Official Bills Zone NFL Draft Thread--Day One

[LifetimeBillsFan]

I know it's early, but with Houston signing Mario Williams and passing on Reggie Bush with the # 1 pick in the draft this is shaping up to be one of the most unpredictable NFL drafts ever. Day One is looking like it's going to be a really wild day, so strap on your seatbelts, sit back and enjoy the ride!

The draft doesn't officially start for another approx. 6 hours and 15 minutes, but the action could begin at any moment this morning.

Houston is on the clock and their pick of Mario Williams won't be official until they hand their card into the Commish, with Reggie Bush now going to still be on the board when New Orleans goes on the clock for the second pick in the draft and 5 teams reportedly already having contacted the Saints about trading up to the # 2 spot, the jockeying in the Top 10 has already begun.

You can bet that the phones will be ringing and the airwaves singing all morning long! The Sun is up and anything can happen. It's going to be interesting and a lot of fun, especially to see what Marv Levy and the Bills braintrust decide to do with their picks! I can't wait!!!

LET'S GO BUFFALO!!!
GO GET 'EM, MARV!!!

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

Well, I am all-a-tingle!

I have to work till about 2, so I will have my radio tuned in and internet running so I can keep track of the action.... it just got more interesting with the texans action last night.

texas really goofed up everyones mocks and it willl be a free for all today!

GO BUFFALO!

Have fun everyone!

[Kerr]

Only a couple of hours left to go. I'll check back in this thread.

[Jersey1031]

I really thought last night that the Saints were definitely going to trade that their 2nd pick because they could get so much for it, but last night ESPN reported the Bush's agent said the Saints were going to pick him. Plus the fact that, Bush is really the type of player they need to fill up the stands in that devastated city...

I just hope Bush won't be a Jet!

[patmoran2006]

I seen that too.. Someone suggested the Saints rep would sprint to the podium to take Bush.. Personally I dont buy it.

But at the end of the day it would be hard to pass him up..

[venis2k1]

The saints wont take bush. but they have to make you belive they will if they want to trade the pick.

[Romes]

The saints wont take bush. but they have to make you belive they will if they want to trade the pick.

thats what they said about mario williams and his contract negotiations.

[ICE74129]

I think the Jets trade up, Take bush. Tenn takes Matt Lienart, New Orleans takes D Brick, Green Bay takes Hawk, SF takes Davis, Oak takes Young.

Our phone then rings off of the friggin hook to get Cuttler. IF Oakland passes on young we still will not take a QB because Marv isn't going to wait 3-4 years for a guy to develop. We will then get a better offer to trade down than what we would have got with just 1 QB there.

Marv and Ralph won't wait for JP and give him an undisputed full season so they aren't going to start over. If none of the QB's on this roster is the guy, look for us to try and sign a Veteran that can lead us or trade for one if possible. We wont' take a QB in round 1.

[patmoran2006]

If you read between the lines with what Modrak said more than once last week, Broderik Bunkley is probably going to be the pick. His preference (Modrak) is for Defensive Tackle in round one.

Thats why I think we heard Levy talk last week on bb.com about trading down no more than 4 spots, if they do at all.

[ICE74129]

If you read between the lines with what Modrak said more than once last week, Broderik Bunkley is probably going to be the pick. His preference (Modrak) is for Defensive Tackle in round one.

Thats why I think we heard Levy talk last week on bb.com about trading down no more than 4 spots, if they do at all.

But my question pat is how far can we move down and still get Bunkley? I think no further than 11 with STL. Thoughts?

[Philagape]

Did Ice just ASK Pat what he thinks? :jawdrop:

[patmoran2006]

But my question pat is how far can we move down and still get Bunkley? I think no further than 11 with STL. Thoughts?

Detroit wont take a DT.. Arizona will take a QB or Justice.. and the Rams will probably take Ngata.

Cleveland may jump on Bunkley at 12.

So IMO, 3 spots to be safe, and DEFINITELY no more than 4 spots.

[patmoran2006]

Did Ice just ASK Pat what he thinks? :jawdrop:

Draft Day is no time for fighting.. Too many BZ fans will be around today.

Dont you worry, we will resume our rivalry on Monday morning ;)

[Michael82]

:drool:

[Mahdi]

Detroit wont take a DT.. Arizona will take a QB or Justice.. and the Rams will probably take Ngata.

Cleveland may jump on Bunkley at 12.

So IMO, 3 spots to be safe, and DEFINITELY no more than 4 spots.
I think there is a good possibility Detroit takes a DT. They dont have Wilkinson anymore that just leaves Rogers and Tayoka Jackson. Since they are switching to a Cover 2 as well they could definitely use a DT like Bunkley.

[Luisito23]

I just hope Bush won't be a Jet!



