Check out the video of our new OT Brad Butler....

[Michael82]

I can't believe Marv drafted this piece of ****. :ill:

http://media.putfile.com/CheapShotUVa_Kiwi25

[The Spaz]

He's Jon Runyan...maybe.

[Crisis]

That's the same guy?

WTF.

[mikemac2001]

he did a decent job blocking :(

[The_Philster]

:wtf: :down:

[Michael82]

That's the same guy?

WTF.
Yup, thats the guy we drafted. :cynic:

[Captain gameboy]

Mikey. If you think he's a pos you are sadly mistaken.

There is a lot more to that story than the video. I saw that game and I read everything about it in the ensuing weeks. It was a very big deal here.

Whether or not he makes the team, Brad Butler is a great kid.

[mikemac2001]

hey we didnt see whole game it was a cheap shot but maybe kiwi took one on him we dont know that...

[Crisis]

I hope his ass gets cut.

I liked Marv's draft but this guy is just a POS.

[Michael82]

he did a decent job blocking :(
:rofl:

[Crisis]

What's the full story on it?

[Michael82]

Mikey. If you think he's a pos you are sadly mistaken.

There is a lot more to that story than the video. I saw that game and I read everything about it in the ensuing weeks. It was a very big deal here.

Whether or not he makes the team, Brad Butler is a great kid.
I remember all the posts here when that cheap shot happened. Everyone here was ripping him for it. It was uncalled for and the kid was suspended for 1 game for doing it. Many people thought he deserved more. yes, I don't live in Virginia, so i don't know the rest of the story...if u know more, please share with us and make us feel better. :up:

[Slim]

It's better than him hugging him or something.

[justasportsfan]

High motor. Obviously never gave up on that play :couch:

[Michael82]

High motor. Obviously never gave up on that play :couch:
:lmao: that is just wrong.

[patmoran2006]

A day one pick woulda been a lock, but a 5th rounder at tackle is anything but a lock to make the team. He's pure competition for our backups: Gibson, McFarland and Jermain. He'll have to outperform 2 of those 3 probably to make the team.

He'll likely head to the practice squad in '06, though u never know.

[justasportsfan]

Mikey. If you think he's a pos you are sadly mistaken.

There is a lot more to that story than the video. I saw that game and I read everything about it in the ensuing weeks. It was a very big deal here.

Whether or not he makes the team, Brad Butler is a great kid. I'd appreciate it if you tell us what happened there.

[ryjam282]

If you look at the video, look at his reaction before he does the low block. Looks like Kiwi grabbed or pushed him in the "package". His reactions shows as though something was done to him and it was a reaction. One play doesn't give the story on a guy. If he was keeping Kiwi in check all day maybe they were just jawing and Kiwi went for his "package" and he reacted. I have nothing against that. In fact, I like a guy with that kind of mean streak. He isn't going to take any crap from nobody.

[patmoran2006]

and I've seen that video 1,000 times but forgot it was butler who did that.

There's no place in football for that.

[Michael82]

If you look at the video, look at his reaction before he does the low block. Looks like Kiwi grabbed or pushed him in the "package". His reactions shows as though something was done to him and it was a reaction. One play doesn't give the story on a guy. If he was keeping Kiwi in check all day maybe they were just jawing and Kiwi went for his "package" and he reacted. I have nothing against that. In fact, I like a guy with that kind of mean streak. He isn't going to take any crap from nobody.
Hopefully he'll do a cheap shot against Jason Taylor or Richard Seymour. :snicker:


:jk:

[Crisis]

Hopefully he'll do a cheap shot against Jason Taylor or Richard Seymour. :snicker:


:jk:

Well, we know JT will try and grab his package so the odds are in his favor.

[Pride]

That pretty much throws the homer's arguments of "We are drafting high character guys" out the window...

You know its sad when EVERY damn draft pick Marv has made can be questioned... whether it be for where we took a guy, who we took, or the character of someone we took. IMO Marv F'ed up this draft...

[Captain gameboy]

First, it was a horrible cheap shot, and Butler was almost in tears after the game about it.
Preceeding the game, all week long the meida was hyping Mathias Kiwanuka. Because of that, I watched him very closely. Evidently, Kiwanuka was trash talking the entire game, and way, way more than normal, and was awfully late on a few plays.
The other lineman said it was unbelievable.
Anyway that play was away, and Butler tried to cut him. The refs never saw it, so no flag, though it was flagrant. Musburger went crazy.

The rest of the offensive line stated to a man that of all the players on the team, Butler was the least likely to go outside the lines while playing. He was probably the most liked guy on the team.
To a man, they came to his defense. He and Al Groh called and apologized.
Butler was suspended for the Florida state game.

Anyway, there is no doubt it was horrible, but it is the only thing that kid has ever done like that. He is extremely bright and an incredibly hard worker.

