WTF?- Ravens and Eagles may move up for Ngata- Merged

[acehole]

Ravens | Team could trade up for Ngata
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:10:19 -0700
Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports there is speculation that the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/8/nfl">Baltimore Ravens would attempt to trade up if Oregon DL Haloti Ngata (http://www.kffl.com/player/13470/nfl) fell past the Buffalo Bills (http://www.kffl.com/team/9/nfl) at No. 8 overall.

Eagles | Team could trade up for Ngata
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:09:11 -0700
Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports there is speculation that the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/29/nfl">Philadelphia Eagles would attempt to trade up if Oregon DL Haloti Ngata (http://www.kffl.com/player/13470/nfl) fell past the Buffalo Bills (http://www.kffl.com/team/9/nfl) at No. 8 overall.

[Pinkerton Security]

what are you surprised about? that they are both the same exact thing?

[acehole]

what are you surprised about? that they are both the same exact thing?


Why not trade with us?

[casdhf]

They know we won't take him, I guess.

[Pinkerton Security]

I wish they would trade with us. i would love to move down to the middle range and get another pick.

[X-Era]

The posts say if Ngata slid past the Bills. But Marv mentioned the player they like probably being 4 spots lower.

Ravens are at 13 and the Eagles are at 14. It would be great to get them in a bidding war for the 8 pick and Ngata who will be there.

Heres the reports:

Ravens | Team could trade up for Ngata
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:10:19 -0700
Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports there is speculation that the Baltimore Ravens (http://www.kffl.com/team/8/nfl) would attempt to trade up if Oregon DL Haloti Ngata (http://www.kffl.com/player/13470/nfl) fell past the Buffalo Bills (http://www.kffl.com/team/9/nfl) at No. 8 overall.

Eagles | Team could trade up for Ngata
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:09:11 -0700
Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports there is speculation that the Philadelphia Eagles (http://www.kffl.com/team/29/nfl) would attempt to trade up if Oregon DL Haloti Ngata (http://www.kffl.com/player/13470/nfl) fell past the Buffalo Bills (http://www.kffl.com/team/9/nfl) at No. 8 overall.

Browns | Hawk would need to drop to No. 8 for Savage to trade up
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:08:50 -0700
Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports Ohio State LB A.J. Hawk (http://www.kffl.com/player/13587/nfl) would have to drop to at least No. 8 before Cleveland Browns (http://www.kffl.com/team/13/nfl) general manager Phil Savage thinks about trading up to select him, according to one NFL (http://www.kffl.com/team/77/nfl) team executive. The executive said, "Phil doesn't give up picks. [Hawk] would have to drop to at least No. 8 to give them any shot. And that is not going to happen."

All 3 teams are talking about the 8 pick. That could put us sitting pretty for a trade down.

Heres Levys comments:

If you trade down will it be because you want more players that come cheaper?
ML: "It won't be a move to cheapen the price we pay for players if we move down. It would be a move down if at 8 there's no one that really knocks us out any more than a guy we can get four spaces later. That's what would motivate us."

I think we are gonna make the trade. So what can we get in return? Well:

The 8 pick is worth 1400 points (value chart) http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft/draftvaluechart.asp

The 13 pick is worth 1150
The 14th pick is worth 1100

Now, that means the team moving up needs to fess another 300 point pick or so.

The pick worth 300 points unfortunately is the 2nd rounder, 60th overall. The problem is the Ravens and Eagles 2nd rounders are the 44th and 45th. Each is worth around 460 and 450 points respectively.

So, it would seem that if they move up, its would be unlikely we'd get there 2nd rounders but more like there 3rd and a later pick. Unless of course soemone wants to move really bad.

If that happens, the Bills could land the guy they want at 13 or 14 and another early 2nd rounder where the depth of the draft on the OL is likely to be taken.

[Dozerdog]

Threads merged

[Dozerdog]

Here is the original article with all the speculation


NFL INSIDER


Don't believe the hype: Hawk won't fly Browns' way (http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/114578131782040.xml&coll=2)


Sunday, April 23, 2006
Tony Grossi
Plain Dealer Reporter

Just about every player projected to be taken in the top 10 spots in the draft has suffered moments of free-fall anxiety. Such is the nature of the drawn-out NFL draft process. The longer you look at a jewel, the likelier you are to imagine imperfections.

