Bills to get another 1st rounder?

[T-Long]

Bills | Talking potential trade with Bears
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:05:05 -0700

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Buffalo Bills are attempting to acquire a second first round pick. The Chicago Bears, who own the No. 26 pick, may be interested in dealing.

[ublinkwescore]

What are we gonna have to give up though?

[justasportsfan]

Clements?

[ublinkwescore]

Make it happen, Marv.

He can be a headache and a non-team player for someone else.

[lordofgun]

This means we're taking Cutler at 8!!! :meh:

[Mudflap1]

Hello Michael Huff!

Jon

[CAbills]

This means we're taking Cutler at 8!!! :meh:

Man if we do.......please no MARV PLEASE!

[Patrick76777]

Probably for our 2nd and a 4th or one of our 5th rounders.


Someone get the chart out!

[Jersey1031]

Bills | Talking potential trade with Bears
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:05:05 -0700

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Buffalo Bills are attempting to acquire a second first round pick. The Chicago Bears, who own the No. 26 pick, may be interested in dealing.


This would be great news! But Clements couldn't be in the deal, they aren't in need of a CB, they have Tillman (5 int's) and Vasher (8 int's)...

[Dr. Lecter]

What are we gonna have to give up though?

My speculation? Our second and one of the 3rd's.

We then take Eric Winston with the extra 1st if it happens. Bunkley is taken at 8th or if the Bills trade down and get yet another 3rd.

2 1st's and 2 3rd's make for a good day one.

[Jersey1031]

Probably for our 2nd and a 4th or one of our 5th rounders.


Someone get the chart out!


Tru, this could be true since we have a pretty high 2nd...

[Jersey1031]

My speculation? Our second and one of the 3rd's.

We then take Eric Winston with the extra 1st if it happens. Bunkley is taken at 8th or if the Bills trade down and get yet another 3rd.

2 1st's and 2 3rd's make for a good day one.

If we didn't get Huff, I was kind of hoping for Bing with the 2nd rounder...

[Patrick76777]

Probably for our 2nd and a 4th or one of our 5th rounders.


Someone get the chart out!


I just checked out. To move our second pick up into the first round it'll cost us one of our 3rd's.

That’s their number 1 for our 2 and one of our 3rd’s.

I could be talked into this.

[Dr. Lecter]

The theoretical chart has our 2nd at 480 and our 3rd at 225. 26th overall is 700.

Sounds good to me!

[EDS]

This would be great news! But Clements couldn't be in the deal, they aren't in need of a CB, they have Tillman (5 int's) and Vasher (8 int's)...

I read that Tillman might get moved to safety as they are not totally sold on him at corner.

[EDS]

I just checked out. To move our second pick up into the first round it'll cost us one of our 3rd's.

That’s their number 1 for our 2 and one of our 3rd’s.

I could be talked into this.


Is it really worth it to move up a little more then 10 places?

[ICE74129]

#26 is worth 700points. We would have to give up our 2nd (500 points) and our 2nd pick in the 3rd round.

That would land us two firsts and still have one 3rd rounder

[Jersey1031]

I read that Tillman might get moved to safety as they are not totally sold on him at corner.

That's news to me, along with this 26th pick trade talk...

[BillsNick]

I like it at first glance, but how does affect our game plan for picking up the guy we wanted in the second round? Isn't that where all the talented linemen will be?

[Jersey1031]

Is it really worth it to move up a little more then 10 places?

If we really want someone that won't be there...

[Patrick76777]

Is it really worth it to move up a little more then 10 places?
At this point, you could talk me into either way.

I know that not taking a hard and fast stand is almost unheard of on a MB but it’s just how I feel.

If you’re on the side that the draft is a crapshoot, you’re better off keeping 4 picks in the top 75.

If you feel that the talent is in the first round, it might be worth moving up slightly. In this case you’d have 3 picks in the top 75 and 2 in the top 26. It’s possible you could get your starting DT and LT for the next 10 years.

[justasportsfan]

That’s their number 1 for our 2 and one of our 3rd’s.
.and then trade down our 8th pick for someones 1st and their 2nd or third?

[EDS]

At this point, you could talk me into either way.

I know that not taking a hard and fast stand is almost unheard of on a MB but it’s just how I feel.

If you’re on the side that the draft is a crapshoot, you’re better off keeping 4 picks in the top 75.

If you feel that the talent is in the first round, it might be worth moving up slightly. In this case you’d have 3 picks in the top 75 and 2 in the top 26. It’s possible you could get your starting DT and LT for the next 10 years.

Obviously this begs the question of who the Bills are looking to trade up to get.

[Mitchy moo]

rep points or not, you still have the reputation of starting the dumbest threads. Common knowledge :D.

I start alot of threads, by shear numbers some might be underappreciated I'll admit.

[Bmax]

But who do you take at 26 ?.....Ashton youbooty..Mathais Kiwanuka...Jason allen...Eric Winston.. Jimmy Wiliams..Tamba Hali...3 of the six should be there ...Maybe More...