He is a great kid.

[Slim]

First, it was a horrible cheap shot, and Butler was almost in tears after the game about it.
Preceeding the game, all week long the meida was hyping Mathias Kiwanuka. Because of that, I watched him very closely. Evidently, Kiwanuka was trash talking the entire game, and way, way more than normal, and was awfully late on a few plays.
The other lineman said it was unbelievable.
Anyway that play was away, and Butler tried to cut him. The refs never saw it, so no flag, though it was flagrant. Musburger went crazy.

The rest of the offensive line stated to a man that of all the players on the team, Butler was the least likely to go outside the lines while playing. He was probably the most liked guy on the team.
To a man, they came to his defense. He and Al Groh called and apologized.
Butler was suspended for the Florida state game.

Anyway, there is no doubt it was horrible, but it is the only thing that kid has ever done like that. He is extremely bright and an incredibley hard worker.

He is a great kid.

Everybody losses it sometimes...

[Pride]

You guys making excuses for the guy are big hypocrites! If this was a guy the dolphins selected, you'd be blasting the hell out of him for that illegal hit.

[The_Philster]

That pretty much throws the homer's arguments of "We are drafting high character guys" out the window...

You know its sad when EVERY damn draft pick Marv has made can be questioned... whether it be for where we took a guy, who we took, or the character of someone we took. IMO Marv F'ed up this draft...
Guess you posted this a couple minutes too soon...how's that foot taste?

[!Papacrunk!]

Believe me, I'm not just chipping in b/c I'm a Phins fan, but that was messed up. He could've ruined that guy's career with that immature crap.

:edit:

after re-reading some of the above posts, it was a horrible shot, but if he's learned from his mistake and is sorry about it, then he's a better person for it. I guess everyone deserves a 2nd chance, I should know. It may haunt him for a long time though--with himself and other players out there.

[Captain gameboy]

Everybody losses it sometimes...

I guarantee that when he gets up to WNY and gets asked about it, (and believe me- he knows its coming), you guys will understand it was a once in a lifetime thing. I honestly could not believe the support he got from his teammates. It was the top story here for a week.

As I said, he may not make the team, but this is one really good kid, and I am pretty certain that Marv , Brad and Al Groh have had that conversation.

[justasportsfan]

That pretty much throws the homer's arguments of "We are drafting high character guys" out the window...

You know its sad when EVERY damn draft pick Marv has made can be questioned... whether it be for where we took a guy, who we took, or the character of someone we took. IMO Marv F'ed up this draft...

While I am on the fnce with this draft since we won't know til' the games start , what amazes me is how people here b!tched and whined about Chambers catching for 200+ yds when the fins came back and burned our secondary in a 21 pt 4th qtr comeback with a back up qb and then b!tch and whine again when Marv drafts players to make sure it never happens again. :crazy:

[Michael82]

Believe me, I'm not just chipping in b/c I'm a Phins fan, but that was messed up. He could've ruined that guy's career with that immature crap.

:edit:

after re-reading some of the above posts, it was a horrible shot, but if he's learned from his mistake and is sorry about it, then he's a better person for it. I guess everyone deserves a 2nd chance, I should know. It may haunt him for a long time though--with himself and other players out there.
Good post! :clap:

[TigerJ]

I agree, cheap shot, inexcuseable regardles of what Kiwanuka did to provoke him, if anything. However, I don't believe in crucifying a player for one play, no matter who he plays for, if he takes responsibility for it and expresses genuine regret. He paid for it with a suspension. That's the end of it as far as I'm concerned.

[LtFinFan66]

Hopefully he'll do a cheap shot against Jason Taylor or Richard Seymour. :snicker:


:jk:oh yeah, thats classy:shakeno: Cheap shots normally end in injury so basicaly you are wishing injury on those guys. I am disappointed in you Mikey!

[Scumbag College]

Denver does that crap all the time.

[Captain gameboy]

By the way. Nobody is making excuses.
Certainly Butler didn't.
Just explaining the way the situation developed.

[jmb1099]

High motor. Obviously never gave up on that play :couch:
:roflmao:

[RedEyE]

I'm not making excuses for the guy. He flat out shouldn't have done it.

Gil Brandt said today that Butler would have been a LT anywhere else in the league, had he not been playing opposite to D'brickshaw. I love the pick and while he needs to work on his footwork, he has a nice extention that should keep defenses at bay.