First it was Texas quarterback Vince Young who was supposed to fall out of the top 10.

Then it was USC running back Reggie Bush who suddenly was being nudged aside as the top pick in the draft.

Most recently, Ohio State linebacker A.J. Hawk has been the subject of "how far could he drop?" speculation.

It's tantalizing to fantasize about Hawk falling just low enough for Browns General Manager Phil Savage to do something creative and move up and snatch him. Cleveland fans would be ecstatic.

But don't hold your breath.

[DraftBoy]

The two KFFL sources make me think that both teams have contacted Buffalo about moving down and they have said no thank you. Or else why would they need to wait till after the #8 pick? Wouldnt they want a deal in place for the #8 pick. Im begining to wonder if a trade down is even on the minds of Levy and Co.

[Meathead]

huh?

they said if that player made it to the 8th pick theyd look to deal. if they deal now what do they do if that player isnt there

some trades can only happen on draft day just for reasons like that. i must be missing what ur saying

[DraftBoy]

huh?

they said if that player made it to the 8th pick theyd look to deal. if they deal now what do they do if that player isnt there

some trades can only happen on draft day just for reasons like that. i must be missing what ur saying


Yes completely agree but the reports say

"If DT Ngata falls past the Buffalo Bills at 8" which shows me that Buffalo has no interest at this time in trading down, and of course subject to change come Saturday.

[Dozerdog]

I think the Ravens and Eagles (after consulting the points chart for Draft trades) are both looking at giving up their first and their third to move up.

Waiting until the 9th pick of the draft makes the points line up. Otherwise, they have to give up too much for NGata- which probably isn't worth it.

[ICE74129]

The two KFFL sources make me think that both teams have contacted Buffalo about moving down and they have said no thank you. Or else why would they need to wait till after the #8 pick? Wouldnt they want a deal in place for the #8 pick. Im begining to wonder if a trade down is even on the minds of Levy and Co.

I think it is, but I think marv and Tom are going to 'wait and see'. In other words what if another team offers more as Oakland is picking?

I personally want to move down a few spots and pick up another 2nd rounder. That would help our team GREATLY. We could address LT, LG, DT all in the first two rounds. the problem is, how far do you go and lose guys you really want? I am leery of moving down to like 17th with the vikings. There is an outside chance we can lose Justice, Winston, Bunkley and Ngata with a move down that far.

I just don't see any moves like that out of our guys until that day.

What do you think?

[ICE74129]

I think the Ravens and Eagles (after consulting the points chart for Draft trades) are both looking at giving up their first and their third to move up.

Waiting until the 9th pick of the draft makes the points line up. Otherwise, they have to give up too much for NGata- which probably isn't worth it.

Here is the thing, I don't think Marv sticks to the 'Chart'. As a new GM he has several needs that can be addressed in this draft. The More picks the better. So maybe the chart says a teams first, second, and fourth round picks to move up. I think marv says First and second only not to push anything at this point.

Being new I have to wonder how hard he is going to push? I would guess not much.

[G. Host]

I think Bills want a player as well as a pick to move down.

[Dozerdog]

Here is the thing, I don't think Marv sticks to the 'Chart'. As a new GM he has several needs that can be addressed in this draft. The More picks the better. So maybe the chart says a teams first, second, and fourth round picks to move up. I think marv says First and second only not to push anything at this point.

Being new I have to wonder how hard he is going to push? I would guess not much.
It has nothing to do with Marv sticking to the chart.

It has everything to do with Philly and Balt using the chart not to give the farm away for a DT

[ICE74129]

It has nothing to do with Marv sticking to the chart.

It has everything to do with Philly and Balt using the chart not to give the farm away for a DT

What I am saying is marv might take less than the chart to move up. From say 13 to 8 might just be a first and 3rd which is fine. 3 thirds isn't a bad thing to have.

[patmoran2006]

Balt isnt moving up.
They dont even have a 3rd round pick.. and they're not going to give up a first and a second to move up from 13 to 8 or 9..

