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  • X-Era
    What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
    • Feb 2005
    • 27670

    Ya know, heres a few anti OL, DL points

    If OT's and DT's are the key to the Bills success, why didnt it work for the Lions?

    What did stud DT Shaun Rogers do for the Lions win loss column?

    How about Jeff Backus? Dominic Riaola?

    All were highly touted OL and DL players, a few have been great. But the Lions still suck.

    Is it TRULY a given that improving our O and D lines is all this team needs?

    And if not, wouldnt you rather spend your top pick on a point scorer?

  • Pride
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 10191

    #2
    Re: Ya know, heres a few anti OL, DL points

    DT has to be a key component. The Bills need a DT to complete their defense IMO.

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    • Earthquake Enyart
      Legendary Zoner
      • Jul 2002
      • 27521

      #3
      Re: Ya know, heres a few anti OL, DL points

      You forgot former #1 draft pick Aaron Gibson.

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      • R. Rich
        Registered User
        • Apr 2003
        • 15874

        #4
        Re: Ya know, heres a few anti OL, DL points

        Raiola is a serviceable center while Backus is considered adequate. The offensive line, while not dominant, is not nearly as big an issue for Detroit as their defense has been the past few years. The Lions spent a bunch of high draft picks on "point scorers" in recent years, and that didn't help them either.

        It could be that a team needs balance in order to win.

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        • Dozerdog
          In a jar, on a shelf, next to the unopened Miracle Whip.

          Administrator Emeritus
          • Jul 2002
          • 42586

          #5
          Re: Ya know, heres a few anti OL, DL points

          Originally posted by jp-era
          If OT's and DT's are the key to the Bills success, why didnt it work for the Lions?

          What did stud DT Shaun Rogers do for the Lions win loss column?

          How about Jeff Backus? Dominic Riaola?

          All were highly touted OL and DL players, a few have been great. But the Lions still suck.

          Is it TRULY a given that improving our O and D lines is all this team needs?

          And if not, wouldnt you rather spend your top pick on a point scorer?
          If anything- it gives ammo to the argument that you take positions like OL in the middle to late rounds.

          You draft speed and QBs early, muscle later. And never kickers

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          • X-Era
            What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
            • Feb 2005
            • 27670

            #6
            Re: Ya know, heres a few anti OL, DL points

            Originally posted by Dozerdog
            If anything- it gives ammo to the argument that you take positions like OL in the middle to late rounds.

            You draft speed and QBs early, muscle later. And never kickers
            I tend to agree but its in the face of many here who clamor for guys like Bunkley, Ngata, and Justice.

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            • EDS
              Registered User
              • Jan 2003
              • 5216

              #7
              Re: Ya know, heres a few anti OL, DL points

              Hasn't Detroit spent at least 4 of their past 5 first round picks - and we are talking top 10 picks here - on wide receivers and a quarterback? Doesn't that fact run counter to your argument? I am not necessarily saying picking one thing or the other is good, but you can make strong arguments either way. Balance, as someone mentioned, and a cohessive team are far more important than anything else.

              Besides, Rogers was not a first round pick; Raiola and Backus were not top ten picks.

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              • justasportsfan
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 71596

                #8
                Re: Ya know, heres a few anti OL, DL points

                Originally posted by jp-era
                If OT's and DT's are the key to the Bills success, why didnt it work for the Lions?
                two words..... Joey Harrington.
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                • ICE74129
                  Legendary Zoner
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 10796

                  #9
                  Re: Ya know, heres a few anti OL, DL points

                  Originally posted by jp-era
                  I tend to agree but its in the face of many here who clamor for guys like Bunkley, Ngata, and Justice.
                  Here is your answer...who did the picking? I have much more confidence in Modrak being able to run this draft without Ol' Whitey sticking his friggin nose in. BTW...Modrak had no problems taking linemen that worked out in Philly in the first round

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                  • Dozerdog
                    In a jar, on a shelf, next to the unopened Miracle Whip.

                    Administrator Emeritus
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 42586

                    #10
                    Re: Ya know, heres a few anti OL, DL points

                    Originally posted by jp-era
                    I tend to agree but its in the face of many here who clamor for guys like Bunkley, Ngata, and Justice.

                    Bunkley and even NGata would qualify- they are by far much faster than your average DTs

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                    • R. Rich
                      Registered User
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 15874

                      #11
                      Re: Ya know, heres a few anti OL, DL points

                      Originally posted by Dozerdog
                      If anything- it gives ammo to the argument that you take positions like OL in the middle to late rounds.

                      You draft speed and QBs early, muscle later. And never kickers
                      The talent pool you have to choose from has something to do w/ your strategy. What worked for someone in 1983 doesn't necessarily work for another person in 2006.

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                      • Throne Logic
                        Terry Tate - Outside Linebacker
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 2052

                        #12
                        Re: Ya know, heres a few anti OL, DL points

                        Originally posted by justasportsfan
                        two words..... Joey Harrington.
                        Two stronger words . . . . Matt Millen.
                        Still searching for that offensive rhythm.

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                        • Jan Reimers
                          Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
                          • May 2003
                          • 17353

                          #13
                          Re: Ya know, heres a few anti OL, DL points

                          We definitely need O and D linemen - but we have to do a better job of evaluating their talent. We simply can't afford another Eric Flowers or Mike Williams, but their lack of success - or the Lions' problems with their picks - shouldn't deter us from drafting to beef up our lines.
                          Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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                          • X-Era
                            What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 27670

                            #14
                            Re: Ya know, heres a few anti OL, DL points

                            Originally posted by justasportsfan
                            two words..... Joey Harrington.
                            Following your line of hinking and hatred for JP, we need to either draft the next Manning or trade for him BEFORE drafting any lineman.

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                            • X-Era
                              What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 27670

                              #15
                              Re: Ya know, heres a few anti OL, DL points

                              Originally posted by ICE74129
                              Here is your answer...who did the picking? I have much more confidence in Modrak being able to run this draft without Ol' Whitey sticking his friggin nose in. BTW...Modrak had no problems taking linemen that worked out in Philly in the first round
                              How did he do with Mike Williams? How about Ron Edwards? Tim Anderson?

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