[jmb1099]

Well, we know JT will try and grab his package so the odds are in his favor.
:roflmao:

[GarnOFreak]

againsy taylor or seymour, just not against schobel in practice okay?

j/k...lol

[LtBillsFan66]

Looked like a clean hit to me. ;)

[camelcowboy]

I guess its better to have him on our roster then a team we play against ::worry:

[Michael82]

oh yeah, thats classy:shakeno: Cheap shots normally end in injury so basicaly you are wishing injury on those guys. I am disappointed in you Mikey!
I said I was :jk:


:calm:

[The_Philster]

Looked like a clean hit to me. ;)
why does that surprise me considering the source? :scratch:

[Bert102176]

hey a guy on our OL with some balls

[Bert102176]

don't agree with him doing that

[Tatonka]

Denver does that crap all the time.


i was just thinking the same thing! :rofl:

the scouting report on the guy said he had a very nasty mean streak.. i guess it is a "end your career" kind of mean streak..

i personally dont care.. as long has he keeps the qb safe, blocks his guy, and doesnt get a penalty.. i could give a crap.

:up:

[Bert102176]

really as long as he does what Tatonka said hell he's cool with me

[Captain gameboy]

The minute Bills fans meet this guy, any questions about that incident will be over.
He does have a mean streak. In fact he wants to get into Virgina politics after the NFL.

[TedMock]

This is a f****n joke. The kid has been nothing but a model citizen his entire college career. ONE STUPID lapse in judgement does not make him a p.o.s. Talk about being hypicritical. So, you never lost your temper huh? It happens, especially on a football field. Ask ANY UVA FAN if he's a cheap shot artist, and they will tell you 'no.' Gimme a break with this. Typical for our fan base lately to just look for any bad in a new player. It was one play, people. Relax. Yet, so many well-wish Eric Moulds, and Travis Henry when they leave. I know, they were such classy humans. Sleeping with minors, spitting on people, illegit children, domestic abuse, drug suspensions, etc. Hey, at least they never through a cheap block. Now THAT would just be classless. Lighten up, folks. This has really gotten pathetic already.

[Captain gameboy]

Easy Ted.
I think everyones calmed down about it.

[Gunzlingr]

I seem to recall nobody liking Big Mike because is was too nice, I thought you would all be jumping for joy that we drafted a lineman that gets emotional and nasty.

[Dr. Lecter]

Since I am at home and on dial-up, can somebody describe exactly what happened? I'll watch it at work tomorrow if I get the chance.

[TedMock]

I apologize. I just feel that I'm one of the few who indeed liked this draft. I think it's very refreshing when compared to what we're accustomed to. Of course I just keep seeing the "experts" rip it apart, and I knew that our own fans would be just as bad. Now having gone through the board here, I'm pleasantly surprised with our overall reactions. I over reacted.

[STAMPY]

I respect that SPUNK that Attitude. Shows some aggrssion. We need that!

[Ingtar33]

Please... that happens once a game in the nfl.

John runyan made a career doing that and was called "gritty" or "tough nosed". The whole Denver o-line does that... every game.

You people are going nuts because you're ticked about the draft (understandably), however, your anger is being transposed onto a perfectly fine OL prospect.

Personally I was surprised Butler fell past the 3rd round.

[Michael82]

Please... that happens once a game in the nfl.

John runyan made a career doing that and was called "gritty" or "tough nosed". The whole Denver o-line does that... every game.

You people are going nuts because you're ticked about the draft (understandably), however, your anger is being transposed onto a perfectly fine OL prospect.

Personally I was surprised Butler fell past the 3rd round.
damn, sounds like another steal for the Bills.....

Youboty, Simpson, Butler, Williams

:clap:

[Dozerdog]

Since I am at home and on dial-up, can somebody describe exactly what happened? I'll watch it at work tomorrow if I get the chance.Basically, after a play when BC DE Kiwanuka was walking away, Butler went for his knees from behind.

Very blatant and unneccissary.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Show me more video or post more stories in regards to Butler taking cheap shots....

Good luck.

If anything it shows he needs to not let trash talkers get in his head.

Lesson learned....move on.

[Mr. Pink]

So much for that we only get guys with good character BS, eh?

[Turf]

I bet the other guy finally STFU.

I like him.

[The_Philster]

So much for that we only get guys with good character BS, eh?
might wanna take a look at more posts in the thread than just the first couple ;)

[realdealryan]

So what flew away from one of their helmets right before they separated? It looked like a mouthpiece. Kiwaaaaaahhhhatever was being a bit on the physical side and then got his left arm up under his jaw (smack, punch, pull the chin strap, whatever it was) and then something flew out of there. So obviously something happened and he reacted.

There can't really be any way to condone his actions, but he was a man about it and owned up to his f**kup. He apologized and we can be even more sure of what kind of high character he has.

That said- I'm just as glad as everyone else to see that we drafted a guy who is not a pushover. He has a breaking point and he will stand up to the s**ttalkers in the NFL. With this incident behind him, you can be damn sure he won't react like this again.

PS- he pretty much owned Kiarihpeauka on that play, and I'm not talking about the cheap shot.