:curse: :curse:...

That's the only thing that can mess up this chill day, I doubt he will though...

less than 1/2 hr. to go baby!!!!....



GO BILLS!!!!!!

[Jersey1031]

17 Minutes to go!!

HUFF to BUFF

[Jersey1031]

ESPN just reported that Saints and Jets talks are getting serious for the 2nd pick...

HUFF to BUFF

[Jersey1031]

4 minutes!!

HUFF to BUFF

[Jersey1031]

Game time!!!!!!!!!!

HUFF to BUFF

[Philagape]

Man this ESPN opening makes me consider not watching :puke:

[Romes]

this intro is amazingly cheesy :lol:

[LifetimeBillsFan]

I am SOOO SHOCKED!!!

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Hi, all! I just managed to get back.

[Mr. Pink]

That was the ABSOLUTE WORST piece of monkey crap intro I've ever seen. On better news, Mario to the Texans is official. I say the Saints take AJ Hawk or trade down.

[hydro]

Finally announced the first pick

[Romes]

how much would you wanna bet they go to commerical during the Bills pick?

[Luisito23]

Come on Saints don't be stupid as well, take Bush, and let's move on to my Bills...


GO BILLS!!!!!!

[hydro]

how much would you wanna bet they go to commerical during the Bills pick?

That would certainly show the respect we have.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

how much would you wanna bet they go to commerical during the Bills pick?

Haven't they done that before?

The only reason the Bills get any attention from ESPN now is because of Berman.

[Jersey1031]

That would certainly show the respect we have.


But they definitely will, over 15 minutes without a commercial?? No way, the ticker stays on though...

[Luisito23]

Is NFL Network's draft better than ESPN?


GO BILLS!!!!!!

[Romes]

Haven't they done that before?

The only reason the Bills get any attention from ESPN now is because of Berman.

It seems like they do that every year.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Is NFL Network's draft better than ESPN?


GO BILLS!!!!!!

I wish I could get NFL Network. My Cable company doesn't carry it yet...:sad:

[Luisito23]

Saints got Bush!!!!!!!!!


GO BILLS!!!!!!

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Saints go with Bush!

[Romes]

:hiclap:

[Jersey1031]

Bush not a Jet!!

[Luisito23]

YEAH BABY!!!!!!!




GO BILLS!!!!!!

[Romes]

the jets not getting bush may have just made my day

[LifetimeBillsFan]

I LOVE it! Bush had to go at # 2 for the Bills to have a shot at the guy I want them to get.

[LtFinFan66]

Thank God. One thing I agree with you all on:up:

[Luisito23]

the jets not getting bush may have just made my day


4 sure!..:cheers:




GO BILLS!!!!!!

[Jersey1031]

the jets not getting bush may have just made my day

The Jets drafting a bust would make my day!

[Philagape]

:whew:

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Thank God. One thing I agree with you all on:up:

Hi, LtFinFan! Just curious: why are you following the draft on this board instead of the Fins board?

[Luisito23]

Jet fans still dazed, don't know what the hell just happened...

LOL...Beautiful...



GO BILLS!!!!!!

[hydro]

Hi, LtFinFan! Just curious: why are you following the draft on this board instead of the Fins board?

He is probably mulitasking between both of them

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Jet fans still dazed, don't know what the hell just happened...

LOL...Beautiful...



GO BILLS!!!!!!

That's nothing new--that's their usual state. :lmao:

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Titans go Young! YEAH!!!!

[Luisito23]

Vince Young a Titan...wow...


GO BILLS!!!!!!

[Philagape]

Finally the official end to all the Vince-to-Buffalo talk!!! :hiclap:

[Jersey1031]

Yes! My mock draft is still perfect!!

[Ed]

We might seriously have a shot at Ferguson if the Jets don't grab him here. That would absolutely make my day.

[Dr. Lecter]

This is the most important pick for the Bills.

Please, NY take Leinart or Davis. Please.

[Romes]

i hate to say it but the peices are falling in place for Brick falling to the Bills

[Jersey1031]

Matt-product-of-the-system-Leinart will go to Jets and be a BUST!

[Jersey1031]

i hate to say it but the peices are falling in place for Brick falling to the Bills

Damn right!

[LifetimeBillsFan]

This is the most important pick for the Bills.

Please, NY take Leinart or Davis. Please.


PLEASE, PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE!!!!

[Luisito23]

They'll go with Leinert...


GO BILLS!!!!!!

[Jersey1031]

They'll go with Leinert...

The bust...

[Ed]

What are the chances that the Raiders take Ferguson or someone trades up with them to grab him? I'm assuming if the Jets take Leinert, Hawk will go to GB at 5 and V. Davis to SF at 6. I've heard the Raiders really like Huff...