My pick would be --- Kiwanuka .. Or Winston...

Bmax

[TigerJ]

Buffalo's second round pick and their own third round pick would be close to the 700 points that Chicago's #26 overall pick is worth. We might be able to get Chicago to kick in a late round pick too.

[patmoran2006]

Is it really worth it to move up a little more then 10 places?

I think so IF they are targetting say an Eric Winston who they cant get with their pick in the second round..

[goodkarma]

I'm all for getting another 1st round pick, but not for packaging with our other first to move up. Like others have said, we need more picks, not fewer.

My guess/hope is that we grab Winston in the late 1st along with Ngata/Bunkley in the first.

[ryjam282]

If this happens, it is a lock that we take either Huff or Bunkley at #8 then with the other pick we will take Winston. It is a lock IMO, they both fill MAJOR needs for us and all of the players could step in on day one and be our starters for the next few years....I like the idea as Winston won't be there when our 2nd round pick comes up.....Come on Marv, lets get it done.

[dplus47]

This would be great news! But Clements couldn't be in the deal, they aren't in need of a CB, they have Tillman (5 int's) and Vasher (8 int's)...

they also recently signed future denny's spokesman ricky manning, jr.

[Michael82]

Is it really worth it to move up a little more then 10 places?
yeah in a draft like this, there are going to some damn good Offensive linemen available in the end of the first round that wouldn't be there by the time we picked in the 2nd.

[Mahdi]

If the Bills move up in the top ten, I think it will be for Mario Williams. Theres no player in the entire draft that fits what they want to do on defense better than he does. You need a pass rush in the Cover 2. The Bears have Ogun and Alex Brown, the Colts have Freeny and Mathis, the Bucs have Spires and Rice. All we have right now is Schobel and Kelsay. Schobel had a good year but we all know that he is inconsistent he has great games and then the rest are average. Kelsay has done nothing yet. Therefore MW IMO is their target.

[Nighthawk]

What are we gonna have to give up though?

Exactly...would it be Clements? If so, I see the Bills drafting Huff at #8.

[Devin]

If the Bills move up in the top ten, I think it will be for Mario Williams. Theres no player in the entire draft that fits what they want to do on defense better than he does. You need a pass rush in the Cover 2. The Bears have Ogun and Alex Brown, the Colts have Freeny and Mathis, the Bucs have Spires and Rice. All we have right now is Schobel and Kelsay. Schobel had a good year but we all know that he is inconsistent he has great games and then the rest are average. Kelsay has done nothing yet. Therefore MW IMO is their target.

:bf1:

[ZacGriffi~82]

Can you say Eric Winston?

[Sportsuser101]

The Bears currently have an offer out for Ricky Manning Jr. If the deal falls through I would think the Bears would discuss Clements.

[Sportsuser101]

If we end up trading Clements I think the Bills should trade down w/the Rams grab another pick and draft Cromartie. The guy is an absolute stud and in my opinion the best corner in the draft.

[Sportsuser101]

Can you say Eric Winston?

Yes I can. Can you say supercalifragilisticexpealadoshis?

[EDS]

yeah in a draft like this, this are going to some damn good Offensive linemen available in the end of the first round that wouldn't be there by the time we picked in the 2nd.

I think Winston fits into that category but really the only other offensive lineman that we would likely miss out on is Mangold. Other then those two I think the guards and tackles available are interchangeable to a degree. I like Joseph at guard but not enough to trade up if I can get Jean-Giles or Latusi by staying put.

[EDS]

If we end up trading Clements I think the Bills should trade down w/the Rams grab another pick and draft Cromartie. The guy is an absolute stud and in my opinion the best corner in the draft.

Based on what is he a stud? His athletic ablility? He hasn't played in forever.

[Dozerdog]

I like it at first glance, but how does affect our game plan for picking up the guy we wanted in the second round? Isn't that where all the talented linemen will be?

Well- it means we get first crack at those talented linemen- not who's left of the talented linemen.

[Dozerdog]

Someone like Nick Mangold or Davin Joseph?

[Sportsuser101]

Based on what is he a stud? His athletic ablility? He hasn't played in forever.

Yup his athletic ability and what he did when he did play.

[acehole]

Bills | Talking potential trade with Bears
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:05:05 -0700

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Buffalo Bills are attempting to acquire a second first round pick. The Chicago Bears, who own the No. 26 pick, may be interested in dealing.

I think I know what is going on...we want to trade down to get more picks so we can later trade them to trade up.

I like it....

[patmoran2006]

they also recently signed future denny's spokesman ricky manning, jr.

Exactly. clements wont be part of any trade talk with Chicago.

[X-Era]

Well- it means we get first crack at those talented linemen- not who's left of the talented linemen.

Thats exactly it.