[Michael82]

So what flew away from one of their helmets right before they separated? It looked like a mouthpiece. Kiwaaaaaahhhhatever was being a bit on the physical side and then got his left arm up under his jaw (smack, punch, pull the chin strap, whatever it was) and then something flew out of there. So obviously something happened and he reacted.

There can't really be any way to condone his actions, but he was a man about it and owned up to his f**kup. He apologized and we can be even more sure of what kind of high character he has.

That said- I'm just as glad as everyone else to see that we drafted a guy who is not a pushover. He has a breaking point and he will stand up to the s**ttalkers in the NFL. With this incident behind him, you can be damn sure he won't react like this again.

PS- he pretty much owned Kiarihpeauka on that play, and I'm not talking about the cheap shot.
Good post! :bf1:

[justasportsfan]

you changing your mind again Mikey?

[Michael82]

you changing your mind again Mikey?
:rolleyes:

In case you didn't notice, there was a lot of people that changed their minds once they got the facts. So get off my ****ing back about changing my mind.

[bigbub2352]

high charachter guy thats what we r looking for

[STAMPY]

Mikey you do flip flop alot. You are the John Kerry of Billszone. You overreact a lot

[SkapePhin]

A real winner there.. Only a trash organization would draft someone like that..

[Captain gameboy]

A real winner there.. Only a trash organization would draft someone like that..

Let me make this as clear as I can.

Only a moron with absolutely no knowlege of Brad Butler and his four years at UVA would make the statement you just made.

Waste your time somewhere else.

[mysticsoto]

Let me make this as clear as I can.

Only a moron with absolutely no knowlege of Brad Butler and his four years at UVA would make the statement you just made.

Waste your time somewhere else.

Hey Gameboy, I don't know this kid at all. What do you think are his positives and negatives as far as football skills? I'll take your word that other than that terrible lapse in judgement, he is a good kid...I don't think Marv would have drafted him otherwise.

[mush69]

I love it, reminds me of some of the old footage I've seen. Whatever happen to the clothesline, the head slap and the occasional take out the knee!

:beers:

All legal moves in my book and he was doing what was asked of him, protecting his QB.

[Captain gameboy]

First, he's very smart.
he interns for Larry Sabato. Anyone who follows politics closely is familiar with Sabato. He's always a guest on national news programs during elections.

On "the play."

This says it all about what kind of kid he is.

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/mcfarling/wb/wb/xp-35952

On his skills. He's a three year starter at right tackle in the ACC. That isn't a small accomplishment. UVA is coached by Al Groh, a guy who was not fired, but resigned as the Jets head coach to take the UVA job.
All the UVA players are coached in an NFL type system with huge expectations, and almost no tolerance for poor habits. As a result, I think they are a year or so ahead of a lot of other players on a maturity basis.
Groh always raved about him, but I always thought that was more a living up to expectations thing than an "Oh wow-he's dominant" situation.

Butler is very big, but he is a bit slow. When I was at the games, I always watched Brick, but I watched Butler near the end of the year more and more. Right now, he would have trouble with quick DE's, or reacting to stunts, but I think with his size, he will be a more than adequate run blocker.

I also never got the feeling he was done growing. He could change quite a bit in a year or two.
I know that isn't much. He kind of reminds me of a poor man's John Fina, but I think he will get better in the next two years as he grows into his frame.

[Dozerdog]

A real winner there.. Only a trash organization would draft someone like that..

Yeah- all the pregnant wife beating TEs were off the board.... :(

[THATHURMANATOR]

I love it!!! Keep it up Butler!!!!

[Captain gameboy]

I wonder if there will be any talk of moving him inside as he bulks up.

[SkapePhin]

All the homicidal RBs must have been off the board as well, eh?

[pintonick96]

Jesus, it's football. If you can't take the pain then stay the **** off the field. He hit a weak spot on his opponent. Your taught that in pee wees. Shut up already.

[Captain gameboy]

A real winner there.. Only a trash organization would draft someone like that..

Marcus "Handgun/Stompin" Vick is really helping you out here.

Could there have been a bigger slam to your nonsense post other than exhuming the remains of Jeff Dahmer and putting them in a Dolphin uni?

[dplus47]

All legal moves in my book and he was doing what was asked of him, protecting his QB.

protecting the QB between plays? i'm not about to crucify the guy for this one play, but it looked like that play was over already.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

I finally was able to see the video... it was a cheap shot. But to call the guy a pos on one play is wrong. what he did was wrong, but you cant judge the guy solely on one play.

[RingofFire]

I can't believe Marv drafted this piece of ****. :ill:

http://media.putfile.com/CheapShotUVa_Kiwi25

bump

[gr8slayer]

:bf1: good job Brad. We need more people like that on our team.

[Captain gameboy]

Three posts in this thread, including the political prediction.

I think I got it right-eh?