[LABillsFan]

The Jets will take D'Brickshaw

[Luisito23]

The bust...


LOL...And he won't have Bush, nor all those WR's...



GO BILLS!!!!!!

[Jersey1031]

LOL...And he won't have Bush, nor all those WR's...

Exactly!

[Philagape]

:mad:

[Luisito23]

LOL..??


GO BILLS!!!!!!

[Jersey1031]

DAMN!

[LifetimeBillsFan]

The Jets go with D'Brick.....DAMN!!!

[Topdog]

Jets are taking .... Ferguson!

[MikeInRoch]

Not a shock...

[Luisito23]

The crowd actually happy...



GO BILLS!!!!!!

[Dr. Lecter]

Stupid Jets.

I hate them.

[Jersey1031]

Leinart to the Raiders, my mock is still perfect!

[Romes]

The crowd actually happy...



GO BILLS!!!!!!


thats the real shock

[G. Host]

Well at least we will have two QBs to sack!

[Jersey1031]

The crowd actually happy...

It was the sure move...

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Al Davis is doing cart-wheels in the Raiders' war room right now....Not a pretty sight.

[Luisito23]

Just 3 more baby!!....


GO BILLS!!!!!!

[MarvLevy]

WHAT ABOUT THE TE DAVIS?

[MarvLevy]

gb-hawk?
sf-vernon davis?
oak-leinart?

[Jersey1031]

gb-hawk?
sf-vernon davis?
oak-leinart?

Definitely!

The Pack to go with Hawk...?
SF - Davis
Oak - Leinart
Buff - Huff

[MarvLevy]

trey teague will start for nyj?

[MarvLevy]

pack will take aj hawk

[LifetimeBillsFan]

WHAT ABOUT THE TE DAVIS?

SF will probably take him. Oakland supposedly likes him a lot, too, but Leinart would be a much better pick for them.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

trey teague will start for nyj?

That's what they have been saying about him in the NYC area press since the Jets signed him. At center.

[Luisito23]

GB will go with Hawk...


GO BILLS!!!!!!

[MarvLevy]

doesnt that make u wonder a lil? we didnt want him and he is starting for the jets?

[MarvLevy]

f it..i saw we trade down and take justice OT from USC

[Jersey1031]

Pack pick HAWK!

good pick...

[LifetimeBillsFan]

The Pack go with AJ Hawk. No surprise.

[Topdog]

Green Bay chooses...... AJ Hawk

[Luisito23]

Nice Pick for them...The Hawk...



GO BILLS!!!!!!

[Jersey1031]

My mock is still perfect...

[LifetimeBillsFan]

doesnt that make u wonder a lil? we didnt want him and he is starting for the jets?

They have a MUCH higher opinion of how he played for the Bills than Bills fans and the Buffalo media do. MUCH higher...

[Luisito23]

So who do we go with right now??..someone who we can all agree on..



GO BILLS!!!!!!

[Jersey1031]

Perfect commercial for Leinart, wearing Raider Black and all...

[Jersey1031]

So who do we go with right now??..someone who we can all agree on..

Huff

[SquishDaFish]

Trade down and take winston justice.

[Jersey1031]

Vernon Davis about to be drafted by Niners...

[LifetimeBillsFan]

So who do we go with right now??..someone who we can all agree on..



GO BILLS!!!!!!

After reading all of the threads on that subject for the last three months, there's no one player that we can ALL agree on!!! There are a couple of people here who will never agree on the same guy no matter what!!

[Philagape]

49ers have VD

[Dr. Lecter]

Sorry Pat.

Put the gun down.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

SF takes DAVIS. As expected. Sorry, Pat....

[Jersey1031]

Vernon Davis about to be drafted by Niners...

BINGO!

[MikeInRoch]

I'd love to see Huff.

[G. Host]

Pat needs to go to street to get VD, SF has him.

[Topdog]

He's happy!

[Luisito23]

Good for him....I love that emotion, he's gonna be a great star for many years..!



GO BILLS!!!!!!

[Jersey1031]

Sorry Pat, it's HUFFY time!

[chernobylwraiths]

Time for the Bills to trade down and get more picks.

After Oakland picks that is.

[Jersey1031]

Bad news for Vince, last two QB';s taken at 3...Akili Smith & Joey Harrington!

[Jersey1031]

We're on deck people!

HUFF to BUFF

[Ed]

if we stay at 8 I'd be happy with Bunkley or Huff at this point. Ideally, I think I'd like to see us trade down a few spots and still grab Bunkley.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Bad news for Vince, last two QB';s taken at 3...Akili Smith & Joey Harrington!

UGH!!! If I were him, I'd hire a witch doctor or something to break the spell....