Theres gonna be a run on OT's starting late round 1. Ithink the first guy to go in that run will be Winston, yes he has short arms but the athleticism and the shift in DE's to smaller faster guys means athleticism is the new premium at LT.

After that I think it goes Whitworth, a RT, and then McNeil another LT with slower feet but great wingspan and size.

So, I think if Buffalo is dead set on landing a LT in this draft it needs to be either D'Brick or Winston. Since Winstons the only guy left in late 1 who could start early, I think this move is for him.

[Michael82]

Well- it means we get first crack at those talented linemen- not who's left of the talented linemen.
EXACTLY! And wouldn't you love to see Davin Joseph taking over for Chris Villarrial next year? :drool:

[Michael82]

If the Bills move up in the top ten, I think it will be for Mario Williams. Theres no player in the entire draft that fits what they want to do on defense better than he does. You need a pass rush in the Cover 2. The Bears have Ogun and Alex Brown, the Colts have Freeny and Mathis, the Bucs have Spires and Rice. All we have right now is Schobel and Kelsay. Schobel had a good year but we all know that he is inconsistent he has great games and then the rest are average. Kelsay has done nothing yet. Therefore MW IMO is their target.
good post, if Marv wants to get another 1st rounder to help use at trade bait to move up and get Mario Williams, that would be awesome. Williams is going to be a stud! :clap:

[Michael82]

The Bears currently have an offer out for Ricky Manning Jr. If the deal falls through I would think the Bears would discuss Clements.
the Panthers already declined to match. He's a Bear now.

[Bert102176]

We are NOT taking a QB in the 1st 3 rounds

[Bert102176]

having Mario Williams, and Aaron Schobel would be like bruce and Phil all over again I would love it

[ICE74129]

So the Bills trade their 2nd and the 2nd pick in the 3rd round for #26. Then trade #8 and #26 to New Orleans to Draft D'Brick :-) DT in round 3 with the 6th pick

D'brick, Reyes, Fowler, Villarial, Peters

[don137]

Maybe they trade down a few slots in round one to maybe the Rams. Get an extra 3rd rounder. Then trade there second and a third for the Bears 1st. They land the guy they want in the first. Move up about 15 slots from there second round pick in round one and still have two 3rd round picks...
Remember the Bears lost there 3rd rounder to Carolina so they may be anxious to have multiple picks (two second rounders and a third over a first and second round pick)

[lordofgun]

NON-FOOTBALL POSTS HAVE BEEN SPLIT AND PLACED IN TZ. Let's keep it football in here.

[Throne Logic]

So the Bills trade their 2nd and the 2nd pick in the 3rd round for #26. Then trade #8 and #26 to New Orleans to Draft D'Brick :-) DT in round 3 with the 6th pick

D'brick, Reyes, Fowler, Villarial, Peters


Why not just trade all three to NO? What's the difference? The chart value is the same. Plus that would give NO 3 extra picks, instead of 2. If they wanted to trade with Chicago, they that would be their option.

[The Quebecer]

According to the draft value chart :

#2 = 2600

So, for Buffalo to get to #2, we would have to give : 8 (1400), 26 (700), and 42
(480) that we don't have anymore... can't see this happening...

Unless there is future draft picks/player (Clements) involved...

[ublinkwescore]

My speculation? Our second and one of the 3rd's.

We then take Eric Winston with the extra 1st if it happens. Bunkley is taken at 8th or if the Bills trade down and get yet another 3rd.

2 1st's and 2 3rd's make for a good day one.

Don't be surprised to see us trade down a little bit though in order to get a later (like 2-4 picks later in round one) - say 11/12/13th pick in round one to keep another 3rd under our belts.

If Marv makes this happen, he is truely a god among men in the GM game.

[Bill Brasky]

they also recently signed future denny's spokesman ricky manning, jr.

:rofl:

[Kerr]

Haven't they projected E. Winston as a guard? Is it not too early to take a guard?

[ddaryl]

and then trade down our 8th pick for someones 1st and their 2nd or third?


ding ding ding

we have a winner

[ddaryl]

So the Bills trade their 2nd and the 2nd pick in the 3rd round for #26. Then trade #8 and #26 to New Orleans to Draft D'Brick :-) DT in round 3 with the 6th pick

D'brick, Reyes, Fowler, Villarial, Peters

are you willing to sacrafice all of our day 1 picks accept our #3 just to move up and select Ferguson, who is the best OT in this draft, yet still not considered to be Orlando Pace or Walter Jones good.


I think we have a much better option of trading down from #8 get extra picks, and then combine a pick package to give to Chicago and still keep a good day 1 draft package in tact

[Luisito23]

This means we're taking Cutler at 8!!! :meh:



:curse: :curse: :curse:...




GO BILLS!!!!!!

[Tinboy]

Clements?

Makes sense, Chicago are in need of depth at that position. It probably depends on who's left at 26. Williams, Cromartie and Hill are gone by then and maybe Youboty. It that's the case they could be thinking about a trade.