks that have been busts over the years.
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                • ICE74129
                  Legendary Zoner
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 10796
                  #9
                  Re: #8 pick over last 20 years...

                  Originally posted by Mahdi
                  15 of them have been starters in this league, at least 8 have been pro-bowlers. Im not sure about Greg Ellis, but even if he hasnt been to a probowl, he has been a solid contributor.
                  Yeah and I see two studs at Tackle (but some poster says you don't take OT's with a top 10 pick). One of which has been an all world LT.
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                  • Mahdi
                    Registered User
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 10585
                    #10
                    Re: #8 pick over last 20 years...

                    Originally posted by ICE74129
                    Yeah and I see two studs at Tackle (but some poster says you don't take OT's with a top 10 pick). One of which has been an all world LT.
                    You can defninitely take an OT in the top ten. I think the reason people dont want an OT in the first round is because D'brick is most likely gone, and there is believed to be a big drop-off between him and the next guy Justice (which may or may not be accurate), while we can select a player at the top of his positional class like Davis, Huff, Hawk, or Bunkley.

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                    • Saratoga Slim
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 4154
                      #11
                      Re: #8 pick over last 20 years...

                      8 looks like a lucky number. lets hope we keep it going!
                      Wake up, brush your teeth, and get ready for a day of hating the Dolphins. Or the Pats? How to choose?

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                      • Throne Logic
                        Terry Tate - Outside Linebacker
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 2052
                        #12
                        Re: #8 pick over last 20 years...

                        Originally posted by Mahdi
                        You can defninitely take an OT in the top ten. I think the reason people dont want an OT in the first round is because D'brick is most likely gone, and there is believed to be a big drop-off between him and the next guy Justice (which may or may not be accurate), while we can select a player at the top of his positional class like Davis, Huff, Hawk, or Bunkley.

                        To be complete honest, I flat out don't like ANY picks in the top 10. The risk / reward factor is just too poor.

                        If you're going to pay someone top 10 money, you want a probowl calibre starter within 2 years to justify the CAP space. OT's, as a whole, take longer to adapt to the NFL level than other positions.

                        For instance, there are a number of posters on this board who won't be all too surprised if Mike Williams finally finds his potential in a Jax uniform. We draft him, train him, take up our CAP space with him, and let him go be productive for someone else. No, I didn't want him in Buffalo in 2006 for $10 M. I would have happily kept him here if he were somehow retained in the area $2 M or less.

                        I'd love to see the breakdown of OT's taken in the top 10 over the past 20 years.

                        My feeling is that there are more non-probowlers than probowlers on that list. Of those probowlers, I'd like to further breakdown their careers to see when they reached their probowl level. I might be wrong, but I don't think so. If someone has extra time, please feel free to prove my thinking to be in error.
                        Still searching for that offensive rhythm.

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                        • Mahdi
                          Registered User
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 10585
                          #13
                          Re: #8 pick over last 20 years...

                          Paul Gruber (solid tackle that should have went to pro-bowl but the Bucs sucked)
                          Tony Mandarich (BUST)
                          Richmond Webb (7 pro-bowls)
                          Charles McRae (BUST)
                          Antone Davis (Solid tackle, no pro-bowls)
                          Bob Whitfield (1 Probowl, but was always a solid tackle)
                          Ray Roberts( Good tackle, nothing special)
                          Willie Roaf (11 PB)
                          Lincoln Kennedy (2 PB, should have been more)
                          Tony Boselli (5 PB)
                          Jonathan Ogden (9 PB)
                          Willie Anderson ( 3 PB)
                          Orlando Pace (7 PB)
                          Walter Jones ( 5 PB)
                          Kyle Turley
                          Chris Samuels (2 PB)
                          Leonard Davis (no pro-bowls but good and getting better when healthy)
                          Mike Williams ( 4 PB)
                          Bryant McKinnie ( Solid starter, could be a PB)
                          Levi Jones (Very good tackle, and would be a PB if not for the great tackles in AFC)
                          Jordan Gross (No PB, solid starter)
                          Robert Gallery (Jury is still out on him)

                          10 of 22 are Pro-Bowlers, Turley would be if healthy, Levi Jones should be. So really 12 of 22 are Pro-Bowlers/Pro-bowl caliber

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                          • ICE74129
                            Legendary Zoner
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 10796
                            #14
                            Re: #8 pick over last 20 years...

                            Originally posted by Mahdi
                            Paul Gruber (solid tackle that should have went to pro-bowl but the Bucs sucked)
                            Tony Mandarich (BUST)
                            Richmond Webb (7 pro-bowls)
                            Charles McRae (BUST)
                            Antone Davis (Solid tackle, no pro-bowls)
                            Bob Whitfield (1 Probowl, but was always a solid tackle)
                            Ray Roberts( Good tackle, nothing special)
                            Willie Roaf (11 PB)
                            Lincoln Kennedy (2 PB, should have been more)
                            Tony Boselli (5 PB)
                            Jonathan Ogden (9 PB)
                            Willie Anderson ( 3 PB)
                            Orlando Pace (7 PB)
                            Walter Jones ( 5 PB)
                            Kyle Turley
                            Chris Samuels (2 PB)
                            Leonard Davis (no pro-bowls but good and getting better when healthy)
                            Mike Williams ( 4 PB)
                            Bryant McKinnie ( Solid starter, could be a PB)
                            Levi Jones (Very good tackle, and would be a PB if not for the great tackles in AFC)
                            Jordan Gross (No PB, solid starter)
                            Robert Gallery (Jury is still out on him)

                            10 of 22 are Pro-Bowlers, Turley would be if healthy, Levi Jones should be. So really 12 of 22 are Pro-Bowlers/Pro-bowl caliber
                            Dude, Fat Mike Williams NEVER made a probowl.
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                            • Mahdi
                              Registered User
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 10585
                              #15
                              Re: #8 pick over last 20 years...

                              Originally posted by ICE74129
                              Dude, Fat Mike Williams NEVER made a probowl.
                              LOL. that was a joke, was waiting to see who would pick that up!
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