[Jersey1031]

if we stay at 8 I'd be happy with Bunkley or Huff at this point. Ideally, I think I'd like to see us trade down a few spots and still grab Bunkley.

With some extra draft picks too...If we trade down that is.

[chernobylwraiths]

If Oakland picks a QB, then St Louis will give away the house to get at the other QB IMO so that they can get above Arizona.

[Philagape]

If we can't trade down, Bunkley would still be a good pick

[Jersey1031]

UGH!!! If I were him, I'd hire a witch doctor or something to break the spell....


Witch Doctor?!?!? What! Ha...

[chernobylwraiths]

If we can't trade down, Bunkley would still be a good pick

True, but I would be OK with Justice, Ngatta, Bunkley, whoever at 11.

[Romes]

Buffalo on the clock!!

[chernobylwraiths]

I also still see the Jets trying to get a trade together with NO, although they have to like that the Jets fans there liked getting Ferguson.

[Jersey1031]

Damn!!!!!!!!!!

[LABillsFan]

Now what?

[MarvLevy]

take leinart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MarvLevy]

take leinart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Luisito23]

:curse: :curse:...


GO BILLS!!!!!!

[chernobylwraiths]

Two QBs still on the board. TRADE DOWN IF WE CAN!

[G. Host]

There goes Huff. :bye: OaklandRaider will be happy, I think

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Witch Doctor?!?!? What! Ha...

Yeah, I just saw a story on one of the sports channels that reported that the FIFA committee running the World Cup in Germany brought in a witch doctor/shaman from South America (Peru, I believe) to drive any evil spirits from the stadium that will host the World Cup final game. They even showed video of him doing his ritual in the stadium.

DAMN! Raiders take Huff.

[Philagape]

True, but I would be OK with Justice, Ngatta, Bunkley, whoever at 11.

A trade down would be good, but it takes two teams to agree. So I'm pre-empting any whining if we take Bunkley at 8. He's not a reach there.

[Jersey1031]

We're trading down, without a doubt...

[LtFinFan66]

What do you guys do now??

[Saratoga Slim]

I'm rootin for a trade down too. without Hawk/Brick/Davis/Huff on the board, I am really not that excited about #8.

[Ed]

I love the draft. If anyone would have said at any point this offseason that Leinart would still be on the board when we pick, they would have been accused of smoking crack.

I'm guessing we trade and come out with some really good picks.

[Jersey1031]

Chris Berman and cabdriver talk...?

[Romes]

haha...commerical who called it?

[MikeInRoch]

Anyone care to guess how much money that last year in college cost Leinart?

[chernobylwraiths]

Ha ha, cab driver coming. Trade down. St. Louis will have its pick of whoever they want Leinert and Cuttler.

[Jersey1031]

I love the draft. If anyone would have said at any point this offseason that Leinart would still be on the board when we pick, they would have been accused of smoking crack.

I'm guessing we trade and come out with some really good picks.

We're drafting Bing in the 2nd...

[Luisito23]

We won't trade...


GO BILLS!!!!!!

[Philagape]

Leinart and Cutler still being there means less demand for our pick.

[chernobylwraiths]

Anyone care to guess how much money that last year in college cost Leinart?

Well, the longer he waits to go, the more money he loses, but he also ends up going to a better team.

[chernobylwraiths]

Leinart and Cutler still being there means less demand for our pick.

Yes, but if a team has a want for one, they don't know who will be left.

[MarvLevy]

We're drafting Bing in the 2nd...

sure hope so

[LifetimeBillsFan]

What do you guys do now??

Good question. Depends on if a team really wants to trade up for Leinart. Or, if Philly wants one of the DTs bad enough to make it worth our while to pass on Ngata and Bunkley to get the extra picks. Bunkley is probably our fall-back position if the Bills can't make a deal here. Having only one QB go in the top 7 hurts the Bills' leverage....

[Jersey1031]

Anyone care to guess how much money that last year in college cost Leinart?

A lot. Enough said...

[Philagape]

Eagles and Broncos interested .....

[Jersey1031]

Philly and Denver want our pick!

[MarvLevy]

yes...we will trade.. not w/ denver i hope tho..

[LifetimeBillsFan]

WOW, Palantonio says Denver may be interested in trading up to get Leinart....!

[chernobylwraiths]

Viking would be interested too.

[Topdog]

Vikes could use a QB, maybe they'll trade up?

[Jersey1031]

Eagles and Broncos interested .....


We better get at least a 2nd rounder...

[Jersey1031]

Viking would be interested too.


Too far down...

[Luisito23]

Probably Bunkley...


GO BILLS!!!!!!

[LifetimeBillsFan]

That has to make four teams very interested in our pick: Minny who wants Cutler, Denver who wants Leinart, Philly who wants Bunkley, and St.Louis, who has to be concerned that, if we trade down, they will lose out on a QB if Arizona takes the third of the "Big Three". That's the kind of leverage the Bills need to get some competition going and up the price for their pick. Let's hope that the price gets high!!!

