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  • Saratoga Slim
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    • Jul 2005
    • 4154

    The Official "This Draft is Fine" Thread

    I have the following observations, and think that these elements are driving OBD's draft plan:

    1. We are drafting for need, not purely BPA. It's obvious OBD is trying to fill our weakest positions (DT, S, LT?), maybe to win sooner. We are leaving guys with great talent at other positions on the board to fill our needs.

    2. Character is playing a HUGE role in our selections (and other teams' as well. justice and Jimmy Williams free-fell, and Wroten is still on the board). I'm okay with that. I'm getting really tired of guys like Nate and Willis. I want guys without egos, who want to work hard for the TEAM, and love the game. I think that's going to be the common thread in this draft, as Marv alluded it would be. If we sacrifice a little on the talent side but make it up in attitude, (i.e. McCargo instead of Wroten), fine by me.

    3. The Bills have a short list of guys they want at the need positions, and are doing what they need to do to make sure those few don't get away.

    a. DT was a huge priority for OBD, but at #8, the Bills didn't see a guy they liked. Perhaps Ngata didnt fit the system, and perhaps Bunkley's character issues scared them off. For whatever reason, OBD didn't view either of those prospects worthy of the #8 pick.

    However, they rightfully understood that we needed a top DT talent, and decided that based upon their evaluations, which included character/drive, there was a huge drop off after McCargo (note that no one has taken Wroten or Wright yet). Thus, Marv moved back up into #26 to make sure that the Bills got out of this draft with a DT prospect that they felt comfortable with.

    Note that Pitt traded their #32 pick, who knows, maybe they were eyeing McCargo too. Parhaps 26 was a little high for McCargo, but perhaps he would have been gone at #42. I'm not happy about losing the #73 pick, but I'll say it was worthwhile to make sure we got a DT that OBD thinks will get the job done within their system.

    b. There was no LT that theyfelt worth the #8. Look where Justice ended up going.

    c. With no DT or LT that they liked at #8, Marv focused on Safety. They obviously really liked Whitner, and had him rated very highly, probably close to where he was picked.

    Perhaps Denver or Philly did offer a trade. But Marv didn't want to trade down to 14/15 and be stuck with no DT, S, or LT prospect available that they felt was worth the 15th pick. Thus, whatever Philly and Denver was offering wasnt enough to justify that risk. Why accept a, say, 3rd round pick if it screws you out of getting the first-round talent you want at a need position.

    There's at least an even chance that Marv was right. Detroit or St. Louis may very well have grabbed Whitner, and Bunkley/Ngata may also have been gone (as indeed they were). So Marv played it safe, and took Whitner a mere 5 slots higher than Mel Kiper had him ranked. A reach, maybe, but a calculated reach.

    4. The draft ain't over yet.

    I was not a happy camper earlier today, but am starting to warm up to our picks, and at the very least, think I understand the logic behind them. I'm not going to be an apologist for the front office, but I think this might actually be a pretty well-thought out draft. They do have a plan, and they are sticking too it. Let's see how it plays out.
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  • OpIv37
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    • Sep 2002
    • 101230

    #2
    Re: The Official "This Draft is Fine" Thread

    you people are ****ing impossible.

    When I was *****ing about marv a few months ago, it was "give him a chance, there's always the draft"

    well now he ****ed up the draft and everyone's like "things will be fine"

    take off the red-and-blue tinted glasses please.
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    • OpIv37
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      • Sep 2002
      • 101230

      #3
      Re: The Official "This Draft is Fine" Thread

      and if we're drafting for need, where's the OL help?
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      • Saratoga Slim
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        • Jul 2005
        • 4154

        #4
        Re: The Official "This Draft is Fine" Thread

        Originally posted by OpIv37
        and if we're drafting for need, where's the OL help?
        it went to Houston with the first two picks of the 2nd round. dammit, I really wanted to see Charles Spencer here.
        Wake up, brush your teeth, and get ready for a day of hating the Dolphins. Or the Pats? How to choose?

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        • BuffaloBillsStampede
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          • Aug 2005
          • 1230

          #5
          Re: The Official "This Draft is Fine" Thread

          well I guess I am wearing those same glasses because I feel pretty good, not great, about our picks today especially because three players I think we could use (Max Jean Gilles, Gabe Watson, and Rod Wright) have yet to be taken. Whether or not they are there in round four for us is to be seen, but the more I read about Whitner the more I like him, as long as McCargo stays healthy he sounds like a decent player with great quickness which is big for DT's in our system, and Youboty was a steal in the third as far as I am concerned. We needed another corner with or without Nate.
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          • BuffaloBillsStampede
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            • Aug 2005
            • 1230

            #6
            Re: The Official "This Draft is Fine" Thread

            I don't know how many times our nickel or dime corners got burned last year so I feel we did need another CB, maybe not as much as line help, but most of the quality line help is gone so I like th Youboty pick.
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            • hydro
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              • Oct 2005
              • 20160

              #7
              Re: The Official "This Draft is Fine" Thread

              Originally posted by Saratoga Slim
              it went to Houston with the first two picks of the 2nd round. dammit, I really wanted to see Charles Spencer here.
              You mean 3rd round
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              • OpIv37
                Acid Douching Asswipe
                • Sep 2002
                • 101230

                #8
                Re: The Official "This Draft is Fine" Thread

                I wouldn't cry over losing Nate but I doubt a 3rd rounder will be able to step in for him right away.

