Marv and Modraks draft comments

**Philagape** · 04-21-2006, 06:15 PM

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**ICE74129** · 04-21-2006, 06:27 PM

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Are you less likely to take a skill position player if one slips instead of offensive or defensive lineman in light of what happened to your lines last year?

TM: "First, we do need to address the offensive and defensive lines. When we made those picks they were made based on talent and people we liked and for need at the time. I don't know that the process of trying to rebuild your offensive and defensive lines ever ends in terms of adding people to it. You've got four or five on the field all the time and you're always in a rotation situation particularly on the defensive line. That's a fair assumption that we want to get better and add to them."

There is all you need to know. Looks like with Marv and TM running it we can finally draft like a football team that has a clue.

BTW V Davis CAN help the OL with his blocking. So yeah, IF he is there and we don't have a trade down I can possibly see it. But I bet we have trade offers out the wazoo if Davis is there.

It also seems to me a trade down is possible but only a few slots to still address the lines. Seems DT is Tops on their list with our 2nd rounder being a OL.

**Patti120** · 04-21-2006, 06:27 PM

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Good info!!!!

**X-Era** · 04-21-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by ICE74129

Are you less likely to take a skill position player if one slips instead of offensive or defensive lineman in light of what happened to your lines last year?

TM: "First, we do need to address the offensive and defensive lines. When we made those picks they were made based on talent and people we liked and for need at the time. I don't know that the process of trying to rebuild your offensive and defensive lines ever ends in terms of adding people to it. You've got four or five on the field all the time and you're always in a rotation situation particularly on the defensive line. That's a fair assumption that we want to get better and add to them."

There is all you need to know. Looks like with Marv and TM running it we can finally draft like a football team that has a clue.

BTW V Davis CAN help the OL with his blocking. So yeah, IF he is there and we don't have a trade down I can possibly see it. But I bet we have trade offers out the wazoo if Davis is there.

It also seems to me a trade down is possible but only a few slots to still address the lines. Seems DT is Tops on their list with our 2nd rounder being a OL.

Agree it does look that way.

I just hope us fans can realize that its all a crap shoot and that even if the pick is, say, Ngata. Any, "I think thats a dumb pick", instantly goes away after the first Ngata blast through the line for a sack!

I hope we can get behind whoever they draft and enjoy what should be a helluva player, at WHATEVER position.

**ICE74129** · 04-21-2006, 06:33 PM

Re: Marv and Modraks draft comments

Are you less likely to take a skill position player if one slips instead of offensive or defensive lineman in light of what happened to your lines last year?

TM: "First, we do need to address the offensive and defensive lines.

Lines, lines and more lines. Then everyone else gets better

**X-Era** · 04-21-2006, 06:56 PM

Re: Marv and Modraks draft comments

Originally posted by ICE74129

Are you less likely to take a skill position player if one slips instead of offensive or defensive lineman in light of what happened to your lines last year?

TM: "First, we do need to address the offensive and defensive lines.

Lines, lines and more lines. Then everyone else gets better

OK, it has to be said and then Im done.

Mike Williams- didnt do jack, 1st rounder for us.
Jonas Jennings- 3rd rounder, finally played decent in his last year, earned a big contract and left.
Jason Peters- undrafted, finally playing decent and about to enter a contract year.
Esposito- day two guy- sucks
Geisenger- day two guy- sucks
McFarland- day two guy- sucks

Bannan- day two guy- sucks
Edwards- 3rd rounder (I think)- sucks
Anderson- day two guy- sucks
Schobel- 2nd rounder- decent
Kelsay- 2nd rounder- semi decent
Denney- 2nd rounder- sucks

Our track record on addressing lines, lines, and more lines is pathetic, and you want to keep going?

FA for proven players? yes. We didnt do that.

But what reason do WE have for thinking ANY OL or DL pick from ANY round drafted by this team will turn out to be worth a damn and stay with us when they actually develop into something good?

**ICE74129** · 04-21-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by jp-era

OK, it has to be said and then Im done.

Mike Williams- didnt do jack, 1st rounder for us.
Jonas Jennings- 3rd rounder, finally played decent in his last year, earned a big contract and left.
Jason Peters- undrafted, finally playing decent and about to enter a contract year.
Esposito- day two guy- sucks
Geisenger- day two guy- sucks
McFarland- day two guy- sucks

Bannan- day two guy- sucks
Edwards- 3rd rounder (I think)- sucks
Anderson- day two guy- sucks
Schobel- 2nd rounder- decent
Kelsay- 2nd rounder- semi decent
Denney- 2nd rounder- sucks

Our track record on addressing lines, lines, and more lines is pathetic, and you want to keep going?