[MarvLevy]

philly is 14..

[LifetimeBillsFan]

UH-OH!!!

[MarvLevy]

curve ball! yess!

[Jersey1031]

Bills pick Whitner?!?!

[Philagape]

OMG

[Luisito23]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

[LifetimeBillsFan]

The Bills take Donte Whitner!!!

I called it yesterday, fellas....

[MarvLevy]

are u kidding????????????????????????????

[chernobylwraiths]

WHAT???!!!

[Hounds]

wtf

[Gunzlingr]

Is that mike guy still smoking crack :ill:

[Mr. Pink]

Donte Whitner? WHOA!

[LtFinFan66]

Buckeye baby! Didn't see that coming!!

[MarvLevy]

i am embarrassed!!!!!!!!!!!

[Topdog]

:shakeno:

[chernobylwraiths]

AND WE COULDN'T TRADE DOWN FOR THAT???!!!

[Luisito23]

Garbage

[Hounds]

wtf!

[MarvLevy]

what a waste..we shoulda just took a QB

[Ed]

We have two teams interested in trading with us and we pick a guy that more then likely still would have been around 3-8 picks later??????

[Philagape]

Now that IS a reach

[slakjaw157]

WTFFFFFFFFF!!!!

[slakjaw157]

WTFFFFFFFFF!!!!

[Jersey1031]

AND WE COULDN'T TRADE DOWN FOR THAT???!!!


Yes we should have, we are idiots. We could have gotten him more than 10 picks later...But we missed out on more picks there...

[dannyek71]

someone pinch me...we have lienhart still on the board and we take this no named freak.....

Cost saving pick, this guy wont cost as much as it would to pay a higher rated guy........

[Philagape]

This sucks. We could have gotten a stud DT who fills a HUGE need and fits our system

[Nublar7]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Levy proves again that the game of football has passed him by. Wow, what a reach! Whitner would have been there in the late teens early 20's. Sad day to be a Bills fan. :lol:

[Hounds]

I dont care what we were getting offered we should have traded down

[Akhippo]

Your right, we could have taken a bag of chips to trade down and still gotten this guy. At least he'll get alot of tackles since the backs will be hitting the second level consistently.

[Tinboy]

Didn't he had a very good combine? Maybe Levysaw something there...

[LifetimeBillsFan]

This is not as big a surprise as it may seem.

I've posted this a couple of times recently: there were reports that the Bills really were impressed by Whitner when they interviewed him at the Combine and he told ESPN that he really loved them after he talked with them. The Bills have done really well with Ohio State DBs in recent years and Whitner put up excellent numbers at the Combine and at Ohio State. Also, Whitner is an excellent fit for the Cover 2.

I would have liked to see the Bills trade down a little, pick up a pick, and still get Whitner, but they could not go down lower than Miami who was also very interested in him. I'm a little surprised that the Bills didn't go with a DT, but it seemed that there was something that came up in the last couple of days that turned them off on Bunkley and Ngata, so maybe they didn't think those guys were worth that high of a pick. Now they will have to get their DTs later on in the draft or in free agency. Second round is a possible starting point.

[dannyek71]

someone pinch me...we have lienhart still on the board and we take this no named freak.....

Cost saving pick, this guy wont cost as much as it would to pay a higher rated guy........

[ryjam282]

I don't know much about this guy as we all had been concentrating on other guys leading up to this point. At least we won't have Coy Wire at SS this season. I have to do some research on him before making my comments but I will say this. There are plenty of DT's available in the draft this year that can be pretty damn good. So, if Marv had him as the 2nd best safety on the board and the next best DT could be had in the 2nd then I like it....We shall see.

[ryjam282]

I don't know much about this guy as we all had been concentrating on other guys leading up to this point. At least we won't have Coy Wire at SS this season. I have to do some research on him before making my comments but I will say this. There are plenty of DT's available in the draft this year that can be pretty damn good. So, if Marv had him as the 2nd best safety on the board and the next best DT could be had in the 2nd then I like it....We shall see.

[Jersey1031]

someone pinch me...we have lienhart still on the board and we take this no named freak.....

Cost saving pick, this guy wont cost as much as it would to pay a higher rated guy........


No, he'll want to get paid like the 8th pick...

[Mad Bomber]

Great pick.

We'll get plenty of chances to watch Whitner tackle running backs 8-10 yards past the line of scrimmage.

[OpIv37]

someone pinch me...we have lienhart still on the board and we take this no named freak.....

Cost saving pick, this guy wont cost as much as it would to pay a higher rated guy........

leinart would have been just as stupid of a pick.