Unless the Bills gave a 1 and 3 for Baltimore's 1 and 2, which of course with some other later stuff could make it possible.. But Balt only has 2 of first 110 picks and they got holes, dont see them losing any picks.

[DraftBoy]

I think it is, but I think marv and Tom are going to 'wait and see'. In other words what if another team offers more as Oakland is picking?

I personally want to move down a few spots and pick up another 2nd rounder. That would help our team GREATLY. We could address LT, LG, DT all in the first two rounds. the problem is, how far do you go and lose guys you really want? I am leery of moving down to like 17th with the vikings. There is an outside chance we can lose Justice, Winston, Bunkley and Ngata with a move down that far.

I just don't see any moves like that out of our guys until that day.

What do you think?


I agree I dont think any move will be made till draft day at the earliest but I also think that Marv and Co. have a player or two in mind at 8 already and if they are gone then they will immediately move down. Now using that logic I can only think that its Vernon Davis and that its Michael Huff, bc Ngata, Justice, Bunkley, and Winston are all expected to be ther at 8 with no issue. So I see it playing out like this;

Scenario 1; Huff or Davis there and we take one of them
Scenario 2; Neither are there and nobody falls except for a QB and we trade down with BAL, PHI, or MIN.
Scenario 3; Neither is there and we take Bunkley as Justice as a reach but get the player we need still

Thats what Im getting reading these blurbs online. I know you may not like it ICE bc your huge about the lines but Im telling you we go Huff rd 1 and OL/DL with the other day 1 picks, we will be in great shape. Could you honestly complain if we come out of day 1 with Huff, Wrotten, Spencer, and Whitworth?

[patmoran2006]

He'll complain about anything..

If Davis or Huff are there at 8.. Unless someone gives us a ridiculous deal, one of those are going to be a Buffalo Bill, plain and simple..

We will pick a DT and G in rounds 2 and 3 and probably also a tackle in round three.

Anybody who thinks the Bils will stick with the 8th pick and STILL take Bunkley or Ngata over Davis or Huff is fooling themself.

we could very well land with Bunkley or Ngata, but it's not going to be at 8, UNLESS Davis and Huff are both gone and we cant find a suitable trade down.

[ddaryl]

trade down (clap clap)

trade down (clap clap)

everyone chant !

[LtFinFan66]

Not really but it is very easy to make anyone look like they are after anyone...see:




Dolphins| Team could trade up for Ngata
Sun, 24 Apr 2006 1019 -0700
Armando Salguero, of the Miami Herald, reports there is speculation that the Miami Dolphins<A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/8/nfl"> would attempt to trade up if Oregon DL Haloti Ngata (http://www.kffl.com/player/13470/nfl) fell past the Buffalo Bills (http://www.kffl.com/team/9/nfl) at No. 8 overall.

[ddaryl]

You mean like this


Bills| Team could trade up for Ngata
Sun, 24 Apr 2006 1019 -0700
Dan Miller, of the Buffalo evening News, reports there is speculation that the Buffalo Bills<A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/8/nfl"> would attempt to trade up if Oregon DL Haloti Ngata (http://www.kffl.com/player/13470/nfl) fell past the Buffalo Bills (http://www.kffl.com/team/9/nfl) at No. 8 overall.

[mysticsoto]

Uggghh...so much nonsense and bull***** being printed this week. As a rule, never believe anything that is said just before the draft!!!

[LtFinFan66]

You mean like this


Bills| Team could trade up for Ngata
Sun, 24 Apr 2006 1019 -0700
Dan Miller, of the Buffalo evening News, reports there is speculation that the Buffalo Bills<A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/8/nfl"> would attempt to trade up if Oregon DL Haloti Ngata (http://www.kffl.com/player/13470/nfl) fell past the Buffalo Bills (http://www.kffl.com/team/9/nfl) at No. 8 overall.Good one! :rofl:

[don137]

Hey I wouldn't mind Huff at number 8. In round 2 take John McCargo and Spencer in round three. take BPA with the other third rounder...If that happened I would be thrilled...