                McGee got toasted his first year at corner.
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                • LifetimeBillsFan
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                  • Aug 2004
                  • 4946

                  #9
                  Re: The Official "This Draft is Fine" Thread

                  I didn't have CB rated as that high of a need, either, but this puts a lot of pressure on Clements and provides the Bills with a replacement for him if the Bills decide that he is too expensive to keep or he gives them any problems with signing his tender. (He may yet be traded for a player or a pick in next year's draft--although I would rather see Youboty get a year of seasoning at the nickle spot). What Youboty adds, that the Bills did not have outside of Clements and Vincent (who also is likely to be gone next year) is he adds a little more size--McGee is small, so is Greer and King is even smaller, without Clements and Vincent, the Bills had no one who can cover a big WR.

                  I, too, am a little concerned that they have not addressed the offensive line yet, but the guys that I most wanted went very quickly at the end of the second round and with Houston's pick. There are still a couple of surprising and interesting possibilities remaining on the board, but I'm not saying anything about who I might want the Bills to take until it happens. I think McQuistan and, perhaps, Winston were the last two two guys that they would have gone for over Youboty with their third round pick if they were still there.
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                  • ParanoidAndroid
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                    • Apr 2004
                    • 16833

                    #10
                    Re: The Official "This Draft is Fine" Thread

                    Originally posted by OpIv37
                    you people are ****ing impossible.

                    When I was *****ing about marv a few months ago, it was "give him a chance, there's always the draft"

                    well now he ****ed up the draft and everyone's like "things will be fine"

                    take off the red-and-blue tinted glasses please.
                    Op....I like you and everything but please let me know in a PM when you're done complaining so I can take you off ignore.

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                    • cablesabres68
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                      • Nov 2003
                      • 98

                      #11
                      Re: The Official "This Draft is Fine" Thread

                      we don't need help for the OL we have a good line in
                      Peters-Reyes-Fowler-Vilarial-Gibson which is the way i think it will play out. we have good depth in preston jerman mcfarland etc we could use more depth. i know when we had kelly with levy it seemed like we were about offense but it was all about defense first. that is what i think he is trying to imply now we went from 2nd to 29th in one year because of key losses such as pat williams, TKO to injury, Jennings, etc... but u guys aren't letting the bills front office do there job. day 2 is were superbowls are won anyways and we have 6 picks i think on day 2 so lets just say the 2 most hated words in bills history TOM BRADY 199 selection joe montana, and the bills best reciever in history Andre Reed from kutztown, PA so just shut up and let them do there job

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                      • Philagape
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                        • Jul 2002
                        • 19432

                        #12
                        Re: The Official "This Draft is Fine" Thread

                        As was said elsewhere, the ONLY way this draft is a success is if Whitner is the next Ed Reed.
                        And McCargo MUST be a stud impact player.

                        Anything short of that, and this draft sucks.
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                        • LifetimeBillsFan
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                          • Aug 2004
                          • 4946

                          #13
                          Re: The Official "This Draft is Fine" Thread

                          Originally posted by OpIv37
                          I wouldn't cry over losing Nate but I doubt a 3rd rounder will be able to step in for him right away.

                          McGee got toasted his first year at corner.
                          Most corners take a year to make the transition from college to the NFL, so it would be unreasonable to expect Youboty (or almost any of the DBs in this draft) to step in and be a consistently good starter as a rookie this year. With all of the CBs who went early in the draft last year, only a handful played even reasonably well. Miller and Webster, who went to the Jets and Giants and Routt, who went to Oakland, were awful when they were asked to start, but the first two did start to come on at the end of the season and are likely to be starters this season.
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                          • OpIv37
                            Acid Douching Asswipe
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 101230

                            #14
                            Re: The Official "This Draft is Fine" Thread

                            Originally posted by cablesabres68
                            we don't need help for the OL we have a good line in
                            Peters-Reyes-Fowler-Vilarial-Gibson which is the way i think it will play out. we have good depth in preston jerman mcfarland etc we could use more depth. i know when we had kelly with levy it seemed like we were about offense but it was all about defense first. that is what i think he is trying to imply now we went from 2nd to 29th in one year because of key losses such as pat williams, TKO to injury, Jennings, etc... but u guys aren't letting the bills front office do there job. day 2 is were superbowls are won anyways and we have 6 picks i think on day 2 so lets just say the 2 most hated words in bills history TOM BRADY 199 selection joe montana, and the bills best reciever in history Andre Reed from kutztown, PA so just shut up and let them do there job
                            Peters isn't ready for LT and Gibson may not even make the team. Right now it's

                            Gandy-Reyes-Fowler- Villarial-Peters.

                            Gandy is mediocre and Villiarial sucks. Reyes or Fowler go down to injury and we're actually WORSE than last year (or at least equally bad.

                            We've endured 10 years of losing. I'm not willing to shut up and let anyone do their job anymore. Marv has made too many questionable moves. You can accept mediocrity- I wont.
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                            • cablesabres68
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                              • Nov 2003
                              • 98

                              #15
                              Re: The Official "This Draft is Fine" Thread

                              what r u gonna do keep whining until they fire marv like everyone ran out donahue yes best move to get rid of him but ur not gonna change levy and staffs mind because u say so i think the got the players they wanted and filled the holes they thought they needed to fill so shutup cuz u don't have any right to be a bills fan if ur gonna ***** at every move they make and threaten not to be a bills fan oooh the bills don't need u to be a bills fan then

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