[Hounds]

the rams just did what buffalo should have done

[SquishDaFish]

I agree OP

[SquishDaFish]

Maybe they were trying to Hounds. Were you on the phone listening??

[Jersey1031]

the rams just did what buffalo should have done

What Buffalo should have done is draft Whitner later in the 1st round after we got another 2nd or other picks, cause he would have still been there!!

[SquishDaFish]

Maybe they tried to trade but couldnt get anything. If there was only 1 QB there then im sure we would of traded down. But seeing 2 there people were waiting.

[chernobylwraiths]

Maybe they tried to trade but couldnt get anything. If there was only 1 QB there then im sure we would of traded down. But seeing 2 there people were waiting.

Is this Tom or Marv?

[Hounds]

even if the bills could have gotten only a 4th round pick on a trade down with denver and they would have still gotten the player they got

[feelthepain]

Some might not be happy about Whitner, but I think he's a solid pick, could've been better, could've been worse.

[Hounds]

all i know id the billszone draft guide has whitner as good value in the 3rd round not at pick 8 in the first round

[jmb1099]

Happens every draft. At least we didn't take a qb or a receiver. We do have a very big need on line but we also have a very big need in the secondary. This now looks like Clements is on the trading block and who knows what this means.

[chernobylwraiths]

Some might not be happy about Whitner, but I think he's a solid pick, could've been better, could've been worse.

Sure he might be a solid pick, but would anyone have picked him this high? I guess MAYBE Detroit since Huff was gone. Personally, I think Marv and Co. panicked when Oakland picked Huff.

[feelthepain]

all i know id the billszone draft guide has whitner as good value in the 3rd round not at pick 8 in the first round

I've seen Whiter rated as a mid first rd pick so I don't think the bills reached to much.

[chernobylwraiths]

Wow, I think I hear crickets. I guess a lot of people were disgusted with our pick.

[Hounds]

i dont have a problem with taking him I have a problem with taking him that high

[Jersey1031]

Wow, I think I hear crickets. I guess a lot of people were disgusted with our pick.

Absolutely, he's 5'10''...He better be damn good.

[jmb1099]

As someone already said, we each get our sights set on who we think it should be then get pissed when the pick doesn't match our choice. Whitners not a bad choice, its a suprising choice because we haven't heard much about him. we were all so focused on Ngata, Bunkley, Dbrick, Huff and Davis that we just never gave this guy a serious look. We will still address the lines.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

As someone already said, we each get our sights set on who we think it should be then get pissed when the pick doesn't match our choice. Whitners not a bad choice, its a suprising choice because we haven't heard much about him. we were all so focused on Ngata, Bunkley, Dbrick, Huff and Davis that we just never gave this guy a serious look. We will still address the lines.

Absolutely. Whitner shouldn't have been as much of surprise as he was, but a lot of people just don't want to hear that there could be alternatives to the guys that they have fallen in love with. Whitner has been very productive and is very versatile and a good fit in the defense that they are running.

[Jersey1031]

Absolutely. Whitner shouldn't have been as much of surprise as he was, but a lot of people just don't want to hear that there could be alternatives to the guys that they have fallen in love with. Whitner has been very productive and is very versatile and a good fit in the defense that they are running.


But we could have gotten him later in the draft and could have been compensated for moving down, that is the point...

[jmb1099]

But we could have gotten him later in the draft and could have been compensated for moving down, that is the point...
Maybe, maybe not. I was flipping back and forth between both channels being very angry, but I started to lighten up just a bit when I heard guys from both stations giving Whitner props, alot of props. Hard hitter, extremely versatile, great eye for the ball, very quick, very smart. Could have possibly been a sleeper for a couple of teams, no way to know how the conversations on the phone played out for trades either. Just no way to know yet.

[Jersey1031]

Okay, so lets talk about the 2nd pick...

[BambinoSux]

Wow, good thing Philly didn't trade with us huh? Both guys they wanted are still on the board. Also Denver didn't trade until Leinart was off the board. I'm not endorsing the pick of Whitner, but you gotta understand that it takes two to tango.

[jmb1099]

Okay, so lets talk about the 2nd pick...
Excellent idea...
Who do you think will be left to grab for the line situation?

[Jersey1031]

Rodrique Wright at DT, Tamba Hali at DE maybe if he's still there...

[LifetimeBillsFan]

But we could have gotten him later in the draft and could have been compensated for moving down, that is the point...

It's easy to say, "make this trade" or "we should make that trade", but in the real world of the NFL that's a lot harder to do than most fans think. It can be hard to find a partner that will give you what you want for the risk you may have to run to get a player. If St.Louis was not willing to trade up and Philly--which is notorious for not wanting to give up draft picks--was not offering much, it would have been hard for the Bills to trade down and be assured that they could get Whitner.

