Why Losman is a worse QB then Leaf

[TacklingDummy]

Ryan Leaf might have been a good QB if he had the talent JP Losman had around him his 1st year. Losman was in alot better situation then what Leaf was. And Leaf was on a 4-12 team the prevouis year compared to Losman who's team was 9-7 and 1 win away from the playoffs the prevouis year.

QB Losman
RB McGahee
WR Evans
WR Moulds

QB Leaf
RB Means
WR Charlie Jones
WR Bryan Still
WR Mikheal Ricks

That's what I don't get about when people want to compare Losman to other QBs. Losman had alot more talent around him then other QBs that were Busts.

People want to compare Losman to Elway, well Elway his first year didn't have the talent around him that Losman had.

QB Elway
RB by committee: Sammy Winder, Dave Preston, Gerald Willhite, Nathan Poole
WR: Rick Upchurch
WR: Steve Watson
WR: Zack Thomas

And OMG, People want to compare Losman to Favre and Mannings first year. Their first year numbers will be better then anything JP does in his entire career.

So in conclusion, JP had talent around him to succeed. But yet he dropped the ball.

[The_Philster]

Re: Why Losman is a worse QB then Leaf

First of all, Losman hasn't been compared to any of those QBs...their names are brought up as a history lesson for those who aren't bright enough to remember that first-year QBs almost never produce that first year.
Secondly, Leaf was a head case...made enemies with everyone on the team as well as the fans...Losman's nothing like that.

[TacklingDummy]

Re: Why Losman is a worse QB then Leaf

Leaf was a head case...made enemies with everyone on the team as well as the fans...Losman's nothing like that.

According to Ice, Losman wasn't liked by Milloy, Moulds, Adams.

[The_Philster]

Re: Why Losman is a worse QB then Leaf

According to Ice, Losman wasn't liked by Milloy, Moulds, Adams.

1...I really couldn't care less what ICE says
2...3 players doesn't equal everyone by any means

[ICE74129]

Re: Why Losman is a worse QB then Leaf

According to Ice, Losman wasn't liked by Milloy, Moulds, Adams.

he wasn't. They led a revolt against him. Who is still here, who is gone.

[TacklingDummy]

Re: Why Losman is a worse QB then Leaf

First of all, Losman hasn't been compared to any of those QBs...their names are brought up as a history lesson for those who aren't bright enough to remember that first-year QBs almost never produce that first year.

Peyton Manning produced.
Brett Favre also did.
Tom Brady
Big Ben
Michael Vick.
Jim Kelly
Dan Marino
Jake Delhomme (1st year as starter)
Daunte Culpepper

Wow, looking back on all these good QBs 1st year starting really opens my eyes. Losman is terrible.

[TacklingDummy]

Re: Why Losman is a worse QB then Leaf

2...3 players doesn't equal everyone by any means

Im sure it was alot more then 3 truth be known.

[The_Philster]

Re: Why Losman is a worse QB then Leaf

Peyton Manning produced. 3-13...yeah...dynamite...he didn't look that good that year
Brett Favre also did.
Tom Brady
Big Ben...stocked roster surrounding him
Michael Vick...he still hasn't become more than an average QB
Jim Kelly...2 years in the USFL
Dan Marino...team came off a Super Bowl loss...this was before free agency..odds are the team was stocked like the 2004 Steelers was for Big Ben
Jake Delhomme (1st year as starter)..got a little bit of action before that year..maybe enough to help him ...I haven't watched him much
Daunte Culpepper..name 1 QB that wasn't producing for Green's Vikings..they had what...9 QBs in 8 years and were consistently in the playoffs?

[Dr. Lecter]

Re: Why Losman is a worse QB then Leaf

Losman is NOT worse than Leaf.

End of story.

And, ICE, are you calling Adams and Moulds liars? They have pretty complimentary of JP since they left.

[The_Philster]

Re: Why Losman is a worse QB then Leaf

Losman is NOT worse than Leaf.

End of story.

And, ICE, are you calling Adams and Moulds liars? They have pretty complimentary of JP since they left.

Moulds was pretty complimentary of JP before he left as well..according to Moulds, all differences were resolved

[TacklingDummy]

Re: Why Losman is a worse QB then Leaf

Manning 26 TDs 28 INTs 3739 yards. That's great for a 1st year starter.

Favre: 18 TDs 13 INts 3227 yards. Not bad for 1st year starting. And only having 1 weapon his 1st year (Sharp), not 3 like Losman had.

All you listed was a bunch of excuses. Losman defenders have many of those.

Fact is Losman had alot of talent around him to succeed more then most QBs.

[TacklingDummy]

Re: Why Losman is a worse QB then Leaf

Losman is NOT worse than Leaf.

End of story.

Give Leaf the talent around him Losman had and Leaf wouldn't look half as bad.

[Typ0]

Re: Why Losman is a worse QB then Leaf

According to Ice, Losman wasn't liked by Milloy, Moulds, Adams.

what a great source you have...ICE...LMAO.

What I am to understand was these vertans didn't like the way that Losman was given the job...and that is understandable. I would like to see ONE credible source that says these guys didn't like JP. What they didn't like was the situation.

[Iehoshua]

Re: Why Losman is a worse QB then Leaf

Worst thread in Zone history...

[THATHURMANATOR]

Re: Why Losman is a worse QB then Leaf

Ryan Leaf might have been a good QB if he had the talent JP Losman had around him his 1st year. Losman was in alot better situation then what Leaf was. And Leaf was on a 4-12 team the prevouis year compared to Losman who's team was 9-7 and 1 win away from the playoffs the prevouis year.

QB Losman
RB McGahee
WR Evans
WR Moulds

QB Leaf
RB Means
WR Charlie Jones
WR Bryan Still
WR Mikheal Ricks

That's what I don't get about when people want to compare Losman to other QBs. Losman had alot more talent around him then other QBs that were Busts.

People want to compare Losman to Elway, well Elway his first year didn't have the talent around him that Losman had.

QB Elway
RB by committee: Sammy Winder, Dave Preston, Gerald Willhite, Nathan Poole
WR: Rick Upchurch
WR: Steve Watson
WR: Zack Thomas

And OMG, People want to compare Losman to Favre and Mannings first year. Their first year numbers will be better then anything JP does in his entire career.

So in conclusion, JP had talent around him to succeed. But yet he dropped the ball.

EE see what happens when we are away....