Re: Buffalo Bills’ 2022 rookie class shows promise
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Originally Posted by
ParanoidAndroid
We all knew that Tre wasn't going to be 100% at any point this year.
If he looks shaky next August, then it'll be time to worry.
No, we didn't.
If he wasn't going to be near 100%, he should've stayed on IR. He actually hurt the team by coming back and sucking.
Re: Buffalo Bills’ 2022 rookie class shows promise
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Originally Posted by
Forward_Lateral
No, we didn't.
If he wasn't going to be near 100%, he should've stayed on IR. He actually hurt the team by coming back and sucking.
Idk. Even Elam went down for a game I think. We needed warm bodies.
Re: Buffalo Bills’ 2022 rookie class shows promise
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Forward_Lateral
If he wasn't going to be near 100%, he should've stayed on IR. He actually hurt the team by coming back and sucking.
He was definitely targeted and taken advantage of.
Next season we should get our shutdown corner back.
Re: Buffalo Bills’ 2022 rookie class shows promise
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Forward_Lateral
No, we didn't.
If he wasn't going to be near 100%, he should've stayed on IR. He actually hurt the team by coming back and sucking.
:rolleyes:
It is pretty standard that players are less explosive coming off of ACL rehab. They almost always take a second off-season to get it all back.
Re: Buffalo Bills’ 2022 rookie class shows promise
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Originally Posted by
Forward_Lateral
No, we didn't.
If he wasn't going to be near 100%, he should've stayed on IR. He actually hurt the team by coming back and sucking.
Or, they hurt themselves by hurrying him back and throwing him in. Remember...there was some delay with him coming back, because people even started wondering if he was babying himself. It was the Bills who made impatient noises.
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I'm pretty happy with Cook, Elam, Shakir and Benford, but frustrated with their use.
Cook was on a pace twice for a 100 yard game and they stopped giving him the ball both times. On the other hand, there were games he couldn't get started and they kept giving him the ball. When a guy heats up, you stick with the hot hand and let him roll. He was drafted as a playmaker, they did nothing to get him the ball in space, no screens, few passes. The guy has speed, he's a mismatch waiting to happen every play. Then they get Hines, who is the same, and don't use him that way either. You can even throw them out wide to mess up a defense. But no.
Elam is huge, because he can play man and press along with zone. That gives them options. Did they often attempt to use that option ? No, they did not. They faced a weaker bunch of qbs where they could have gained him some exp, but again, no.
Benford is bang for the buck, and it would be great if safety is an option, he's got good size.
Shakir, again, there was no benefit to not playing him more with the way everyone was dropping balls. They brought back Beasley and Brown, like why were they not throwing to Shakir ?
Read somewhere earlier in the year, someone had said players can't get better through experience if they aren't playing. I think this also goes back to McDermott who is reluctant to trust young players and prefers him some old guys instead. He can't stay away from them.
Anyway, 4 promising players. Play them.
Re: Buffalo Bills’ 2022 rookie class shows promise
Of course Tre' wasn't going to be the same player this season coming off the injury, anybody that didn't know that should have. Has nothing to do with 'health' per se, even 100% healthy and able to play isn't going to translate to 100% of the level of performance we are used to seeing because the mental aspect of the game takes more time to catch up. And it's certainly a possibility that Tre' never returns to his prior form, that's a pretty devastating injury for a corner.
Re: Buffalo Bills’ 2022 rookie class shows promise
Elam doesn't fit our defensive scheme.
Cook is an average NFL RB
Shakir is a bottom of the roster NFL WR
Benford is a guy who was a healthy scratch at times
It's not a good draft looking at it right now but with how bad the drafts prior to it were, it definitely looks better.
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Elam can play zone or man, or press. You lost me that he doesn't fit the scheme. They actually played man 9 times last game because they could, and Burrow was 2-9 for 14 yards.
Re: Buffalo Bills’ 2022 rookie class shows promise
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Mace
Elam can play zone or man, or press. You lost me that he doesn't fit the scheme. They actually played man 9 times last game because they could, and Burrow was 2-9 for 14 yards.
Elam ..... I'd take him all over again.
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Woodman
Elam ..... I'd take him all over again.
Over Linderbaum?
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sahlensguy
Over Linderbaum?
They were stuck on CB I myself have been begging for the Center position.
They weren't going there and I don't know why so as far as CB goes I like Elam.
If I controlled the draft I'd have taken the Center.
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Woodman
They were stuck on CB I myself have been begging for the Center position.
They weren't going there and I don't know why so as far as CB goes I like Elam.
If I controlled the draft I'd have taken the Center.
Lindy would have been a big step in the right direction.
As it was, we traded up with the Ravens to get Elam. Essentially it was the rights for Lindrbaum and a 4th round pick for Elam.
Awful.
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sahlensguy
Lindy would have been a big step in the right direction.
As it was, we traded up with the Ravens to get Elam. Essentially it was the rights for Lindrbaum and a 4th round pick for Elam.
Awful.
I hated it then and now ..... just tossing the 4th away IMO.
We gotta get better at this draft thing for damn sure.
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Woodman
I hated it then and now ..... just tossing the 4th away IMO.
We gotta get better at this draft thing for damn sure.
Not to mention the 5th we gave away and drafted Cody Ford over Dalton Risner (UFA, so well see...), when we probably could have stayed pat. Beane did get a 5th back in trading Ford to the Cardinals though...
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sahlensguy
Not to mention the 5th we gave away and drafted Cody Ford over Dalton Risner (UFA, so well see...), when we probably could have stayed pat. Beane did get a 5th back in trading Ford to the Cardinals though...
I still haven't forgiven moving up to get Edmunds either.
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BuffaloBlitz83
I agree I like them all. I just don't see Pro Bowl ceiling on any of the 3. Maybe Cook can develop into that.
I saw two runs from him during the buttgals game that he was hoping to just drop.
No Sense of urgency....
Compare the energy to the rookie back last night fighting for their team.
Someone put valumm in the gatoraid
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The Bills took two bigger CB’s that are better in man coverage than zone. Benford moving to FS makes some sense, but I don’t yet see what the plan is with Elam. He’s not a great fit for our scheme and seemed to lose his spot after his injury before other injuries gave it back to him.
I think Cook could be a good part of a RB combo long-term and Shakir as a 3 or 4 WR provides decent depth and strong route running.
Overall not bad, but it doesn’t appear to be a generational class.
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sukie
Agreed on pro bowl and really who cares anyway? But Cook has hands. Imagine the prior Super Bowl runs without throwing to Thurman except every 3rd game. Dammit Dorsey!
Spread the wealth it works!!!!!!
Re: Buffalo Bills’ 2022 rookie class shows promise
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sahlensguy
Over Linderbaum?
They should have taken Humphrey instead of Basham the year before.
Elam will work well if they move on from Frazier and get rid of the back-off-and-let-them-get-the-first-down defense.