What a lot of people are discounting is that there were reports recently that Miami was really hot for Whitner. With that in the wind, the Bills could not afford to drop below Miami or tip their hand and let Miami jump ahead of them if they wanted Whitner that badly. From the reports I read from the Combine, the Bills really liked Whitner a lot and he really liked them--that usually makes for a good combination--so the Bills may have decided that he was going to be their man when they started to sour on Bunkley (and they did seem to sour on him at some point this week--I don't know why, but it was reported that they weren't as high on them as a lot of people thought).

[Jersey1031]

Florida State is killing this draft huh? 3 guys gone already...

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Wow, good thing Philly didn't trade with us huh? Both guys they wanted are still on the board. Also Denver didn't trade until Leinart was off the board. I'm not endorsing the pick of Whitner, but you gotta understand that it takes two to tango.

Thank you!!! That's what I've been trying to say for a long time. You said it better than I could.

[chernobylwraiths]

Denver moved up to get a QB. I wonder how much they gave up to move up 4 spots. I also heard that they we offering a trade to Buffalo. I heard that Philly was offering Buffalo earlier in the week to move up. We will never know what could have been. Some of the best offers I ever heard were offers that we turned down. Second pick overall for Rob Johnson after we got him from Jacksonville. Of course we might have drafted Leaf then.

[Jersey1031]

Denver gave up a 3rd rounder to move up four spots...

[jmb1099]

Rodrique Wright at DT, Tamba Hali at DE maybe if he's still there...

Ok, my fingers are crossed. Lets hope this works out. If so we will be in pretty decent shape. Either of these guys would be a nice addition.

[Jersey1031]

Some of the best offers I ever heard were offers that we turned down. Second pick overall for Rob Johnson after we got him from Jacksonville. Of course we might have drafted Leaf then.


Or Peyton Manning...

[dannyek71]

those crickets that you hear are the empy seats at the ralph

[Jersey1031]

So who's Miami taking...?

[LifetimeBillsFan]

The thing a lot of people are forgetting is that Detroit was projected to take Huff, if he got past Oakland and Buffalo, and they may have gone with Whitner rather than the LB. The Bills could not be certain that they would get their man if they dropped past Detroit. Miami was also a factor because they were reportedly very hot on Whitner as well.

The Bills may have figured that Bunkley or Ngata would not have been worth losing out on Whitner and picking up a third round pick. The teams that they were talking to might not have been willing to give up a second round pick.

As someone else said, there are still a lot of good players out there. The Bills have filled one of their needs with a guy who they really love and who fits their system. Now we will have to see what they do later on.

[Jersey1031]

Miami picks...Jason Allen

[chernobylwraiths]

The thing a lot of people are forgetting is that Detroit was projected to take Huff, if he got past Oakland and Buffalo, and they may have gone with Whitner rather than the LB. The Bills could not be certain that they would get their man if they dropped past Detroit. Miami was also a factor because they were reportedly very hot on Whitner as well.

The Bills may have figured that Bunkley or Ngata would not have been worth losing out on Whitner and picking up a third round pick. The teams that they were talking to might not have been willing to give up a second round pick.

As someone else said, there are still a lot of good players out there. The Bills have filled one of their needs with a guy who they really love and who fits their system. Now we will have to see what they do later on.

Well, if they lost out on their man, at least they would have an extra first day pick AND some good players still available.

God, I hope this guy is another Ed Reed.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Or Peyton Manning...

Goes to show that you don't know who's going to still be on the board when you make a trade before you are on the clock.

The fact that only one QB went in the first 7 picks of this draft really changed the dynamics of the first round and what the Bills could do or get for their pick. I can see how that may have forced the Bills to take Whitner a little before maybe even they wanted to because they did not want to risk losing out on him if they traded down.

[Jersey1031]

God, I hope this guy is another Ed Reed.


Amen...

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Well, if they lost out on their man, at least they would have an extra first day pick AND some good players still available.

God, I hope this guy is another Ed Reed.

But, they may not feel that those other guys--specifically the DTs--and the extra pick would have been worth having to go with what they would have considered to be a lesser safety.

Just like some of us fans were extremely high on certain players and would not risk passing up on a particular player for anything--for various reasons--they may have been very high on Whitner for certain reasons that we may not be aware of. All I know is that there were reports that they were very high on Whitner and were very impressed with him after they interviewed him at the Combine, where he performed very well.

I don't think you can expect a guy to be Ed Reed just because they picked him there instead of a few picks lower--because Whitner does fill a need. But, I do agree that he does need to prove to be a very good player who fills that need well.

[Jersey1031]

The Boys pick Bobby Capenter, good pick...