FA for proven players? yes. We didnt do that.

But what reason do WE have for thinking ANY OL or DL pick from ANY round drafted by this team will turn out to be worth a damn and stay with us when they actually develop into something good?

Lines lines and more lines. ONE First round talent on that list...ONE and it was a bad pick. Who made those picks? A GM with a BAD RECORD picking linemen, even in pittsburgh.

And you just proved my point. TAKE THE BEST TALENT AVAILABLE on the lines.

**Philagape** · 04-21-2006, 07:02 PM

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Past choices have ZERO relevance. ZERO.

The Bengals had several high QB busts before they hit with Palmer.

Crappy drafting at a position only makes that position more of a need. It's beyond insane to stop trying. Worst argument ever.

**ICE74129** · 04-21-2006, 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by Philagape

Past choices have ZERO relevance. ZERO.

The Bengals had several high QB busts before they hit with Palmer.

Crappy drafting at a position only makes that position more of a need. It's beyond insane to stop trying. Worst argument ever.

P, understand we are dealing with the Madden Gen and a bunch of kids that want flash and listen to kiper, instead of understanding football.

No matter what year, generation, no matter how the game changes...LINES are the key to winning football. Marv already said, Lines when he got here. He tried hard to get a 2nd DT, A LG and a LT so those needs would be addressed in Free agency and we couldn't do it.

So now we draft them.

**X-Era** · 04-21-2006, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by ICE74129

P, understand we are dealing with the Madden Gen and a bunch of kids that want flash and listen to kiper, instead of understanding football.

No matter what year, generation, no matter how the game changes...LINES are the key to winning football. Marv already said, Lines when he got here. He tried hard to get a 2nd DT, A LG and a LT so those needs would be addressed in Free agency and we couldn't do it.

So now we draft them.

I have been a draft fan for the past decade and have watched and recorded EVERY pick in the past 6 years.

I am FAR from a gen anything or a Madden anything either.

I have no problem with drafting a DT with the 8 pick. I merely make the point that we have many needs. A point you avoided.

So, unlike you, ICE, I wont be here complaining and starting a zillion threads trashing the Bills if we DONT draft a lineman at 8.

In my experience this many years, teams make questionable moves on draft day that often pay big dividends but also sometimes blow up in there face.

Furthermore, I find that the draft SHOULD in fact be run such that you take best available because there are so many ways to improve your team and fill needs. Be it, FA, trades, late offseason cuts, or simply trusting in some young guys. Its SO funny to me how excited some people get over teams "having" to have this or that only to watch them draft something different and go on to have success.

There is NO fool proof plan to the draft, ICE. Instead of drafting lines, lines, and more lines, you should DO lines, lines, and more lines, you will have a better time than trying to predict who will make your team better.

I dont believe for ONE second that ALL this team needs is O and D lineman. Nor, do I think for one second that the Bills will follow your master plan. They will make picks that make sense to them, and inthe long run, I will be flat out blown away if you can look back on thsi draft or any other as THE draft that put us in the SuperBowl. It doesnt happen in one year, or in one phase of the offseason. Hence, solely addressing the lines and placing ALL your eggs in that basket is a foolish way to proceed based on the mounds of evidence that NFL GM's can look at as far as teams success and how they got there.

Take the best damn players that seem the most likely to make an impact for YOUR team. Thats it, plain and simple.

Forget the lines? NO, never said that. Address them adequately? yes absolutely. Go hell bent into the draft think your lines are all you need? foolish.

**Iehoshua** · 04-21-2006, 07:58 PM

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...and watch them draft someone totally different!

Nothing can be believed right now...

**ct bills fan** · 04-21-2006, 08:06 PM

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Schobel is only decent - come on now??

**X-Era** · 04-21-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by ct bills fan

Schobel is only decent - come on now??

He isnt a star yet. But back to back double digit sack years is decent. Would you call Derrick Burgess a star? Yet he led the league in sacks last year.

Schobel is a young, proven, pass rusher. But until he breaks 15-18 sacks in a year, I wouldnt put him as a star.

If decent is a touch understated, and your looking for something like a very good player, I would agree. But I would fall short of labeling him a star.

**John Doe** · 04-21-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by ct bills fan

Schobel is only decent - come on now??

Bannan did not do too poorly with his new contract.

At least one NFL talent evaluator thought that he didn't "suck."

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