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Carpenter was projected to go later to perhaps the NY Giants or even slip into the second round, yet do I hear anyone screaming about them reaching with this pick like they are about the Bills taking Whitner?

[Jersey1031]

Florida State is killing this draft huh? 3 guys gone already...

Florida State is killing this draft...4 guys gone. All defense, why weren't they good as hell last year...?

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Florida State is killing this draft...4 guys gone. All defense, why weren't they good as hell last year...?

Good question, huh!

Meanwhile, Ohio State had a much better defense the last couple of years and two of the three players who've been picked off of that defense were drafted higher than expected. I wonder why that might be? (sarcasm) Still some will consider those picks to be reaches....

[hydro]

The Florida State players all are potential. They look good on paper.

[hydro]

Carpenter was projected to go later to perhaps the NY Giants or even slip into the second round, yet do I hear anyone screaming about them reaching with this pick like they are about the Bills taking Whitner?

Gimme a break, who cares if they reached for Carpenter... it doesn't have any effect on the Bills.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Gimme a break, who cares if they reached for Carpenter... it doesn't have any effect on the Bills.

A lot of pre-draft reviews, including Pat Moran's, had Whitner compared to Mike Doss. If he turns out to be a healthy Mike Doss, would you be happy? Would you consider him a reach?

The guy was a versatile playmaker who was always around the ball for a pretty good college defense. If he plays like that for the Bills, who cares whether they drafted him with the # 8 pick or the # 11 or # 14 pick? Why don't we wait to see this kid play before we start screaming that this pick sucks and go looking to tar-and-feather Marv Levy? We don't even know who else the Bills are going to take in this draft and everyone is going nuts here.

Let me remind everyone who now expect this kid to be the next Ed Reed because the Bills used the # 8 pick to get him that Reed was taken much later in the first round and ended up being a lot better than players who were taken 5-6 picks before him. Do you think there are some teams that wish that they could redo their pick in that draft and take that safety from Miami that they passed on for the higher rated player that they took?

[hydro]

A lot of pre-draft reviews, including Pat Moran's, had Whitner compared to Mike Doss. If he turns out to be a healthy Mike Doss, would you be happy? Would you consider him a reach?

The guy was a versatile playmaker who was always around the ball for a pretty good college defense. If he plays like that for the Bills, who cares whether they drafted him with the # 8 pick or the # 11 or # 14 pick? Why don't we wait to see this kid play before we start screaming that this pick sucks and go looking to tar-and-feather Marv Levy? We don't even know who else the Bills are going to take in this draft and everyone is going nuts here.

Let me remind everyone who now expect this kid to be the next Ed Reed because the Bills used the # 8 pick to get him that Reed was taken much later in the first round and ended up being a lot better than players who were taken 5-6 picks before him. Do you think there are some teams that wish that they could redo their pick in that draft and take that safety from Miami that they passed on for the higher rated player that they took?
I in no way attacked our pick. Im sick of people trying to make our pick seem so much better. Just because Carpenter was a reach by Dallas shouldn't make us feel better reaching for Whitner.

It seems there are a lot of teams reaching for players this year. So we aren't the only one, but in the end i just want the Bills to be better, and if we could have traded down then thats what should have happened

[Jersey1031]

You don't think the unthinkable will happen and the Bills take a WR, because not one has been taken yet...

[LifetimeBillsFan]

You don't think the unthinkable will happen and the Bills take a WR, because not one has been taken yet...

I really like Holmes, but this is a really weak WR class and, with the WRs the Bills have, I don't think any of the guys that will be there will be any less of a question-mark than the guys that the Bills already have. I think that they will go for linemen now that they have gotten their safety.

[Jersey1031]

I really like Holmes, but this is a really weak WR class and, with the WRs the Bills have, I don't think any of the guys that will be there will be any less of a question-mark than the guys that the Bills already have. I think that they will go for linemen now that they have gotten their safety.

At this point, I want some quality talent.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

WoW, The Steelers trade up!!!

[Jersey1031]

Why the hell did the Giants move down?!?!

The Super Bowl Champions just got better...

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Steelers replace Randle-El with Santonio Holmes. Nice move by them.

[Jersey1031]

I wonder how much the Steelers gave up...

[Jersey1031]

The last picks of the 3rd and 4th to move down 7...

[MikeInRoch]

Buffalo is on the clock!

[chernobylwraiths]

Carpenter was projected to go later to perhaps the NY Giants or even slip into the second round, yet do I hear anyone screaming about them reaching with this pick like they are about the Bills taking Whitner?

No offense LBF, but if you heard anything it would be laughing. This being a Bills board, you have to expect the whining. But I know you are an intelligent guy and already know this.

I also hope that I am as proven wrong about the pick as I was wrong about how the Sabres would perform this year.